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Post by movieliker on Jan 1, 2018 14:00:21 GMT
When you live in a 3rd world country and you come from nothing- your parents put a lot of pressure on you for excellent grades. My high school valedictorianΒ was a Vietnamese kid who could barely speak english. Super thick accent.Hard to understand him but he constantly studied. Either its in a very male dominated society( which most 3rd world countries are) Or Japan- which is why they are all hard working and smart it isnt genetics - its parental pressure. Studying has nothing to do with IQ - that's the point of the way it's designed, it levels the playing field for everyone regardless of education, because the tests are all based on being able to work something out without any pre-knowledge required. I would say it is mostly down to genetics (must be born with good brain) and diet over many generations (must feed brain well, i.e. protein, not carbs). That doesn't make any sense. Children who are educated from birth, will benefit from mental exercise, and be more able to work things out. Than children who are isolated and neglected. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 1, 2018 14:49:16 GMT
That doesn't make any sense. Children who are educated from birth, will benefit from mental exercise, and be more able to work things out. Than children who are isolated and neglected. Education may help them work stuff out faster, because the brain becomes fit, but I don't think it will have much effect on whether they can work something out or not. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 1, 2018 16:17:38 GMT
That doesn't make any sense. Children who are educated from birth, will benefit from mental exercise, and be more able to work things out. Than children who are isolated and neglected. Education may help them work stuff out faster, because the brain becomes fit, but I don't think it will have much effect on whether they can work something out or not. Well, I respect your opinion. And I am not a neurologist. But I disagree. Children who are educated from birth by parents who stimulate, challenge and educate. Will have a higher IQ than the same kid who is neglected, isolated, not stimulated, not challenged and not educated. There are proven cases. Children who were locked in a basement --- neglected and isolated --- were permanently brain damaged --- unable to reach their full normal mental potential. |
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Post by warlock on Jan 1, 2018 16:55:38 GMT
This has always been a curious subject. Studies and stats showing various results, still leaving one to ponder which is the most accurate to gauge how people learn, the best way to learn, if food, if genetics, if environment etc..
A while back I stumbled across a test booklet. It was mine from years ago when I had to, as a child, be tested to see if I was ready for entering regular school. I guess I was 4/5 years old. I was dumbfounded. This thing had reasoning questions not unlike what you might find on a Mensa test, with series of pictures showing the position of something changing in each and you stating where it goes next along with numerical puzzles. My score was near perfect. I looked at them and was almost lost. I still can't figure out how the hell I was ever able, especially at that age, to work these things out. They boggle my mind even now. I would love to see how kids are tested today.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 1, 2018 17:07:37 GMT
Children who are educated from birth by parents who stimulate, challenge and educate. Will have a higher IQ than the same kid who is neglected, isolated, not stimulated, not challenged and not educated. There are proven cases. Children who were locked in a basement --- neglected and isolated --- were permanently brain damaged --- unable to reach their full normal mental potential. The opposite is also true. There were plenty of people at my school who were stimulated, challenged and educated, but they were lifelong thick. Didn't matter what the inputs were, the output was always "Deeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....". Ditto loads of the ones who were locked in the basement - some of them were really bright. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 1, 2018 18:22:35 GMT
Children who are educated from birth by parents who stimulate, challenge and educate. Will have a higher IQ than the same kid who is neglected, isolated, not stimulated, not challenged and not educated. There are proven cases. Children who were locked in a basement --- neglected and isolated --- were permanently brain damaged --- unable to reach their full normal mental potential. The opposite is also true. There were plenty of people at my school who were stimulated, challenged and educated, but they were lifelong thick. Didn't matter what the inputs were, the output was always "Deeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....". Ditto loads of the ones who were locked in the basement - some of them were really bright. I agree, some people are just smart, and some are just stupid. But there is no denying a healthy environment for developing minds affects IQ. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 1, 2018 19:03:08 GMT
I agree, some people are just smart, and some are just stupid. But there is no denying a healthy environment for developing minds affects IQ. Okay, I'll give you that. So can we say that good diet over generations (which creates good genes) + stimulating environment = good IQ? |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 1, 2018 20:11:47 GMT
I agree, some people are just smart, and some are just stupid. But there is no denying a healthy environment for developing minds affects IQ. Okay, I'll give you that. So can we say that good diet over generations (which creates good genes) + stimulating environment = good IQ? Yes, good breeding affects good genes also. |
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Countries, yes. Thatβs what I meant. When you look to a country like Iceland, the average IQ is 102, that isn't very far off from China, and you really can't say they are wealthier than UK or China, so what's left? edit* not to prattle on, but can you name a single invention that came out of Asia that we cannot live without? I mean in our modern time. The light bulb, radio, automobile, locomotive, rocket engine, airplane, computer, telephone, etc. ...if they are "more clever", why are they only using western technology and never innovating? Itβs a false dichotomy. Some of those inventions have different parts not all developed at the same time and by the same person; besides, they werenβt all developed solely by one Western race. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 2, 2018 13:37:38 GMT
