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Post by [--Leviathan--] on Nov 12, 2024 10:02:35 GMT
Well, according to this it is a guide to navigate the journey after death. Apparently you're meant to go towards the white light (Interesting as Im sure we've all heard of the white light in the Western sense), the absolute truth and recognize it as such. That if you dont immediately regard it as such that you go through a trial of sorts. Peaceful/happy images then monsters and that they are just illusions of your own mind/soul. If you still dont get it then you are reborn to try and reach enlightenment again, and eventually transcendence.
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Post by [--Leviathan--] on Nov 24, 2024 4:30:44 GMT
So I watched a longer version of this. That life is basically a test, that there are continuous transitional periods (including death) we can learn from and be born again. That we have mini deaths ie break ups, job loss or whatever. To live life with intention and compassion. To understand yourself, not to only react, but to truly understand why we do the things we do. To not be so attached to things and achieve a sense of peace. Carl Jung believed in a concept called archetypes. That is innate and within each of us, that it shapes our identity and mind. The major ones are the self, shadow, animus and the persona. It also manifests in stories throughout time. The hero, the guide/teacher, the joker/trickster etc. One will always be dominant in our personalities. Anyway, what are the origins of this? How far back does it go? If that is the case. Look at the ancient religions. Egyptian, Greek/Roman and Norse ones. Even religions today. Stories come from the mind after all Another thing, what’s to stop us from committing suicide if it is all just a continuous existence? Sure fear of the unknown, pain? A certain voice stopping you? There are no shortcuts imo. According to this you will most likely just be reborn, or maybe stay in an artificial heaven/hell of your own design. I find it interesting that some people would fear the light-sure the unknown, what the hell is going on, fear. As above, so below. Right now people, every day fear what’s good for them. Havent you had experiences where something might actually be good for you but you chose something else? Maybe the easier path, or in your mind, less hairy or messy. Or that you feel that you are not ready to face/confront yet for whatever reason I do think there is something greater. That there is also a goodness inside all of us but that we just need to listen to it. Call it whatever, your conscience, your inner voice which motivates you to get up when you are truly down or to choose a better action. It’s not random to me or just a long line of coincidences. There’s a creator/creating force out there. We are definitely not the creators of course I know this is a bit out there but lately Ive been fascinated by this stuff. There seems to be even a very real CIA/military connection to the study of consciousness and that basically we create everything and also are part of everything. Need to look into it more. Project Gateway Any thoughts about all this? OldSamVimes if I remember correctly youve stated you read a few different religious texts. Ever come across this Tibet one? |
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Nov 24, 2024 11:10:26 GMT
Well, according to this it is a guide to navigate the journey after death. Apparently you're meant to go towards the white light (Interesting as Im sure we've all heard of the white light in the Western sense), the absolute truth and recognize it as such. That if you dont immediately regard it as such that you go through a trial of sorts. Peaceful/happy images then monsters and that they are just illusions of your own mind/soul. If you still dont get it then you are reborn to try and reach enlightenment again, and eventually transcendence. Meh. It's no Necronomicon Ex-Mortis. |
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Post by San926f on Nov 24, 2024 14:29:34 GMT
So I watched a longer version of this. That life is basically a test, that there are continuous transitional periods (including death) we can learn from and be born again. That we have mini deaths ie break ups, job loss or whatever. To live life with intention and compassion. To understand yourself, not to only react, but to truly understand why we do the things we do. To not be so attached to things and achieve a sense of peace. Carl Jung believed in a concept called archetypes. That is innate and within each of us, that it shapes our identity and mind. The major ones are the self, shadow, animus and the persona. It also manifests in stories throughout time. The hero, the guide/teacher, the joker/trickster etc. One will always be dominant in our personalities. Anyway, what are the origins of this? How far back does it go? If that is the case. Look at the ancient religions. Egyptian, Greek/Roman and Norse ones. Even religions today. Stories come from the mind after all Another thing, what’s to stop us from committing suicide if it is all just a continuous existence? Sure fear of the unknown, pain? A certain voice stopping you? There are no shortcuts imo. According to this you will most likely just be reborn, or maybe stay in an artificial heaven/hell of your own design. I find it interesting that some people would fear the light-sure the unknown, what the hell is going on, fear. As above, so below. Right now people, every day fear what’s good for them. Havent you had experiences where something might actually be good for you but you chose something else? Maybe the easier path, or in your mind, less hairy or messy. Or that you feel that you are not ready to face/confront yet for whatever reason I do think there is something greater. That there is also a goodness inside all of us but that we just need to listen to it. Call it whatever, your conscience, your inner voice which motivates you to get up when you are truly down or to choose a better action. It’s not random to me or just a long line of coincidences. There’s a