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Post by primethefirst on Apr 28, 2024 21:32:59 GMT
Once upon a time, I would be surprised when someone made multiple points and somehow managed to get every single thing wrong. Not any more. I am not surprised when others make numerous errors. Thank you for illustrating my point.
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Post by damngumby on Apr 28, 2024 23:22:24 GMT
Once upon a time, I would be surprised when someone made multiple points and somehow managed to get every single thing wrong. Not any more. I am not surprised when others make numerous errors. Thank you for illustrating my point. Ah, you are so clueless that you didn’t know I was referring to you. Once again, I am no longer surprised.
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Post by primethefirst on Apr 29, 2024 2:09:13 GMT
Ah, you are so clueless that you didn’t know I was referring to you. Once again, I am no longer surprised. Yeah, your debating technique is to talk to yourself in a mirror. I didn't want to interrupt you.
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Apr 29, 2024 3:18:51 GMT
Lol One of the favorite arguments of the Holy Israel types is "well the Germans and Japanese accepted peace blah blah blah". What was one of the biggest contributors to that? Aid. Lots and lots of aid. When the Allies moved into a destroyed town they didn't force the people there out for condos for their own people. They restored services and rebuilt the town. AFTER an unconditional surrender.
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Post by papamihel on Apr 29, 2024 3:32:56 GMT
No we do not control Gaza. There hasn't been an Israeli there for 19 years if you don't count a couple of very unsuccessful attempts to teach HAMAS a lesson and the kidnapped victims right now. They have a border with Egypt, plenty of Gazans have several passports and they travel the world more than most Arabs. If Israel has no control over Gaza then they wouldn't have been able to impose a blockade several times. Israel cannot blockade Gaza from Egypt's side. Think about it logically. We can only close our own borders and the somewhat the sea.
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Post by papamihel on Apr 29, 2024 3:34:26 GMT
No we do not control Gaza. There hasn't been an Israeli there for 19 years if you don't count a couple of very unsuccessful attempts to teach HAMAS a lesson and the kidnapped victims right now. They have a border with Egypt, plenty of Gazans have several passports and they travel the world more than most Arabs. If you didn't control Gaza you wouldn't be able to essentially unilaterally veto it being declared a state. No one wants them as a state. So far only FATAH is seen as the "palestinian" "legitimate" "government".
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Apr 29, 2024 4:49:27 GMT
Marsatax knows the truth. You dont obviously. Hamas won the only election Israel permitted the Palestinians, on a platform of reducing Fatahs corruption and restarting Fatahs failed peace negotiations. Fatah then expelled Hamas from the west bank but they took over the Gaza government. Hamas changed theirboriginal constitution from their original Muslim Brotherhood one that called forbdestruction of Israel, and tried for several years to stop rocket attacks by Islamic Jihad, PFLP and others. While criticising Hamas for their brutality in suppressing rockets, Israel blamed Hamas for all rocket attacks. Even in 2008 attacking the Gaza police force directly. Israel panicked in the 2010s when sanctions prevented Iran from funding the Hamas government and got Qatar and Saudi Arabia to take over till Iran could renew funding. Israel knew Iranian funding was never primarily weapons but schools, hospitals, power, rebuilding which Israel happily destroyed regularly to try to bankrupt Iran. The new Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel, just as the old one does. www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-fullExcerpts 1. Its [Hamas’s] goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. 2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity. 17. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine. 18. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination. 19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse. 20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. 27. A real state of Palestine is a state that has been liberated. There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital. Where does it say "slitting the throats of all Jews" like their masters Iran says constantly?
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Post by damngumby on Apr 29, 2024 9:51:21 GMT
The new Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel, just as the old one does. Where does it say "slitting the throats of all Jews" like their masters Iran says constantly? So, you were lying when you said Hamas removed the destruction of Israel from their charter. Or, you didn’t know what you were talking about. Which is it?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 29, 2024 9:55:07 GMT
How about we just ask them to stop killing kids? How about we ask Hamas to surrender completely and unconditionally? How about just send some assassins to Qatar? You know those fat cats will not give their sweet life. They got real estate fever just like Bibi.
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Post by mikemonger on Apr 29, 2024 12:08:48 GMT
If you didn't control Gaza you wouldn't be able to essentially unilaterally veto it being declared a state. No one wants them as a state. So far only FATAH is seen as the "palestinian" "legitimate" "government". No one wants them as a state because Israel doesn't want them as a state.
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Post by mikemonger on Apr 29, 2024 12:09:56 GMT
Lol One of the favorite arguments of the Holy Israel types is "well the Germans and Japanese accepted peace blah blah blah". What was one of the biggest contributors to that? Aid. Lots and lots of aid. When the Allies moved into a destroyed town they didn't force the people there out for condos for their own people. They restored services and rebuilt the town. AFTER an unconditional surrender. As well as DURING the campaign.
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Apr 29, 2024 12:13:47 GMT
AFTER an unconditional surrender. As well as DURING the campaign. They may have handed out some very basic food to areas that were fully under allied control, but that is about it. All the serious assistance came after the war was over and the Nazi war criminals were hanging like pinatas.
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Post by mikemonger on Apr 29, 2024 12:36:35 GMT
As well as DURING the campaign. They may have handed out some very basic food to areas that were fully under allied control, but that is about it. All the serious assistance came after the war was over and the Nazi war criminals were hanging like pinatas. They did that as well as restore basic services and provide other forms of civilian aid. Infinately more than what the Israelis do.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 29, 2024 12:43:27 GMT
Israel has a “veto” over the Palestinian state because every part of the “two state solution” consists of dangerous concessions that Israel refuses to make.
The Pals wrote the deal with ZERO consent from Israel.
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Apr 29, 2024 12:58:52 GMT
They may have handed out some very basic food to areas that were fully under allied control, but that is about it. All the serious assistance came after the war was over and the Nazi war criminals were hanging like pinatas. They did that as well as restore basic services and provide other forms of civilian aid. Infinately more than what the Israelis do. Is the area under full Israeli control?
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