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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Nov 22, 2024 21:08:58 GMT
2 million Jews expelled, hundreds of Kibbutses demolished, 40,000 Jews murdered? NO! Hamas WANTED to do all that. The only reason it didn't is because Israel is strong enough to prevent its enemies from causing death and destruction on that scale. In contrast, Israel is not trying to kill civilians. If it were able to destroy Hamas without killing any civilians, it would. Unfortunately, that is not possible in a densely populated place like Gaza. So sorry, we have to kill women and children instead. They are still muzzies so that is good.
There are no schools in Gaza because we killed the kids LOL |
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Post by marsatax on Nov 22, 2024 22:34:29 GMT
2 million Jews expelled, hundreds of Kibbutses demolished, 40,000 Jews murdered? NO! Hamas WANTED to do all that. The only reason it didn't is because Israel is strong enough to prevent its enemies from causing death and destruction on that scale. In contrast, Israel is not trying to kill civilians. If it were able to destroy Hamas without killing any civilians, it would. Unfortunately, that is not possible in a densely populated place like Gaza. Sounds to me like you're arguing Israel either knows or should know it's not possible top destroy Hamas with the methods they are using because of how densely populated Gaza is, yet they choose to anyways.
Per your terms, the IDF is intentionally targeting civilians under the auspices of it can't be helped. With all due respect, it cannot be claimed Israel is not trying to kill civilians when a year of killing civilians nearly daily days otherwise.
No, you are twisting what I said. Israelis are fairly confident that they can destroy Hamas. The price is that, due to the population density of Gaza, a lot of Palestinian civilians will be killed in the process, which means the usual condemnation from the usual suspects. With all due respect, it cannot be claimed Israel is not trying to kill civilians when a year of killing civilians nearly daily days otherwise.The WWII Allies killed far more civilians than Israel ever did. Of course, you consider me "obnoxious" when I mention that. |
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Post by marsatax on Nov 22, 2024 22:42:24 GMT
Your beloved Islamic Republic of Iran has executed tens of thousands of people for "political offenses", and possibly even hundreds of thousands. It sponsors some of the worst terrorist groups, like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. It persecutes Baha'is for being Baha'is, Kurds for being Kurds, and homosexuals for being homosexuals, often executing such people. You are making up the hundreds of thousands, called a diversion from the brutal war crimes of Israel. I am not making up the 44,000+, mostly women and children and not including the thousands buried in the rubble.
I did not make up the tens of thousands. “Iran, with an estimated 55,000 executions between 1979 and 1988, headed the list of countries (in the Middle East) where capital punishment, especially for political reasons, was most frequently applied.” (Source: The Cauldron: The Middle East Behind the Headlines by Amir Taheri, p.224) And since it has been 36 years since then, I speculated that the number of murders by the government of Iran may have reached over a hundred thousand. the brutal war crimes of Israel. When Palestinians murdered more than a thousand Israelis, mutilated the corpses, and took hundreds of hostages, were THOSE brutal war crimes? Has your beloved Islamic Republic of Iran ever done anything brutal? Is its treatment of Baha'is, Kurds, and homosexuals brutal? I am not making up the 44,000+, mostly women and children
YOU might not be making that up. But those numbers are from Hamas, which has an obvious interest in exaggerating the figures. |
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Post by marsatax on Nov 22, 2024 22:47:19 GMT
2 million Jews expelled, hundreds of Kibbutses demolished, 40,000 Jews murdered? NO! Hamas WANTED to do all that. The only reason it didn't is because Israel is strong enough to prevent its enemies from causing death and destruction on that scale. In contrast, Israel is not trying to kill civilians. If it were able to destroy Hamas without killing any civilians, it would. Unfortunately, that is not possible in a densely populated place like Gaza. So sorry, we have to kill women and children instead. They are still muzzies so that is good. There are no schools in Gaza because we killed the kids LOL Israel is not deliberately trying to kill women and children; it is instead trying to destroy Hamas. But if you really care about saving the lives of Palestinians, why don't you urge the Palestinians to try a brand new approach: peace with Israel? Somehow, you leftists can never bring yourselves to do that. You might hate Palestinian casualties, but you hate the idea of peace between Israel and the Palestinians worse. |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Nov 22, 2024 23:16:46 GMT
You are making up the hundreds of thousands, called a diversion from the brutal war crimes of Israel. I am not making up the 44,000+, mostly women and children and not including the thousands buried in the rubble.