creator/creating force out there. We are definitely not the creators of course I know this is a bit out there but lately Ive been fascinated by this stuff. There seems to be even a very real CIA/military connection to the study of consciousness and that basically we create everything and also are part of everything. Need to look into it more. Project Gateway Any thoughts about all this? OldSamVimes if I remember correctly youve stated you read a few different religious texts. Ever come across this Tibet one? Fun fact: During the dying process, many practicing Buddhists will refuse pain medication or sedatives, because they want to be alert and aware for the process, so they don't miss that light, I assume. What you say about everyone having good in them? I'm not sure. John of Damascus defined evil as being the absence of goodness. And there are people that I believe fit that definition. People who are cold and without any light in them. I've met people like that, especially when I was a county jail nurse. I remember one pair of brothers in particular who crossed my path because they beat the shit out of some lady when they robbed her. There was just nothing behind their eyes. It was like looking into the eyes of a goldfish for all the emotion you'd find. But unlike a goldfish, there was a lack of dumb innocence. The one brother would smile and it was enough to freeze your blood solid. OTOH, I've met people who have done heinous acts, but goodness is there. In my time as a psychiatric nurse, one of my favorite patients I've ever had was a schizophrenic who did 10-years in prison for killing his wife with a baseball bat. He didn't do it because of evil, but because of illness. He taught me a lesson about faith I'll never forget. By the time I met him, he still had periods where his illness would exacerbate to the point of hospitalization, but he'd mellowed considerably. I, personally, believe that human beings are definitely spiritual creatures. I think there is a definite lack of spiritual self-care in modern society, and I think it' contributing to all the anxiety and depression we see now. Even atheism is its own form of spirituality. When we nurture that part of us that is bigger than our physical and mental self, it helps us to be more grateful, and humble. That's a common theme in all religions, secular humanism included. "There but for the grace of God go I" --John Bradford (alledgedly), a summation of 1 Corinthians 15:10 |
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Post by OfUnknownOrigins on Nov 24, 2024 15:23:24 GMT
So go into the light?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 24, 2024 16:07:15 GMT
So I watched a longer version of this. That life is basically a test, that there are continuous transitional periods (including death) we can learn from and be born again. That we have mini deaths ie break ups, job loss or whatever. To live life with intention and compassion. To understand yourself, not to only react, but to truly understand why we do the things we do. To not be so attached to things and achieve a sense of peace. Carl Jung believed in a concept called archetypes. That is innate and within each of us, that it shapes our identity and mind. The major ones are the self, shadow, animus and the persona. It also manifests in stories throughout time. The hero, the guide/teacher, the joker/trickster etc. One will always be dominant in our personalities. Anyway, what are the origins of this? How far back does it go? If that is the case. Look at the ancient religions. Egyptian, Greek/Roman and Norse ones. Even religions today. Stories come from the mind after all Another thing, what’s to stop us from committing suicide if it is all just a continuous existence? Sure fear of the unknown, pain? A certain voice stopping you? There are no shortcuts imo. According to this you will most likely just be reborn, or maybe stay in an artificial heaven/hell of your own design. I find it interesting that some people would fear the light-sure the unknown, what the hell is going on, fear. As above, so below. Right now people, every day fear what’s good for them. Havent you had experiences where something might actually be good for you but you chose something else? Maybe the easier path, or in your mind, less hairy or messy. Or that you feel that you are not ready to face/confront yet for whatever reason I do think there is something greater. That there is also a goodness inside all of us but that we just need to listen to it. Call it whatever, your conscience, your inner voice which motivates you to get up when you are truly down or to choose a better action. It’s not random to me or just a long line of coincidences. There’s a creator/creating force out there. We are definitely not the creators of course I know this is a bit out there but lately Ive been fascinated by this stuff. There seems to be even a very real CIA/military connection to the study of consciousness and that basically we create everything and also are part of everything. Need to look into it more. Project Gateway Any thoughts about all this? OldSamVimes if I remember correctly youve stated you read a few different religious texts. Ever come across this Tibet one? I do have a beautiful hardcover copy of The Tibetan Book of the Dead, translator W.Y.Evans-Wentz. It's quite the strange book. Supposedly originally used as a mortuary text, meant to be read or recited in the presence of a dead or dying person. It does claim to outline the experiences we may have after death in transition to a reincarnation of some kind. It reminded me of some of the vedas of the Hindu texts. I'm open to the idea that there may be something to it. In the context of vedanta philosophy all things may be possible. It does seem hard to believe that anyone could remember what happens upon death in such detail and be able to write it all down 'next time around'. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 24, 2024 16:11:38 GMT
What if it only seems like a white light?
Then, when you get close enough, you suddenly realize it's actually blue.
But it's too late........ BZZZZZZT!
