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Post by merh on Nov 23, 2024 13:54:47 GMT
1.So Govt handouts is capitalism in your world?
2. So if people had listened to Trump and got back to work in a month, there'd have been $Billions less in fraud?
3. Do you think you're showing me anything other than how inept Govt usually is?
PRESIDENT TRUMP rolled out the PPP Private companies, not government workers provided the reviews of applications Why did Donald sign this program if he wanted to re-open NOTICE IT ENDED MARCH 321, 2021, 2 MONTHS AFTER BIDEN TOOK OFFICE. This was DONALD TRUMP’S SHITSHOW But you will continue making Trump your golden boy |
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Post by San926f on Nov 23, 2024 14:01:03 GMT
Your post intrigues me. You sound like you know where the bodies are buried in education like I do in healthcare (non-profit CEO's with private jets to Cabo, for example). I'm hit or miss on his picks, honestly. This Dept. of Ed one feels like a troll, obv. I DO NOT want to see this shut down, but I also don't understand with all the money we pour into education, why my grandchildren come home with lists of donation needs for their classrooms. Then again, Whitmer isn't exactly a braintrust. She's probably buying every school in MI electric buses while most of them need new insulated windows. TLDR: Fed Depart of Education should be more guidance, help in funding in struggling areas, and stop being a top down model and more of a bottom up. The Chica is still in the system in the admin of a military state run public boarding school. She's 24ish years in with 19 being normal public elementary school. I help tutor so I am affiliated with 2 school districts and work pretty closely with teachers and admins... I don't know where the bodies are but the general sense I get from my peeps is that a federal department is needed, but only to set basic requirements, help shift some money to struggling states (i know fucking communism) especially for special needs and elective programs, to help track trends, deficiencies, surfeits, etc. To help with supplements and other secondary and tertiary needs. Right now it's more of a top down model when they want a bottom up model. And example is the current state of reading... We are starting to see the effect of the top down model of the Fed Dept of Education forcing a changes from Phonetic to Whole Language, No Child Left Behind, and Common Core... These changes were forced from the Fed on the states. There was some state involvement in the development don't get me wrong but it was a say something that spread naturally from the bottom up the Fed recognized it and then made it a standard. No this was some research, money, and lobbying (by big book, testing, and tutorng). Me and you should be about the age where we just missed whole language reading. It used to be Phonetic teaching. You teach how letters sound and change forming words, then the rules for when they change and how they change, then build a vocabulary. (another bottom up approach). Whole language is the theory that kids have innate ability to read you just have to point them in the right direction. You teach them words, what they mean, how they relate to real life, and they will figure out the interaction of letters and sounds innately. This gives you great gains initially for young kids to comprehend but those gains are surpassed by phonetical taught kids as they get older. It took us 30 years to figure that out, but because of the the Depart of Education in the mid 80's and 90's pushed for Whole Language the whole country had to learn that lesson hard. If it was only done in small areas and failed then it would've been less hurtful. Then we have No Kid left Behind and Common Core. Kind of the same thing. Looking to be more objective in our testing, evaluation, and improving actual transfer of knowledge. Taking small sample size of how things should work and then the Fed trying to make the whole country fit into that model. In the process they tied teachers pay to the testing. They also forced everyone to be more aware and reliant on standardize testing. (not kidding but big text book, testing, and tutoring lobby pushed for this). What this did was to incentivize teachers and schools to teach kids how to pass tests instead of conveying the knowledge and more importantly how to extract the knowledge as a whole from the subjects/texts. So instead of teaching kids how to read a whole book, analyze it's themes, map out the plot, look for text, metaphor, analogy, and subtext, the teachers switched to how to comprehend, extract the core thesis of many short articles, snippets, or chapters of text. Then how to answer multiple choice questions or how to write a short 5 paragraph answer based on those snippets. The result? Of Whole Language over Phonics, No Kid Left Behind, and Common Core... we have teens, young adults in Gen Z and Alpha that don't have the mental agility, stamina, and patience to read a whole book in week or 2. If you give an average class a page to read and some multiple choice questions their evaluation would probably follow a normal bell curve like a group of Gen X or Millenials would, give them anything longer and they fall off the graph. Okay, I waited till I got home from work so I could give your post the proper attention. Describing it as needing it to be more of a "bottom up" approach makes sense to me. That's an issue in healthcare also. I remember when "No Child Left Behind" was born. The teachers I rubbed elbows with said it was a shitty program (to paraphrase). It essentially had teachers teaching kids to pass those federal exams and that's it. And from what you posted it sounds like we've taught children how not to study and learn. But I feel like that's what happens everytime the feds get involved with something-'-they just make it worse (see: Medicare reform in the 80's. Lots of paperwork now, less coverage, more red tape, just 20 times more bullshit, and it STILL is just as abused)! And that's why you have people who think just getting rid of the DOE would be better, but I don't think so. That would be like getting rid of the HHS or the Surgeon General because healthcare is so fucked. |
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Post by San926f on Nov 23, 2024 14:07:00 GMT
You have any info on the Barbie thing? That one I can't make sense of. Remember when Cabbage Patch kids were claimed as children on tax returns because they had birth certificates? It's the locks keep honest people honest concept. Criminal wants to break in bad enough, he will. /crime/covid-pandemic-fraud-scam-ppp-loanSo again, Trump's PPP thing. Had to get the money out there because there was an election to win. People were claiming Cabbage Patch Kids as dependents? 🤣 I never heard about that. Damn, that's a bold. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 23, 2024 14:10:49 GMT
Why did Donald sign this program if he wanted to re-open NOTICE IT ENDED MARCH 321, 2021, 2 MONTHS AFTER BIDEN TOOK OFFICE. This was DONALD TRUMP’S SHITSHOW But you will continue making Trump your golden boy
Because he was trying to please people liek you? and the Media? Foolishly believing that was the best way to remain president.
