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Post by movieliker on Apr 19, 2023 14:54:56 GMT
I think this movie is good. It's not realistic. It's kind of a "what if". There is no way anybody could prevent anybody from leaving their subdivision. I think it's a metaphor for, with the moral of the movie being --- many people just accept what other people tell them. And investigating and finding out the real truth could be scary and dangerous. The acting was good. Especially Florence Pugh. I've only seen her in this and Black Widow. And she was great in both. And I was surprised to see Harry Styles in a movie. I knew him as a singer and dancer in a boy band. But not as an actor. I thought he did a good job. The cinematography and music were good. I found it entertaining. I'm not sure about the ending. I usually don't like endings like this. I guess she woke up next to Jack's dead body. But not definitely. Since she went to the headquarters and touched the glass earlier. But woke up in her bedroom back in Victory City. But I guess since Jack was still alive, he just put her back in.
But me being a fan of crime investigation and prosecution dramas, I'd like to see what she did next. I guess she brought the whole thing down. But supposedly, many of the residents liked Victory City, even though they knew it was a sham. This movie is not for everybody. But I liked it. 8 out of 10 for me. Did you see it? What do you think?
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Post by politicidal1 on Apr 20, 2023 14:10:08 GMT
4/10.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 20, 2023 17:35:45 GMT
I thought it was pretty much terrible. This exact kind of thing has been done better so many times. It's basically a wannabe version of the longest and worst episode of Black Mirror.
And I'm willing to go with the premise, which of course will have an ultimate reveal at the end, but then if you think back nothing really makes sense. It's just not well thought out and it's commentary is very shallow and done on very well traveled ground by other writers and directors who have done this exact kind of thing much better many times before.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 20, 2023 17:45:44 GMT
I thought it was pretty much terrible. This exact kind of thing has been done better so many times. It's basically a wannabe version of the longest and worst episode of Black Mirror. And I'm willing to go with the premise, which of course will have an ultimate reveal at the end, but then if you think back nothing really makes sense. It's just not well thought out and it's commentary is very shallow and done on very well traveled ground by other writers and directors who have done this exact kind of thing much better many times before. What didn't make sense?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 20, 2023 22:34:04 GMT
I thought it was pretty much terrible. This exact kind of thing has been done better so many times. It's basically a wannabe version of the longest and worst episode of Black Mirror. And I'm willing to go with the premise, which of course will have an ultimate reveal at the end, but then if you think back nothing really makes sense. It's just not well thought out and it's commentary is very shallow and done on very well traveled ground by other writers and directors who have done this exact kind of thing much better many times before. What didn't make sense? If this is a virtual world why is there a rogue plane crash? Why is a physical place to drive to and escape? Why would she have to go through electro-shock therapy? There were more issues like that but I don't remember them all since I watched it a while ago. All of that would have worked a lot better had it been a real place that they brought these people. The same sort of memory wiping and everything could still have occurred but had it been a real place instead of a forced virtual reality some of those things would have at least made sense in the context of the story. It's almost as if they changed the ending without revising the rest of the script because someone had the last minute idea to have Olivia Widle's children only exist in this fake world. It still would have been a superficial approach to ideas that had been done better before, but at least those details could have been fixed.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 20, 2023 23:41:42 GMT
If this is a virtual world why is there a rogue plane crash? Why is a physical place to drive to and escape? Why would she have to go through electro-shock therapy? There were more issues like that but I don't remember them all since I watched it a while ago. All of that would have worked a lot better had it been a real place that they brought these people. The same sort of memory wiping and everything could still have occurred but had it been a real place instead of a forced virtual reality some of those things would have at least made sense in the context of the story. It's almost as if they changed the ending without revising the rest of the script because someone had the last minute idea to have Olivia Widle's children only exist in this fake world. It still would have been a superficial approach to ideas that had been done better before, but at least those details could have been fixed. It was all imaginary. She never got electro shock therapy. There was no plane crash. Those were instances of her mind playing tricks with the virtual dream they put her in. They put her in a trance. And everybody lived the collective dream.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 21, 2023 3:33:50 GMT
If this is a virtual world why is there a rogue plane crash? Why is a physical place to drive to and escape? Why would she have to go through electro-shock therapy? There were more issues like that but I don't remember them all since I watched it a while ago. All of that would have worked a lot better had it been a real place that they brought these people. The same sort of memory wiping and everything could still have occurred but had it been a real place instead of a forced virtual reality some of those things would have at least made sense in the context of the story. It's almost as if they changed the ending without revising the rest of the script because someone had the last minute idea to have Olivia Widle's children only exist in this fake world. It still would have been a superficial approach to ideas that had been done better before, but at least those details could have been fixed. It was all imaginary. She never got electro shock therapy. There was no plane crash. Those were instances of her mind playing tricks with the virtual dream they put her in. They put her in a trance. And everybody lived the collective dream. I understand it was all a collective dream, but if she just imagined a plane crash then it's completely pointless, and in the context of the dream world she got electro shock therapy. That's what the movie communicates to you. But it would, again, be completely pointless to do that. They could just wipe her memory again. Instead they create a scenario where she is tortured into submission when the submission comes from wiping her memory in the first place. It's a leap in logic and a suspension of disbelief, of course, to accept the basic premise here. And that's fine. You're used to that in movies in general. But this one doesn't even play by its own rules.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 21, 2023 4:09:18 GMT