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Post by [--Leviathan--] on Nov 25, 2024 11:01:55 GMT
So I watched a longer version of this. That life is basically a test, that there are continuous transitional periods (including death) we can learn from and be born again. That we have mini deaths ie break ups, job loss or whatever. To live life with intention and compassion. To understand yourself, not to only react, but to truly understand why we do the things we do. To not be so attached to things and achieve a sense of peace. Carl Jung believed in a concept called archetypes. That is innate and within each of us, that it shapes our identity and mind. The major ones are the self, shadow, animus and the persona. It also manifests in stories throughout time. The hero, the guide/teacher, the joker/trickster etc. One will always be dominant in our personalities. Anyway, what are the origins of this? How far back does it go? If that is the case. Look at the ancient religions. Egyptian, Greek/Roman and Norse ones. Even religions today. Stories come from the mind after all Another thing, what’s to stop us from committing suicide if it is all just a continuous existence? Sure fear of the unknown, pain? A certain voice stopping you? There are no shortcuts imo. According to this you will most likely just be reborn, or maybe stay in an artificial heaven/hell of your own design. I find it interesting that some people would fear the light-sure the unknown, what the hell is going on, fear. As above, so below. Right now people, every day fear what’s good for them. Havent you had experiences where something might actually be good for you but you chose something else? Maybe the easier path, or in your mind, less hairy or messy. Or that you feel that you are not ready to face/confront yet for whatever reason I do think there is something greater. That there is also a goodness inside all of us but that we just need to listen to it. Call it whatever, your conscience, your inner voice which motivates you to get up when you are truly down or to choose a better action. It’s not random to me or just a long line of coincidences. There’s a creator/creating force out there. We are definitely not the creators of course I know this is a bit out there but lately Ive been fascinated by this stuff. There seems to be even a very real CIA/military connection to the study of consciousness and that basically we create everything and also are part of everything. Need to look into it more. Project Gateway Any thoughts about all this? OldSamVimes if I remember correctly youve stated you read a few different religious texts. Ever come across this Tibet one? Fun fact: During the dying process, many practicing Buddhists will refuse pain medication or sedatives, because they want to be alert and aware for the process, so they don't miss that light, I assume. What you say about everyone having good in them? I'm not sure. John of Damascus defined evil as being the absence of goodness. And there are people that I believe fit that definition. People who are cold and without any light in them. I've met people like that, especially when I was a county jail nurse. I remember one pair of brothers in particular who crossed my path because they beat the shit out of some lady when they robbed her. There was just nothing behind their eyes. It was like looking into the eyes of a goldfish for all the emotion you'd find. But unlike a goldfish, there was a lack of dumb innocence. The one brother would smile and it was enough to freeze your blood solid. OTOH, I've met people who have done heinous acts, but goodness is there. In my time as a psychiatric nurse, one of my favorite patients I've ever had was a schizophrenic who did 10-years in prison for killing his wife with a baseball bat. He didn't do it because of evil, but because of illness. He taught me a lesson about faith I'll never forget. By the time I met him, he still had periods where his illness would exacerbate to the point of hospitalization, but he'd mellowed considerably. I, personally, believe that human beings are definitely spiritual creatures. I think there is a definite lack of spiritual self-care in modern society, and I think it' contributing to all the anxiety and depression we see now. Even atheism is its own form of spirituality. When we nurture that part of us that is bigger than our physical and mental self, it helps us to be more grateful, and humble. That's a common theme in all religions, secular humanism included. "There but for the grace of God go I" --John Bradford (alledgedly), a summation of 1 Corinthians 15:10 I guess I should have been more specific. If you are like the majority of the population free of legitimate pyschopathy or uncontrollable criminal mental illness then I do think there is good in you. Some children are treated like animals/playthings by their parents. Neglected, abused/sexually abused, emotionally manipulated and I think in quite a few cases there's a generational aspect to it unfortunately. Some spirits are thoroughly broken and they turn into fiends or ghosts-I suppose a kind of defense mechanism. It doesnt justify the continued behavior but there is obviously a cause and effect. Some of it is even brain damage with the physical abuse and it changes your personality radically. Some become gangsters from a child brotherhood/fraternity as their parents were never around, due to busy working, maybe theyre an addict or other reasons. The children become their own family. A lot of crime could be wiped out if there was proper and loving parenting imo. As for the other thing, there's a reason that there's suddenly an emphasis on mental health, mindfulness and even online shrinks. However what's the root cause? You hear things like the loneliness epidemic, slowing birth rates. Yeah depression and anxiety of course. The world is evolving too fast but our bodies cant cope. We're not eating the right foods. Then there are the chemicals. We need to listen more to nature. Ive said this before. You cant fight it. Be more in the natural world. Real light as opposed to artificial light. Exercise, we used to be hunters. Smaller living spaces. We need to breathe. Too many apartments and high rises-they call it urban consolidation..further reducing being outside as opposed to a yard, if you have a balcony thats good too sure (also the height again blocking some of the sky) but still..why do you feel immediately better when you step outside or feel the real warmth of the sun's rays- for me anyway and probably for the majority of people too. It's what we are, our biology hasnt caught up yet and it shouldnt imo |
