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Post by peachy on Mar 23, 2023 16:28:17 GMT
I tick White British on the census forms. I could waffle on about the Irish blood which might also include Spanish blood but they probably wouldn’t give a shit. :) If being of a particular ethnic origin and legacy is no longer important to an English identity, that’s a good thing, I guess. Have the English, in affect, gone extinct? That's what you're hoping for. You probably believe if the white race went extinct, the world would be a haven of peace, love and nirvana. Google the civil war in Rhodesia (before it became Zimbabwe), or it might've been Uganda. They were slaughtering each other with machetes, and they were all the same race. So if it's not race, people will always find something to bitch about.
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Post by stammer/head on Mar 23, 2023 17:39:42 GMT
I tick White British on the census forms. I could waffle on about the Irish blood which might also include Spanish blood but they probably wouldn’t give a shit. If being of a particular ethnic origin and legacy is no longer important to an English identity, that’s a good thing, I guess. Have the English, in affect, gone extinct? No, they live in the countryside.
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Post by Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys on Mar 23, 2023 17:53:52 GMT
I tick White British on the census forms. I could waffle on about the Irish blood which might also include Spanish blood but they probably wouldn’t give a shit. I know we don't.
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Post by yggdrasil on Mar 23, 2023 18:10:57 GMT
Nowhere near the obsession it is in the US. When it does turn up it tends to be as an immigration thing outside of the few culture warriors and professional victims. Honestly never encountered the sort of nutty conversations you see on the US board in the UK. Brexit meant something more than detachment from an unwieldy over-government, it’s about your cultural and racial identity. And England has a huge one. And there are two sides of racism because the negative traits of the other race are always measured against the positive traits of the race doing the talking, even if those traits are bullshit. Brexit was about financial independence from something that had got out of control for me. can't say for what it was for every single person and for some there is no doubt that immigration was a factor, but again, controlling borders is a completely different matter to treating Black Brits badly. The fact that it is seen as the same thing to you guys says a great deal about the situation in the US and the fact that there is white Americans, and OTHERS which you can see in the racist far right white supremacist conspiracy theories of the OP on all these threads. They are completely separate issues here and even people I know who are very anti immigration are largely (often mistakenly) against it because they feel we take too many or argue that we have too little room, they have no problem whatsoever with black or other ethnicities born here and often here for many generations. Of course racism exists, just not something obsessed about as it is in the US.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 23, 2023 18:21:20 GMT
Brexit meant something more than detachment from an unwieldy over-government, it’s about your cultural and racial identity. And England has a huge one. And there are two sides of racism because the negative traits of the other race are always measured against the positive traits of the race doing the talking, even if those traits are bullshit. Brexit was about financial independence from something that had got out of control for me. can't say for what it was for every single person and for some there is no doubt that immigration was a factor, but again, controlling borders is a completely different matter to treating Black Brits badly. The fact that it is seen as the same thing to you guys says a great deal about the situation in the US and the fact that there is white Americans, and OTHERS which you can see in the racist far right white supremacist conspiracy theories of the OP on all these threads. They are completely separate issues here and even people I know who are very anti immigration are largely (often mistakenly) against it because they feel we take too many or argue that we have too little room, they have no problem whatsoever with black or other ethnicities born here and often here for many generations. Of course racism exists, just not something obsessed about as it is in the US.The economic disadvantages were known before the exit, but that didn’t stop the vote. What I’m saying is you have a nation with a specific identity as still seen in the countryside. It’s too White. So the English as an ethnic identity as such is going away. There is racism already there, though certainly not like in the US, even so, the racism, that is the white supremacy that molded America, came from directly from England. It was not called that then, but that’s what it was.
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Post by stammer/head on Mar 23, 2023 18:27:30 GMT
Mind you, I blame the French, the Vikings and the Germans.
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Post by mowlick on Mar 24, 2023 11:29:10 GMT
Mind you, I blame the French, the Vikings and the Germans. :) I blame everyone except me.
I don't know where the government gets its information from to be honest. I haven't completed a census form since 1981, and that was just because my son was on his way and I wanted to brag.