Trump was right with his first notion that we shouldn't let the 'cure' be worse than the disease. But everyone in DC pushed for the lock down.
Maybe Biden was redirecting those funds elsewhere? Like handouts for Illegals/immigrants? and military aid for Ukraine?
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Post by DalekFred on Nov 23, 2024 14:11:21 GMT
And if it is voluntary, who gives a shit?  |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 23, 2024 14:13:27 GMT
I remember when "No Child Left Behind" was born. The teachers I rubbed elbows with said it was a shitty program (to paraphrase). It essentially had teachers teaching kids to pass those federal exams and that's it. And from what you posted it sounds like we've taught children how not to study and learn. But I feel like that's what happens everytime the feds get involved with something-'-they just make it worse (see: Medicare reform in the 80's. Lots of paperwork now, less coverage, more red tape, just 20 times more bullshit, and it STILL is just as abused)! And that's why you have people who think just getting rid of the DOE would be better, but I don't think so. That would be like getting rid of the HHS or the Surgeon General because healthcare is so fucked.
So why did the Teachers Union embrace such nonsense from the beginning? It's an impossible goal. If anything, more children should be left behind because they shouldn't be in public schools in the first place.
But they put up with it?? Because of more funding?
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Post by San926f on Nov 23, 2024 14:18:51 GMT
I remember when "No Child Left Behind" was born. The teachers I rubbed elbows with said it was a shitty program (to paraphrase). It essentially had teachers teaching kids to pass those federal exams and that's it. And from what you posted it sounds like we've taught children how not to study and learn. But I feel like that's what happens everytime the feds get involved with something-'-they just make it worse (see: Medicare reform in the 80's. Lots of paperwork now, less coverage, more red tape, just 20 times more bullshit, and it STILL is just as abused)! And that's why you have people who think just getting rid of the DOE would be better, but I don't think so. That would be like getting rid of the HHS or the Surgeon General because healthcare is so fucked.
So why did the Teachers Union embrace such nonsense from the beginning? It's an impossible goal. If anything, more children should be left behind because they shouldn't be in public schools in the first place.
But they put up with ?? Because of more funding?
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 23, 2024 14:20:35 GMT
So why did the Teachers Union embrace such nonsense from the beginning? It's an impossible goal. If anything, more children should be left behind because they shouldn't be in public schools in the first place.
But they put up with ?? Because of more funding?
If they aren't in public school, where should they be?
1. In their own GD country.
2. The 'really' special needs should be at home or in a facility.
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Post by cinemachinery on Nov 23, 2024 17:06:24 GMT
Yep: things like slicing and dicing the dept of edu budget excite me, it’s a massively bloated entity. My excitement is tempered by the historic lack of plan and general chaos accompanying the emotionally-based or reality TV nature of this dude’s staffing ideas. It’s one big wait and see. Your post intrigues me. You sound like you know where the bodies are buried in education like I do in healthcare (non-profit CEO's with private jets to Cabo, for example). I'm hit or miss on his picks, honestly. This Dept. of Ed one feels like a troll, obv. I DO NOT want to see this shut down, but I also don't understand with all the money we pour into education, why my grandchildren come home with lists of donation needs for their classrooms. Then again, Whitmer isn't exactly a braintrust. She's probably buying every school in MI electric buses while most of them need new insulated windows. I don’t know where all the bodies are buried, but I know a shitty post-COVID education plan and a slew of unnecessary boards and admin arms when I see them. I taught 3rd grade math and high school arts for a few years: even before COVID, the waste was rampant. And the response to COVID was… pure insanity. “Some kids didn’t have help and fell behind… let’s make them all perform at that level.”, the model is simply “Teach for the test, correct in class” and everyone comes out aces with no real idea of the material. |
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Post by cts1 on Nov 23, 2024 21:35:27 GMT
There is a lot of Rand Paul whiny BS here. The Egyptian aid is no doubt part of the aid stream that the USA has given since the original accords. By designating the aid that way, a lot probably got back to USA vendors and consultants. The Russian cats appear to be some sort of electrodiagnostic testing research. The issue here is probably ethical and not financial. The DoD lobster tank is probably for a food prep facility. The DoD feeds a lot of people. Also, this was 2016, so Rand is grasping... www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_HDEC0417P0013_9700_-NONE-_-NONE-Way too many of Paul's examples are his anti-Fauci, anti-vaxx axe being ground. The "improper payments" are largely medicare/medicaid and tax fraud. Those who bitch about additional IRS agents take note. Rand has a particular obsession with any addiction research involving animals. Not convinced he is in the right there. The "ruined military equipment" is more of a logistics/infrastructure issue, not a budgeting one. It was either marked with the wrong inventory control tag, or sent to places without sufficient storage.