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Post by [--Leviathan--] on Nov 25, 2024 11:05:55 GMT
So I watched a longer version of this. That life is basically a test, that there are continuous transitional periods (including death) we can learn from and be born again. That we have mini deaths ie break ups, job loss or whatever. To live life with intention and compassion. To understand yourself, not to only react, but to truly understand why we do the things we do. To not be so attached to things and achieve a sense of peace. Carl Jung believed in a concept called archetypes. That is innate and within each of us, that it shapes our identity and mind. The major ones are the self, shadow, animus and the persona. It also manifests in stories throughout time. The hero, the guide/teacher, the joker/trickster etc. One will always be dominant in our personalities. Anyway, what are the origins of this? How far back does it go? If that is the case. Look at the ancient religions. Egyptian, Greek/Roman and Norse ones. Even religions today. Stories come from the mind after all Another thing, what’s to stop us from committing suicide if it is all just a continuous existence? Sure fear of the unknown, pain? A certain voice stopping you? There are no shortcuts imo. According to this you will most likely just be reborn, or maybe stay in an artificial heaven/hell of your own design. I find it interesting that some people would fear the light-sure the unknown, what the hell is going on, fear. As above, so below. Right now people, every day fear what’s good for them. Havent you had experiences where something might actually be good for you but you chose something else? Maybe the easier path, or in your mind, less hairy or messy. Or that you feel that you are not ready to face/confront yet for whatever reason I do think there is something greater. That there is also a goodness inside all of us but that we just need to listen to it. Call it whatever, your conscience, your inner voice which motivates you to get up when you are truly down or to choose a better action. It’s not random to me or just a long line of coincidences. There’s a creator/creating force out there. We are definitely not the creators of course I know this is a bit out there but lately Ive been fascinated by this stuff. There seems to be even a very real CIA/military connection to the study of consciousness and that basically we create everything and also are part of everything. Need to look into it more. Project Gateway Any thoughts about all this? OldSamVimes if I remember correctly youve stated you read a few different religious texts. Ever come across this Tibet one? I do have a beautiful hardcover copy of The Tibetan Book of the Dead, translator W.Y.Evans-Wentz. It's quite the strange book. Supposedly originally used as a mortuary text, meant to be read or recited in the presence of a dead or dying person. It does claim to outline the experiences we may have after death in transition to a reincarnation of some kind. It reminded me of some of the vedas of the Hindu texts. I'm open to the idea that there may be something to it. In the context of vedanta philosophy all things may be possible. It does seem hard to believe that anyone could remember what happens upon death in such detail and be able to write it all down 'next time around'. What do the vedas of the Hindu texts say? You wana say more on that too? |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 25, 2024 16:37:29 GMT
I do have a beautiful hardcover copy of The Tibetan Book of the Dead, translator W.Y.Evans-Wentz. It's quite the strange book. Supposedly originally used as a mortuary text, meant to be read or recited in the presence of a dead or dying person. It does claim to outline the experiences we may have after death in transition to a reincarnation of some kind. It reminded me of some of the vedas of the Hindu texts. I'm open to the idea that there may be something to it. In the context of vedanta philosophy all things may be possible. It does seem hard to believe that anyone could remember what happens upon death in such detail and be able to write it all down 'next time around'. You wana say more on that too? Pretty much that everything we experience is consciousness, there is no real material world as we think of it. Consciousness shapes the world we see, which is as substantial as worlds we see in dreams (just on another level so to speak). Kind of like the shared sparks of consciousness within us is what maintains the material world as we see it, and it itself is imprinted on some vast consciousness or 'Brahman'. In the same way the world inside a vivid dream seems solid until you wake up, so is our world. It's as real, or unreal. It's hard stuff to explain in a few sentences. As far as Hindu texts, the vedas are interesting but most translations end up like vague poems and the ideas get lost in the translations to some extent. There is a lot of content. I think the 'Rigveda' is the one I think I have. I read a dramatized version of the Mahabharata last year, by someone with the spiritually ambitious name 'Krishna Dharma'. The Bhagavad Gita is a small part of this historical epic poem. It was very entertaining, epic battle sequences and characters that were like superheroes. It was a fun read. I recommend it over trying to understand the vedas. The best book I read about vedanta philosophy was Vasistha's Yoga . I read it over a 4-5 year period. It is a massively epic book, life changing. It might seem hard to get into, but the prose is easy to follow and beautiful at times. Like a hammer breaking a rock with repeated strikes, it will obliterate any ideas you have about the reality of this world. Even though it took me so long to read, I'll likely start reading it again at some point. |
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