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Post by yggdrasil on Mar 24, 2023 11:56:49 GMT
I tick White British on the census forms. I could waffle on about the Irish blood which might also include Spanish blood but they probably wouldn’t give a shit. :) If being of a particular ethnic origin and legacy is no longer important to an English identity, that’s a good thing, I guess. Have the English, in affect, gone extinct? You always have the identity. I remember the old staunch Tory Norman Tebbit thinking that every immigrant should pass his "cricket test" and start supporting England rather than Pakistan or India at cricket once they came here. People will always remember their roots, further generations become Anglified more but you will always be aware of heritage too.
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Post by stammer/head on Mar 24, 2023 13:10:32 GMT
If being of a particular ethnic origin and legacy is no longer important to an English identity, that’s a good thing, I guess. Have the English, in affect, gone extinct? You always have the identity. I remember the old staunch Tory Norman Tebbit thinking that every immigrant should pass his "cricket test" and start supporting England rather than Pakistan or India at cricket once they came here. People will always remember their roots, further generations become Anglified more but you will always be aware of heritage too. I think that there’s also being English because your family only has only married people of AngloSaxon heritage since they arrived here and there’s being English because you were born and raised here and feel that you are a part of the country. One of my uncles once went on about immigrants and my mum reminded him that he had a Huguenot surname.
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Post by ayatollah on Mar 24, 2023 18:28:08 GMT
If being of a particular ethnic origin and legacy is no longer important to an English identity, that’s a good thing, I guess. Have the English, in affect, gone extinct? You always have the identity. I remember the old staunch Tory Norman Tebbit thinking that every immigrant should pass his "cricket test" and start supporting England rather than Pakistan or India at cricket once they came here. People will always remember their roots, further generations become Anglified more but you will always be aware of heritage too. It shows you that ethnicity is more important to some people than their passport or whatever dirt their mom birthed them on, and that you're fine as long as it's those people but when I do it you think it's terrible. Really, it is people like you weaponizing a double standard.
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Post by ayatollah on Mar 24, 2023 18:31:39 GMT
Africans themselves, The Ashanti for one, bear most of the culpability for slavery.
The British fought to end slavery. The Ashanti fought to continue it. They profited from it. There were no Whites running into Africa and kidnapping those people into slavery.
Yep, this is the narrative. It is the Africans’ and later black Americans’ fault. All of it. Thats a narrative, but by far the dominant narrative is that it's all white people's fault.
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Post by Flying Monkeys (Flying/Monkeys on Mar 24, 2023 18:32:35 GMT
If being of a particular ethnic origin and legacy is no longer important to an English identity, that’s a good thing, I guess. Have the English, in affect, gone extinct? You always have the identity. I remember the old staunch Tory Norman Tebbit thinking that every immigrant should pass his "cricket test" and start supporting England rather than Pakistan or India at cricket once they came here. People will always remember their roots, further generations become Anglified more but you will always be aware of heritage too. I agree with him - if you want residence or citizenship here, you renounce your previous allegiances. Not being firm with that leads to conflicts of interest which could be very problematic in difficult times.
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Post by stammer/head on Mar 24, 2023 19:03:52 GMT
You always have the identity. I remember the old staunch Tory Norman Tebbit thinking that every immigrant should pass his "cricket test" and start supporting England rather than Pakistan or India at cricket once they came here. People will always remember their roots, further generations become Anglified more but you will always be aware of heritage too. I agree with him - if you want residence or citizenship here, you renounce your previous allegiances. Not being firm with that leads to conflicts of interest which could be very problematic in difficult times. There you go, another reason to chuck out the Scots. :)
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 24, 2023 19:32:46 GMT
If being of a particular ethnic origin and legacy is no longer important to an English identity, that’s a good thing, I guess. Have the English, in affect, gone extinct? You always have the identity. I remember the old staunch Tory Norman Tebbit thinking that every immigrant should pass his "cricket test" and start supporting England rather than Pakistan or India at cricket once they came here. People will always remember their roots, further generations become Anglified more but you will always be aware of heritage too. Okay, if that’s what it means.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Mar 24, 2023 19:33:20 GMT
Yep, this is the narrative. It is the Africans’ and later black Americans’ fault. All of it. Thats a narrative, but by far the dominant narrative is that it's all white people's fault. 99% is not all, and 99% of it was not due to absolute hatred of the African enslaved people, 99% of it was for greed and many other reasons. If you can get the chip off your shoulder, maybe we can get past some shitty history to really fix things. But I’m not holding my breath.
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