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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2018 22:29:20 GMT
But I do not agree all psychopaths are innately genetically malformed. Recent studies say otherwise. I think approximately half of psychopathic behavior is conditional. Half of them may have been introduced to their psychopathy by conditions, half may have found it themselves. But the show that a psychopath has certain brain structures hat are a prerequisite, i.e conditions alone won't create such behaviour. I see everyday extreme inconsiderate behavior from perfect strangers and people I know. I see this repeated daily. Sometimes in spite of complaints from others. This behavior fits the description of psychopathic behavior. All of these offenders are not mentally impaired genetically. Their psychopathy is conditional. It is not violent or murderous. But psychopathic none the less. One cannot help but wonder how many of these offenders would stop their inconsiderate and selfish behavior before it gets violent. Many violent criminals have no sympathy or empathy for others. And they feel their selfish desires justify their criminal acts. There is little difference between violent criminals and general repetitive lack of consideration and selfishness. It is only a matter of degree. But the motives are the same. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 5, 2018 22:31:42 GMT
I see everyday extreme inconsiderate behavior from perfect strangers and people I know. I see this repeated daily. Sometimes in spite of complaints from others. This behavior fits the description of psychopathic behavior. All of these offenders are not mentally impaired genetically. How do you know? Did you do brain scans? |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2018 22:34:22 GMT
I see everyday extreme inconsiderate behavior from perfect strangers and people I know. I see this repeated daily. Sometimes in spite of complaints from others. This behavior fits the description of psychopathic behavior. All of these offenders are not mentally impaired genetically. How do you know? Did you do brain scans? Come on Flying Monkeys. Neither of us does brain scans. We are both talking opinion here. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 5, 2018 22:43:44 GMT
I see everyday extreme inconsiderate behavior from perfect strangers and people I know. I see this repeated daily. Sometimes in spite of complaints from others. This behavior fits the description of psychopathic behavior. All of these offenders are not mentally impaired genetically. How do you know? Did you do brain scans? This is my second reply to your post. It is my opinion based on the history of psychology, that eventually the only difference between extreme psychopathic violent behavior, and repetitive mildly inconsiderate and selfish behavior, will be different places on the mental illness/disorder scale. For a long time, Autism and Asperger's Syndrome were listed as two different things. Now Asberger's is just another point on the Autism scale. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 6, 2018 14:42:13 GMT
This is my second reply to your post. It is my opinion based on the history of psychology, that eventually the only difference between extreme psychopathic violent behavior, and repetitive mildly inconsiderate and selfish behavior, will be different places on the mental illness/disorder scale. For a long time, Autism and Asperger's Syndrome were listed as two different things. Now Asberger's is just another point on the Autism scale. Yes exactly, it's a scale, which is what I was talking about above regarding the spectrum. Same thing. Now whether the selfish behaviour you mention is considered to be a genetic defect is arguable, but I would say it is certainly genetic. They have a mild form of the same 'difference', let's call it, that the murderous psychopath does. They just don't take their behaviour as far because they have some of the natural inhibitor that comes with the empathic lobes of the brain. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 6, 2018 17:43:45 GMT
This is my second reply to your post. It is my opinion based on the history of psychology, that eventually the only difference between extreme psychopathic violent behavior, and repetitive mildly inconsiderate and selfish behavior, will be different places on the mental illness/disorder scale. For a long time, Autism and Asperger's Syndrome were listed as two different things. Now Asberger's is just another point on the Autism scale. Yes exactly, it's a scale, which is what I was talking about above regarding the spectrum. Same thing. Now whether the selfish behaviour you mention is considered to be a genetic defect is arguable, but I would say it is certainly genetic. They have a mild form of the same 'difference', let's call it, that the murderous psychopath does. They just don't take their behaviour as far because they have some of the natural inhibitor that comes with the empathic lobes of the brain. I respect your opinion. But I disagree. I think many cases of selfish inconsiderate behavior are conditional. From mild to severe. No natural inhibitor will kick in. Morals, ethics and discipline have to be taught to most people. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 6, 2018 18:38:34 GMT
I respect your opinion. But I disagree. I think many cases of selfish inconsiderate behavior are conditional. From mild to severe. No natural inhibitor will kick in. Morals, ethics and discipline have to be taught to most people. Fair enough, but I believe science will prove me right in time. Have a read of this article. psychcentral.com/news/2012/05/11/scans-show-psychopaths-have-brain-abnormalities/38540.htmlIt shows that they have discovered which parts of the brain (or lack of) result in psychopathy. It's not much of a stretch to believe that anti-social behaviour (of which psychopathy is a distinct sub-group) is also controlled by part of the brain (or lack of). They just haven't found it yet. By the way, I am not disagreeing that anti-social behaviour can be taught/learned. I'm just saying that the brain has to be receptive to those teachings. For example, some people just cannot grasp mathematics - because their brains are not receptive to it. I would say the same is true of anti-social behaviour. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 6, 2018 19:21:10 GMT
I respect your opinion. But I disagree. I think many cases of selfish inconsiderate behavior are conditional. From mild to severe. No natural inhibitor will kick in. Morals, ethics and discipline have to be taught to most people. Fair enough, but I believe science will prove me right in time. Have a read of this article. psychcentral.com/news/2012/05/11/scans-show-psychopaths-have-brain-abnormalities/38540.htmlIt shows that they have discovered which parts of the brain (or lack of) result in psychopathy. It's not much of a stretch to believe that anti-social behaviour (of which psychopathy is a distinct sub-group) is also controlled by part of the brain (or lack of). They just haven't found it yet. By the way, I am not disagreeing that anti-social behaviour can be taught/learned. I'm just saying that the brain has to be receptive to those teachings. For example, some people just cannot grasp mathematics - because their brains are not receptive to it. I would say the same is true of anti-social behaviour. I read the article you linked to. Don't these two paragraphs support my opinion that much psychopathic behavior is conditional? "He noted that most violent crimes are committed by a small group of male offenders with ASPD, but only about a third of these men are true psychopaths (ASPD+P). Psychopaths are characterized by a lack of empathy and remorse, and use aggression in a planned way to secure what they want, whether it is status or money.