I did not make up the tens of thousands. “Iran, with an estimated 55,000 executions between 1979 and 1988, headed the list of countries (in the Middle East) where capital punishment, especially for political reasons, was most frequently applied.” (Source: The Cauldron: The Middle East Behind the Headlines by Amir Taheri, p.224) And since it has been 36 years since then, I speculated that the number of murders by the government of Iran may have reached over a hundred thousand. the brutal war crimes of Israel. When Palestinians murdered more than a thousand Israelis, mutilated the corpses, and took hundreds of hostages, were THOSE brutal war crimes? Has your beloved Islamic Republic of Iran ever done anything brutal? Is its treatment of Baha'is, Kurds, and homosexuals brutal? I am not making up the 44,000+, mostly women and children
YOU might not be making that up. But those numbers are from Hamas, which has an obvious interest in exaggerating the figures. The Gaza figures are not disputed by the UN, UNWRA, al Jazeera, Medecins sans frontieres, Human Rights Watch anD other NGOS. You throw out a claim with zero evidence. When all Palestinians beheaded 40 babies, mutilated corpses after brutally raping men, women, children, it was all made up. Thrre was a brutal war crimd perpetrated by some members of Hamas, for which Ihe ICC has responded with sn arrest warrant for a Hamas leader who may not be dead yet, but lets ignore that. We all rejoice in the Hamas atrocities and curse all Jews for our antisemitic claims of war crimes. |
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Post by cat on Nov 23, 2024 0:01:54 GMT
Sounds to me like you're arguing Israel either knows or should know it's not possible top destroy Hamas with the methods they are using because of how densely populated Gaza is, yet they choose to anyways.
Per your terms, the IDF is intentionally targeting civilians under the auspices of it can't be helped. With all due respect, it cannot be claimed Israel is not trying to kill civilians when a year of killing civilians nearly daily days otherwise.
No, you are twisting what I said. Israelis are fairly confident that they can destroy Hamas. The price is that, due to the population density of Gaza, a lot of Palestinian civilians will be killed in the process, which means the usual condemnation from the usual suspects. With all due respect, it cannot be claimed Israel is not trying to kill civilians when a year of killing civilians nearly daily days otherwise.The WWII Allies killed far more civilians than Israel ever did. Of course, you consider me "obnoxious" when I mention that.
Yep, therefore: Israel either knows or should know it's not possible to destroy Hamas with the methods they are using because of how densely populated Gaza is, yet they choose to anyways. That makes the killing of civilians intentional. The WWII Allies killed far more civilians than Israel ever did. Of course, you consider me "obnoxious" when I mention that.
Only when you use it as a diversion. You don't see me saying the WWII allies killed more civilians than Hamas to put it in perspective. |
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Post by gwyn on Nov 23, 2024 0:04:53 GMT
I heard Hungary 🇭🇺 invited him over in a big F U to the Clooneys. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by [--Leviathan--] on Nov 23, 2024 0:52:12 GMT
It's almost as if you can't kill 44,000 people without consequences. By that logic, Harry Truman and Winston Churchill should have been hauled into court at the Nuremberg Trials. Yup. How dare Israel defend themselves eh? Also just look at Sept 11. Israel has given Hamas many opportunities. Time for them to be wiped out, the little crazy squirrels |
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Post by marsatax on Nov 23, 2024 3:48:57 GMT
You are making up the hundreds of thousands
I did not make up the tens of thousands. “Iran, with an estimated 55,000 executions between 1979 and 1988, headed the list of countries (in the Middle East) where capital punishment, especially for political reasons, was most frequently applied.” (Source: The Cauldron: The Middle East Behind the Headlines by Amir Taheri, p.224) And since it has been 36 years since then, I speculated that the number of murders by the government of Iran may have reached over a hundred thousand. the brutal war crimes of Israel. When Palestinians murdered more than a thousand Israelis, mutilated the corpses, and took hundreds of hostages, were THOSE brutal war crimes? Has your beloved Islamic Republic of Iran ever done anything brutal? Is its treatment of Baha'is, Kurds, and homosexuals brutal? I am not making up the 44,000+, mostly women and children
YOU might not be making that up. But those numbers are from Hamas, which has an obvious interest in exaggerating the figures. The Gaza figures are not disputed by the UN, UNWRA, al Jazeera, Medecins sans frontieres, Human Rights Watch anD other NGOS. You throw out a claim with zero evidence. When all Palestinians beheaded 40 babies, mutilated corpses after brutally raping men, women, children, it was all made up. Thrre was a brutal war crimd perpetrated by some members of Hamas, for which Ihe ICC has responded with sn arrest warrant for a Hamas leader who may not be dead yet, but lets ignore that. We all rejoice in the Hamas atrocities and curse all Jews for our antisemitic claims of war crimes.
