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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 1:01:59 GMT
Where are the many threads and whatnot about that? It's probably one of the biggest contributing factors toward gun violence as well. Getting rid of guns is nothing compared to the impact of doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 5:03:21 GMT
Where are the many threads and whatnot about that? It's probably one of the biggest contributing factors toward gun violence as well. Getting rid of guns is nothing compared to the impact of doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect. Then at least you'd be addressing the real problem, which is the people, not the ownership of guns.
To further address your main point, I'd say that compared to previous Presidents, President Trump is doing much more toward "doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect." His policies are all about that.
But...if what you say is true, why doesn't the media focus as much on gun violence in poverty stricken areas than they do in these random school shootings? You'd think they would want to "draw attention to and create awareness" of the issue. But they don't, and I think you know why. It has everything to do with where they want to place the blame.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 5:13:24 GMT
We cant even get rid of poverty in the US, How can we in the rest of the world? You are more than welcome to drive to Detroit and instill the virtues of not solving things with violence to those people in poverty. But chances are you will get carjacked by the time you goto the nearest gas station in that fine city. The problem with most blacks and white trash is they just dont know any better,. They are like animals How do you learn right from wrong? How do you learn to be considerate, respectful and overall decent? How do you learn not to be a bully? How are you taught a work ethic ?\ Your parents. Now how did they learn? Their parents. and so on and so forth blacks and white trash dont have good role models. Even if a black kid is lucky to have a father who isnt in jail or didnt just take off, those blacks dont know how to behave. Their parents didnt teach them how to. They dont know what it means to be civilized. White trash dont know what it means to be a normal respectful person. Their 8 year old kids will say F- you to your FACE.The parents watching them do it not only will not correct them but they will have a laugh about it. Throughout history this is what separates the rich( or middle class) from the poor, from the peasants from the nobles There are exceptions, but for the most part this is true. Thats why blacks and white trash are lazy- they turn to drugs( thier parents are usually on drugs or alcoholics) Since they are lazy, they wont work. Their parents dont care if they do or not. But they need money,. So how do they get it? they turn to drugs, drug dealing, burglaries, muggings, and so on. eventually someone gets hurt, raped and/or murdered. But its more than that. Its human nature. People are going to be hard workers while others will be lazy, that means people will have money and others wont. People are going to want what you have and they are willing to take it from you instead of earning it. On top of that the black rabblerrousers blame the white man for slavery- giving the blacks in the US an excuse for not working hard- while trying to take advantage of the govt with every scam or entitlement they can find to put money in thier pocket and food on the table. The blacks figure "why should i assimilate? Why should I be an uncle tom? my ancestors worked for no money- we did enough for this country!"" blacks make fun of other blacks that act white- calling them " uncle toms" Remember when people in the US donated $$ to haiti after the earthquake? alot of good it did the people. The govt is so corrupt there only like 4-10% reached the people who needed it. 13.5 Billion in donations down the tube- into some corrupt govt officials pockets. getting rid of poverty is a fantasy. www.npr.org/2015/06/03/411524156/in-search-of-the-red-cross-500-million-in-haiti-reliefRed Cross Built Exactly 6 Homes For Haiti With Nearly Half A Billion Dollars In Donations SIX HOMES.www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/04/red-cross-haiti-report_n_7511080.htmlYou might as well wish for the sky not to be blue. You want to save someone? Save yourself
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Post by jojoplumlee on Feb 18, 2018 7:41:13 GMT
Guns are much more fun than poverty.
And on many occasions are one and the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 21:30:41 GMT
To further address your main point, I'd say that compared to previous Presidents, President Trump is doing much more toward "doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect." His policies are all about that.
But...if what you say is true, why doesn't the media focus as much on gun violence in poverty stricken areas than they do in these random school shootings? You'd think they would want to "draw attention to and create awareness" of the issue. But they don't, and I think you know why. It has everything to do with where they want to place the blame.
Trump isn't doing anything to to give control of people's economic activity back to them. Tax cuts and moves to direct socialism are going the wrong direction. The media is owned by the wealthy, and they don't want poverty eliminated, it would create competition and potentially put them out of business. They talk a good capitalist game, but they aren't running a capitalist economy. I never said anything about the rest of the world. I'm talking about the us, other citizens of other countries need to figure out how to do that within their own sphere of influence.
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 19, 2018 22:14:04 GMT
Where are the many threads and whatnot about that? It's probably one of the biggest contributing factors toward gun violence as well. Why would being poor cause a person to shoot another poor person? That just does not make sense. Maybe being stupid causes both poverty and violent behavior? That makes sense. Stupid = unable to get a job, unable to plan your expenses= poverty. Also, stupid = unable to think of ways to solve problems without violence. That would explain the causation and correlation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 22:44:00 GMT
Where are the many threads and whatnot about that? It's probably one of the biggest contributing factors toward gun violence as well. Why would being poor cause a person to shoot another poor person? That just does not make sense. Maybe being stupid causes both poverty and violent behavior? That makes sense. Stupid = unable to get a job, unable to plan your expenses= poverty. Also, stupid = unable to think of ways to solve problems without violence. That would explain the causation and correlation. stupid helps- but its also becuase they are poor poor= need money need money( plus lazy) = stealing stealing= violence eventually
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 20, 2018 0:25:40 GMT
Why would being poor cause a person to shoot another poor person? That just does not make sense. Maybe being stupid causes both poverty and violent behavior? That makes sense. Stupid = unable to get a job, unable to plan your expenses= poverty. Also, stupid = unable to think of ways to solve problems without violence. That would explain the causation and correlation. stupid helps- but its also becuase they are poor poor= need money need money( plus lazy) = stealing stealing= violence eventually Cant think of any better way to get money other than stealing = stupid (usually, some criminals, namely Cosa Nostra, could be really creative). But generally speaking, its not like these guys are employable. But regardless, stupidity is usually the reason there is a link between poverty and crime.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 0:30:05 GMT
stupid helps- but its also becuase they are poor poor= need money need money( plus lazy) = stealing stealing= violence eventually Cant think of any better way to get money other than stealing = stupid (usually, some criminals, namely Cosa Nostra, could be really creative). But generally speaking, its not like these guys are employable. But regardless, stupidity is usually the reason there is a link between poverty and crime. Disagree partly Stupidity is a factor but there are millions of stupid people who dont commit crimes. alot of the time is it upbringing- even a smart person can do stupid things - either peer pressure or because of drugs/booze, jealousy , desperation etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 1:04:11 GMT
To further address your main point, I'd say that compared to previous Presidents, President Trump is doing much more toward "doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect." His policies are all about that.