Ironically, Rand Paul has proven why there is so little consensus on government waste. In a lot of specific situations, the term "government waste" is highly subjective, and that list is an example.
You have any info on the Barbie thing? That one I can't make sense of. It is a reference to someone using a Barbie p0hoto in a PPP fraud. Again: bad, but this is the sort of thing that could be curbed by hiring those enforcement agents Rand & Co. were spinning paranoid fantasies about. |
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Post by merh on Nov 23, 2024 22:17:12 GMT
Why did Donald sign this program if he wanted to re-open NOTICE IT ENDED MARCH 321, 2021, 2 MONTHS AFTER BIDEN TOOK OFFICE. This was DONALD TRUMP’S SHITSHOW But you will continue making Trump your golden boy
Because he was trying to please people liek you? and the Media? Foolishly believing that was the best way to remain president.
Trump was right with his first notion that we shouldn't let the 'cure' be worse than the disease. But everyone in DC pushed for the lock down.
Maybe Biden was redirecting those funds elsewhere? Like handouts for Illegals/immigrants? and military aid for Ukraine?
Program ended March 2021 That Russian invasion was 2022 I worked during the pandemic so I paid my rent every month. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 24, 2024 2:49:08 GMT
Program ended March 2021 That Russian invasion was 2022 I worked during the pandemic so I paid my rent every month.
If only they could have continued it til 2024, they may have won the election, huh?
Russia has been meddled with at least from 2014 onward.
You and I are suckers. Being all responsible and prideful. We should just kick back like millions of others and demand to be supported.
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Post by Vassaggo on Nov 24, 2024 18:38:18 GMT
TLDR: Fed Depart of Education should be more guidance, help in funding in struggling areas, and stop being a top down model and more of a bottom up. The Chica is still in the system in the admin of a military state run public boarding school. She's 24ish years in with 19 being normal public elementary school. I help tutor so I am affiliated with 2 school districts and work pretty closely with teachers and admins... I don't know where the bodies are but the general sense I get from my peeps is that a federal department is needed, but only to set basic requirements, help shift some money to struggling states (i know fucking communism) especially for special needs and elective programs, to help track trends, deficiencies, surfeits, etc. To help with supplements and other secondary and tertiary needs. Right now it's more of a top down model when they want a bottom up model. And example is the current state of reading... We are starting to see the effect of the top down model of the Fed Dept of Education forcing a changes from Phonetic to Whole Language, No Child Left Behind, and Common Core... These changes were forced from the Fed on the states. There was some state involvement in the development don't get me wrong but it was a say something that spread naturally from the bottom up the Fed recognized it and then made it a standard. No this was some research, money, and lobbying (by big book, testing, and tutorng). Me and you should be about the age where we just missed whole language reading. It used to be Phonetic teaching. You teach how letters sound and change forming words, then the rules for when they change and how they change, then build a vocabulary. (another bottom up approach). Whole language is the theory that kids have innate ability to read you just have to point them in the right direction. You teach them words, what they mean, how they relate to real life, and they will figure out the interaction of letters and sounds innately. This gives you great gains initially for young kids to comprehend but those gains are surpassed by phonetical taught kids as they get older. It took us 30 years to figure that out, but because of the the Depart of Education in the mid 80's and 90's pushed for Whole Language the whole country had to learn that lesson hard. If it was only done in small areas and failed then it would've been less hurtful. Then we have No Kid left Behind and Common Core. Kind of the same thing. Looking to be more objective in our testing, evaluation, and improving actual transfer of knowledge. Taking small sample size of how things should work and then the Fed trying to make the whole country fit into that model. In the process they tied teachers pay to the testing. They also forced everyone to be more aware and reliant on standardize testing. (not kidding but big text book, testing, and tutoring lobby pushed for this). What this did was to incentivize teachers and schools to teach kids how to pass tests instead of conveying the knowledge and more importantly how to extract the knowledge as a whole from the subjects/texts. So instead of teaching kids how to read a whole book, analyze it's themes, map out the plot, look for text, metaphor, analogy, and subtext, the teachers switched to how to comprehend, extract the core thesis of many short articles, snippets, or chapters of text. Then how to answer multiple choice questions