edit* not to prattle on, but can you name a single invention that came out of Asia that we cannot live without? I mean in our modern time. The light bulb, radio, automobile, locomotive, rocket engine, airplane, computer, telephone, etc. ...if they are "more clever", why are they only using western technology and never innovating? A very good point, and one of the failings of the IQ test, as innovation has to be part of intelligence, and IQ tests don't test for that. Regarding inventions, some Japanese inventions are the VCR, Gameboy, Nintendo and methamphetamine. Futures trading, lithium-ion battery, CD player and karaoke. Pocket calculator, digital SLR camera, 3-D printing and flash memory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_inventions_and_discoveriesHere's the same for Chinese and Korean inventions. I can't be bothered to pick some out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventionsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_discoveries |
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Jan 3, 2018 10:28:11 GMT
On a side note, have you ever noticed that less diverse countries have higher IQ's? (at least in 1st world nations) Some also reckon there's a correlation to wealth, as in wealth helps make you intelligent. I would it's the other way round - intelligence helps create wealth. I have found that that is not the case, being intelligent doesn't really work in your favor towards becoming rich. It only results in causing everyone to really hate you and try their best to destroy whatever you are working on. At least that is the way it is in the United States, possibly it might be different in the nation where you live. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 3, 2018 12:47:46 GMT
I have found that that is not the case, being intelligent doesn't really work in your favor towards becoming rich. It only results in causing everyone to really hate you and try their best to destroy whatever you are working on. At least that is the way it is in the United States, possibly it might be different in the nation where you live. Hmm, I'd fancy someone's chances more of becoming rich if they're intelligent than not. We too have that jealousy that you mention, but people don't really go out of their way to cause you problems. They just tend to avoid you because they feel inferior. |
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Jan 3, 2018 16:38:08 GMT
China, 105 UK, 100 USA, 98 France, 98 Russia, 97 Israel, 95 Pakistan, 84 India, 82 Does not bode too well. Um...no North Korea on the list? I have a feeling the data is not available because the regime doesn't allow such data to be gathered unless it is under their control. A direct IQ comparison between NK and SK would be fascinating, no? The impact of genetics would be all but eliminated, the impact of nutrition would be profound, and the contrasting education styles would probably play a part. At any rate, the government could not have any hand in the testing and collating, or else the average Nork IQ would be 278. Consider what Donald Trump's latest stunt last night possibly might have done to those figures. www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/03/575240956/trump-taunts-kim-my-nuclear-button-is-much-bigger-than-yourswww.yahoo.com/news/trump-boasts-nuclear-button-doesnt-really-one-082759764.htmlThis is just more proof that we need that loud mouthed retarded Trump out of there and replaced with someone who actually knows what they are doing. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 3, 2018 19:32:15 GMT
This is just more proof that we need that loud mouthed retarded Trump out of there and replaced with someone who actually knows what they are doing. I think Trump is doing the right thing here. People like Kim Jong-un don't respond to diplomacy. What has it achieved pre-Trump? Nothing - it got us to where we are today, a nuclear-armed NK. Balls to diplomacy, it didn't work. People like KJU just take the piss out of diplomacy. And they certainly shouldn't be rewarded with a place at the table for their bad behaviour. That just sends the wrong message to other dictators. I agree with Trump addressing this head on. I want the west to bring down NK's dictatorship, free the NK people and bring about a reunification with SK (as happened with Germany). That can only happen by bringing things to a head. I only hope that Trump means what he is saying. |
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Post by MightyMikey on Jan 12, 2018 21:44:20 GMT
edit* not to prattle on, but can you name a single invention that came out of Asia that we cannot live without? I mean in our modern time. The light bulb, radio, automobile, locomotive, rocket engine, airplane, computer, telephone, etc. ...if they are "more clever", why are they only using western technology and never innovating? A very good point, and one of the failings of the IQ test, as innovation has to be part of intelligence, and IQ tests don't test for that. Regarding inventions, some Japanese inventions are the VCR, Gameboy, Nintendo and methamphetamine. Futures trading, lithium-ion battery, CD player and karaoke. Pocket calculator, digital SLR camera, 3-D printing and flash memory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_inventions_and_discoveriesHere's the same for Chinese and Korean inventions. I can't be bothered to pick some out: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventionsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Korean_inventions_and_discoveries
They've only improved upon what has already existed. They don't innovate. As a Brit, you should know that China is only a world economic power now because Britain released control of Hong Kong back to China in 1999. Their only resource is slave labor for manufacturing, not technical genius. As for the other countries that have had "inventions" , they are also heavily connected to the west. You don't see these inventors creating anything in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, etc. |
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