But...if what you say is true, why doesn't the media focus as much on gun violence in poverty stricken areas than they do in these random school shootings? You'd think they would want to "draw attention to and create awareness" of the issue. But they don't, and I think you know why. It has everything to do with where they want to place the blame.
Trump isn't doing anything to to give control of people's economic activity back to them. Tax cuts and moves to direct socialism are going the wrong direction. The media is owned by the wealthy, and they don't want poverty eliminated, it would create competition and potentially put them out of business. They talk a good capitalist game, but they aren't running a capitalist economy. On this, I'm curious what you are referring to when you say, "moves to direct socialism". The tax cuts, I hope, are only a first step. Otherwise, I get it. Economics is a big nasty bastard for everyone but the super rich. There are some of you here who I would love to have detailed conversation with on that topic. With you Mythic, I get a sense that we differ on some things, but may agree on others.
My first principles run to the following: 1. Small government, little state control. 2. Personal sovereignty 3. Self determination 4. Equality of opportunity, not outcomes. 5. An aversion to the fact that the rich are the ones who are advantageously positioned to become more rich. 6. Lightly regulated capitalism, as opposed to laissez faire or unfettered capitalism. 7. Crimes (corruption, collusion, fraud, tax evasion, bribery, embezzlement, etc.) should be punished to the full extent of the law.
#5 and #7 are huge to me. I don't resent "rich" people. I acknowledge that they are often job creators and that to some extent they have earned what they have made, but do you understand what I mean with #5? I think #5 leads to companies that are too big, that lead to market control (especially if #7 is involved), the increased ability to gain strongholds in emerging markets, buying out competition, etc..
I'm genuinely curious what other people think about economic systems, and the philosophies that surround them.
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Post by Earthlings on Feb 20, 2018 1:18:55 GMT
doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect. Just the opposite of what the Democrats want. The more people they can keep in poverty and on Government assistance the more votes they get. And votes is all they care about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 1:43:42 GMT
doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect. Just the opposite of what the Democrats want. The more people they can keep in poverty and on Government assistance the more votes they get. And votes is all they care about. "..doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect". My name is MysticTrekker and I said that. It's what Trumps policies are all about.
You are close to the mark Earthlings. I'd simply say that the Democrats policies just don't work. It's a Santa Claus that never delivers, but sadly, there are people who fall for the unfulfilled promise (with no present) every year. I know some damn good-hearted people who are Democrats, who get their hands dirty helping the less fortunate, but their leaders/policy makers unfortunately, are not. They are only enablers of blame.
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Post by Earthlings on Feb 20, 2018 1:56:05 GMT
Just the opposite of what the Democrats want. The more people they can keep in poverty and on Government assistance the more votes they get. And votes is all they care about. "..doing the right thing and eliminating poverty and treating citizens with a little respect". My name is MysticTrekker and I said that. It's what Trumps policies are all about.
It's a Santa Claus that never delivers, but sadly, there are people who fall for the unfulfilled promise (with no present) every year.
Charles Barkley got it right "Black people have voted for Democrats their whole life, they’re still poor" And Herman Cain also got it right. He said blacks have been brainwashed into voting for Democrats year after year and they do nothing to help them. Unless keeping them in poverty is helping them.
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 20, 2018 2:07:53 GMT
Cant think of any better way to get money other than stealing = stupid (usually, some criminals, namely Cosa Nostra, could be really creative). But generally speaking, its not like these guys are employable. But regardless, stupidity is usually the reason there is a link between poverty and crime. Disagree partly Stupidity is a factor but there are millions of stupid people who dont commit crimes. alot of the time is it upbringing- even a smart person can do stupid things - either peer pressure or because of drugs/booze, jealousy , desperation etc etc Oh effing Jesus Christ, I'm not trying to say stupidity is the sole cause for crime, or that all stupid people are criminals. I'm just fucking explaining the correlation between crime and poverty. One does not cause the other, rather the correlation exists because one factor helps cause both.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 2:47:47 GMT
stupid helps- but its also becuase they are poor poor= need money need money( plus lazy) = stealing stealing= violence eventually Cant think of any better way to get money other than stealing = stupid (usually, some criminals, namely Cosa Nostra, could be really creative). But generally speaking, its not like these guys are employable. But regardless, stupidity is usually the reason there is a link between poverty and crime. A lot of you refuse to understand and factor in how humans work and the psychological effects of their environment. A lot of mental illness being spread, the 'tough love' approach doesn't work on the scale you people want it to. More and more people will be lashing out at the system.
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