or how to write a short 5 paragraph answer based on those snippets. The result? Of Whole Language over Phonics, No Kid Left Behind, and Common Core... we have teens, young adults in Gen Z and Alpha that don't have the mental agility, stamina, and patience to read a whole book in week or 2. If you give an average class a page to read and some multiple choice questions their evaluation would probably follow a normal bell curve like a group of Gen X or Millenials would, give them anything longer and they fall off the graph. Okay, I waited till I got home from work so I could give your post the proper attention. Describing it as needing it to be more of a "bottom up" approach makes sense to me. That's an issue in healthcare also. I remember when "No Child Left Behind" was born. The teachers I rubbed elbows with said it was a shitty program (to paraphrase). It essentially had teachers teaching kids to pass those federal exams and that's it. And from what you posted it sounds like we've taught children how not to study and learn. But I feel like that's what happens everytime the feds get involved with something-'-they just make it worse (see: Medicare reform in the 80's. Lots of paperwork now, less coverage, more red tape, just 20 times more bullshit, and it STILL is just as abused)! And that's why you have people who think just getting rid of the DOE would be better, but I don't think so. That would be like getting rid of the HHS or the Surgeon General because healthcare is so fucked. I was actually debating on becoming a Teacher when No Child Left Behind was signed. I had graduated a couple years prior. I had a History Degree with CIS, Art, and Social Studies Minor. I was going for Social Studies Degree which is a History degree + around 40+ hrs of Education Courses + Student Teaching. There was a situation and I wanted to graduate sooner so switched to History nixed Student Teaching and graduated a half a year early. I still could teach though considering i had everything but the student teaching and considering most First year teachers are hand held like student teachers wasn't a big deal. My circle of friends though were half teachers. They were kinda up for No Child Left Behind in the beginning as it was sold to them with more federal funding for Special Needs Teachers + More Discretionary Funding for More Teachers + Allowing for the better teachers to get more Pay and Possibly Bonuses based off of truly Objective Evaluation of Teachers. All which was exaggerated, stretching the truth, or untrue. Especially untrue in NC where they don't have sectioned areas of the budget. Just one big pool. Meaning if the Fed gives NC 20 dollars the state government can't say this 20 bucks can only be spent by the school system. It gets dumped in the budget pool and any department is likely to touch it. Also add in the fact that States can't deficit spend NC really can fuck over departments well. Like when the got the Lotto. They dumped a huge amount of money. They can't allocate the money from Lotto to go specifically to the Schools though. It just gets dumped in with other revenue streams. What did NC do the year after lotto? Huge Tax break. So Really where did the Education Lotto money go to? Well to the Tax Break. I digress. What Teachers want isn't too exotic. They want Support from Parents that teachers used to have 30 years ago. They want their pay to be commiserate with the responsibility, education required, and time. The Chica last contract she signed to teach was 9 months for 52k. That was with 18 years experience + BS + MA + around 10 continued learning college courses (that she had to pay half of) + 5 2week conferences (that she had to pay half of). During that 9 months her working schedule was from 7am to 5pm on campus 3 days out of the week and 7:30am to 4:30pm the other 2. Not to mention averaging 1.5 hours at home 5 days a week. Also 2 weeks working for free 1 wk before and after school year to set the school up for the school year. (Cleaning, maintenance, etc). Those 5 3 week conferences happen during the summer you don't get paid for and in fact you have to pay half yourself (the hotel stay is paid half by the district) and they are mandatory. Also 1 to 3 thousand the average teacher spends on the kids during the year that they get to take 300 off their taxable income come tax time can't forget that. I need to take everythng into consideration one day and see exactly how much that last year of teach she was actually getting paid the hour. I know she took a 3k pay cut to become Admin and she brings more home now just with not spending around 3k on the students per year and the mandatory class/conferences. |
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Post by Deplorable Fascist Garbage on Nov 24, 2024 18:45:10 GMT
Half of NASA’s budget went to Elon Musk before he became Trump’s darling. I’m all for cutting government waste, but start at the top, not the bottom. Big Agra doesn’t need farm subsidies.Cut out all corporate welfare. Stop bailing out the banks without forcing them to restructure and punishing the fraudsters. We can levy more taxes on the wealthy. at least his rockets work, unlike Boeing |
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