It was all imaginary. She never got electro shock therapy. There was no plane crash. Those were instances of her mind playing tricks with the virtual dream they put her in. They put her in a trance. And everybody lived the collective dream. I understand it was all a collective dream, but if she just imagined a plane crash then it's completely pointless, and in the context of the dream world she got electro shock therapy. That's what the movie communicates to you. But it would, again, be completely pointless to do that. They could just wipe her memory again. Instead they create a scenario where she is tortured into submission when the submission comes from wiping her memory in the first place. It's a leap in logic and a suspension of disbelief, of course, to accept the basic premise here. And that's fine. You're used to that in movies in general. But this one doesn't even play by its own rules. No. They didn't want her to know it was just a dream. They were trying to fool her into thinking it was real. The plane was unintended. That was her mind fighting back against the forced trance. The electro shock treatment was faked to make her think she actually got it. They really just tranced her back into the collective dream.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 21, 2023 11:32:33 GMT
I understand it was all a collective dream, but if she just imagined a plane crash then it's completely pointless, and in the context of the dream world she got electro shock therapy. That's what the movie communicates to you. But it would, again, be completely pointless to do that. They could just wipe her memory again. Instead they create a scenario where she is tortured into submission when the submission comes from wiping her memory in the first place. It's a leap in logic and a suspension of disbelief, of course, to accept the basic premise here. And that's fine. You're used to that in movies in general. But this one doesn't even play by its own rules. No. They didn't want her to know it was just a dream. They were trying to fool her into thinking it was real. The plane was unintended. That was her mind fighting back against the forced trance. The electro shock treatment was faked to make her think she actually got it. They really just tranced her back into the collective dream. Which is unnecessary and doesn't make sense. In a scenario where you can wipe someone's memory why would they go through the charade of imaginary shock treatment? It's stupid and pointless.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 21, 2023 11:58:41 GMT
No. They didn't want her to know it was just a dream. They were trying to fool her into thinking it was real. The plane was unintended. That was her mind fighting back against the forced trance. The electro shock treatment was faked to make her think she actually got it. They really just tranced her back into the collective dream. Which is unnecessary and doesn't make sense. In a scenario where you can wipe someone's memory why would they go through the charade of imaginary shock treatment? It's stupid and pointless. Because they didn't want her to know they could wipe somebody's brain. They didn't want her to know the whole thing was fake. They wanted her to believe Victory City was real.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 21, 2023 12:12:19 GMT
Which is unnecessary and doesn't make sense. In a scenario where you can wipe someone's memory why would they go through the charade of imaginary shock treatment? It's stupid and pointless. Because they didn't want her to know they could wipe somebody's brain. They didn't want her to know the whole thing was fake. They wanted her to believe Victory City was real. If they wiped her brain then she wouldn't know it. Thus is the nature of wiping memory. And the illusion would be real to her. The reality is that Olivia Wilde and her writer just wanted a dramatic scene, but it doesn't make sense in context.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 21, 2023 12:26:15 GMT
Because they didn't want her to know they could wipe somebody's brain. They didn't want her to know the whole thing was fake. They wanted her to believe Victory City was real. If they wiped her brain then she wouldn't know it. Thus is the nature of wiping memory. And the illusion would be real to her. The reality is that Olivia Wilde and her writer just wanted a dramatic scene, but it doesn't make sense in context. No. They did wipe her brain. And she didn't know it.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 21, 2023 12:28:38 GMT
If they wiped her brain then she wouldn't know it. Thus is the nature of wiping memory. And the illusion would be real to her. The reality is that Olivia Wilde and her writer just wanted a dramatic scene, but it doesn't make sense in context. No. They did wipe her brain. And she didn't know it. In which case the scene with the electro shock therapy is completely useless. They don't have to convince her that that happened if they can just delete her memories. It serves no purpose.
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Post by movieliker on Apr 21, 2023 12:34:02 GMT
No. They did wipe her brain. And she didn't know it. In which case the scene with the electro shock therapy is completely useless. They don't have to convince her that that happened if they can just delete her memories. It serves no purpose. No. - They wanted to make her believe she had mental, psychological, emotional problems. Even though she didn't. - They wanted her to believe she was undergoing shock therapy. Even though she wasn't. - They wanted her to believe Victory City was real. Even though it wasn't. It was all a lie. That is why she was angry when she figured it out.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Apr 21, 2023 12:48:29 GMT
In which case the scene with the electro shock therapy is completely useless. They don't have to convince her that that happened if they can just delete her memories. It serves no purpose. No. - They wanted to make her believe she had mental, psychological, emotional problems. Even though she didn't. - They wanted her to believe she was undergoing shock therapy. Even though she wasn't. - They wanted her to believe Victory City was real. Even though it wasn't. It was all a lie. That is why she was angry when she figured it out. You're pre-facing these posts with 'no' but you're not refuting anything I'm saying. If they can just delete her memories then they can delete her recent memories if having doubts that this is a real place and just reset her. They've established that they can do that. The emotional context of the scene is that they are trying to torture her into submission, but the literal context doesn't really make sense because they way they get people to submit it by simply wiping their memories.
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