The researchers used magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to scan the brains of 44 violent offenders diagnosed with ASPD. Crimes committed included murder, rape, attempted murder and grievous bodily harm. Of these, 17 met the diagnosis for psychopathy (ASPD+P) and 27 did not. Those that met the antisocial personality disorder but did not meet the psychopathy criteria (via the Psychopathy Checklist) were referred to as the ASPD-P group by the researchers. They also scanned the brains of 22 healthy non-offenders."Two thirds of the violent psychopaths did not show physical evidence of abnormal brain structure. And I have never seen evidence that brain structure is not affected by conditions (environment, upbringing, diet, etc.) Nobody knows if these findings about brain structure were a result of outside conditions. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 6, 2018 19:27:05 GMT
I read the article you linked to. Don't these two paragraphs support my opinion that much psychopathic behavior is conditional? No, they simply support the notion that they do not know what causes regular anti-social behaviour. It could be conditional, it could be genetic. They don't know yet. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 6, 2018 19:32:31 GMT
I read the article you linked to. Don't these two paragraphs support my opinion that much psychopathic behavior is conditional? No, they simply support the notion that they do not know what causes regular anti-social behaviour. It could be conditional, it could be genetic. They don't know yet. I think you should go back and read my post again. I edited it greatly since you posted your reply. Most notably, I highlighted the areas that most support my opinion. And I added this; "Two thirds of the violent psychopaths did not show physical evidence of abnormal brain structure. And I have never seen evidence that brain structure is not affected by conditions (environment, upbringing, diet, etc.) Nobody knows if these findings about brain structure were a result of outside conditions." |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 6, 2018 19:32:38 GMT
I think you should go back and read my post again. I edited it greatly since you posted your reply. My response stands. They have found what causes ASPD+P, they have not yet found what causes ASPD-P. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 6, 2018 19:39:04 GMT
I think you should go back and read my post again. I edited it greatly since you posted your reply. My response stands. They have found what causes ASPD+P, they have not yet found what causes ASPD-P. That's fine. But I still disagree. And I still have never seen evidence that brain structure is not affected by conditions (environment, upbringing, diet, etc.) Nobody knows if these findings about brain structure were a result of outside conditions. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 6, 2018 20:06:56 GMT
That's fine. But I still disagree. And I still have never seen evidence that brain structure is not affected by conditions (environment, upbringing, diet, etc.) Nobody knows if these findings about brain structure were a result of outside conditions. I'm not disagreeing on the diet part as that affects genetics. However, I don't think structure can be affected by observing the behaviour of others, e.g. parents. Behaviour might be (as above, I am not disagreeing on that), but structure, no. Have you evidence that structure is affected by that? "Nobody knows" - that is part of my point, this is nascent science. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 6, 2018 20:14:24 GMT
That's fine. But I still disagree. And I still have never seen evidence that brain structure is not affected by conditions (environment, upbringing, diet, etc.) Nobody knows if these findings about brain structure were a result of outside conditions. I'm not disagreeing on the diet part as that affects genetics. However, I don't think structure can be affected by observing the behaviour of others, e.g. parents. Behaviour might be (as above, I am not disagreeing on that), but structure, no. Have you evidence that structure is affected by that? "Nobody knows" - that is part of my point, this is nascent science. Yes. I believe there was a case in California where a man kept a little girl locked in a closet for about twenty years (no education, very little human interaction). When she was rescued, she had permanent brain damage that was visible on brain scans. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 6, 2018 20:31:24 GMT
Yes. I believe there was a case in California where a man kept a little girl locked in a closet for about twenty years (no education, very little human interaction). When she was rescued, she had permanent brain damage that was visible on brain scans. That doesn't prove your point. How do you know she wasn't genetically predisposed to growing a damaged brain? |
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