LOL. The UN and UNRWA are renowned for being objective and unbiased when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians, right? ![[laugh]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/kPFtBpkwzwpFTaSmbFWI.gif) As for Human Rights Watch, one of its very founders, Robert L. Bernstein, has condemned the group for its bias against Israel. When all Palestinians beheaded 40 babies, mutilated corpses after brutally raping men, women, children, it was all made up.
What was NOT made up is that Hamas and its supporters murdered more than a thousand Israelis, mutilated corpses, destroyed whole families, and took hundreds of hostages. We all rejoice in the Hamas atrocities and curse all Jews for our antisemitic claims of war crimes.
I have not accused you of the "A" word. I just think you are a leftist, and leftists are simply wrong on a lot of issues. There is one surefire way to prevent any Palestinian civilian casualties in the future: urge the Palestinians to agree to permanent peace with Israel. But you can never do that, either because you hate Israel too much, or because you don't want to "look bad" in front of your leftist friends, or both. You would rather choose tens of thousands more Palestinian casualties, if the alternative was urging Palestinians to make peace with the Zionists. |
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Post by marsatax on Nov 23, 2024 3:52:35 GMT
Sounds to me like you're arguing Israel either knows or should know it's not possible top destroy Hamas with the methods they are using because of how densely populated Gaza is, yet they choose to anyways.
No, you are twisting what I said. Israelis are fairly confident that they can destroy Hamas. The price is that, due to the population density of Gaza, a lot of Palestinian civilians will be killed in the process, which means the usual condemnation from the usual suspects. With all due respect, it cannot be claimed Israel is not trying to kill civilians when a year of killing civilians nearly daily days otherwise.The WWII Allies killed far more civilians than Israel ever did. Of course, you consider me "obnoxious" when I mention that.
Yep, therefore: Israel either knows or should know it's not possible to destroy Hamas with the methods they are using because of how densely populated Gaza is, yet they choose to anyways. That makes the killing of civilians intentional. The WWII Allies killed far more civilians than Israel ever did. Of course, you consider me "obnoxious" when I mention that.
Only when you use it as a diversion. You don't see me saying the WWII allies killed more civilians than Hamas to put it in perspective.
Wrong. As I said above, and which you have ignored, the Israelis are fairly confident they can destroy Hamas. Meanwhile, what I said to wombat applies to you too: There is one surefire way to prevent any Palestinian civilian casualties in the future: urge the Palestinians to agree to permanent peace with Israel. But you can never do that, either because you hate Israel too much, or because you don't want to "look bad" in front of your leftist friends, or both. You would rather choose tens of thousands more Palestinian casualties, if the alternative was urging Palestinians to make peace with the Zionists. |
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Post by cat on Nov 23, 2024 4:14:07 GMT
Israelis are fairly confident that they can destroy Hamas. The price is that, due to the population density of Gaza, a lot of Palestinian civilians will be killed in the process.
Yep, therefore: Israel either knows or should know it's not possible to destroy Hamas with the methods they are using because of how densely populated Gaza is, yet they choose to anyways. That makes the killing of civilians intentional. The WWII Allies killed far more civilians than Israel ever did. Of course, you consider me "obnoxious" when I mention that.
Only when you use it as a diversion. You don't see me saying the WWII allies killed more civilians than Hamas to put it in perspective.
Wrong. As I said above, and which you have ignored, the Israelis are fairly confident they can destroy Hamas. Meanwhile, what I said to wombat applies to you too: There is one surefire way to prevent any Palestinian civilian casualties in the future: urge the Palestinians to agree to permanent peace with Israel. But you can never do that, either because you hate Israel too much, or because you don't want to "look bad" in front of your leftist friends, or both. You would rather choose tens of thousands more Palestinian casualties, if the alternative was urging Palestinians to make peace with the Zionists. What are you even talking about? The last time we spoke, I said I'd urge the Palestinians to commit to peace because it's obvious, just as it's obvious that Israel should commit to peace too. You falsely remember how that went down. You said essentially the thing thing then that you are now, that I'd never urge the Palestinians to make peace with Israel, yet I did so right away. Then, I gave you the same opportunity to say the same about Israel, that you should urge it to commit to peace. But you didn't. You dodged and you dodged, and I'm fine with that. Truly. I'm fine with the dodging. It's the misremembering I can't take. ![[banghead]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/HaFDGNYTGeiJiFMSVwwu.gif) Urging both sides to work toward peace is the most obvious solution there is. I don't care if you don't believe that. I think it takes both sides. Like I told you, if you believed Israel should commit to working toward peace, you wouldn't need anyone twisting your arm to say it. You'd say it because it's obvious. I think you're on the side of tens of thousands of more Palestinian casualties. |
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