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Post by jeffersoncody on May 2, 2023 0:39:45 GMT
Are you ever going to be able to move past the horrors of Brexit and live a normal life Nobbi? Or are you stuck in the bubble forever?
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 2, 2023 5:43:04 GMT
How many more people would have died of covid if we went at the EU's snail's pace getting vaccines? It's a myth ... often in repeat mode, but it's a myth I knew that denialism would be the utterly predictable response from the remainers. What a surprise. Here, enlighten yourself with this. By the 4th of March, 2020: On the start date? Maybe. But so what - the speed of roll-out is also vital, and the chart clearly shows the ineptitude of the EU. Here's what was happening in the EU while we got on with it: "In July 2020 the European Union refused an offer of 500 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer-BioNTech due to its pricing."
As usual, everything is about money with lefties/remainers. "In January 2021, the EU changed their mind and bought 300 million BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine doses and considered buying 300 million more."
Six months of fucking around. (Still, I'm sure they got paid well during those 6 months.) "On 10 February, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen acknowledged the EU's vaccine rollout failures, saying: "We were late to authorise. We were too optimistic when it came to massive production and perhaps too confident that what we ordered would actually be delivered on time.""
You can wave your flag all you want, but even your glorious leader admits the EU's roll-out was a failure. You know why? Because they are incompetent bureaucrats. Not a clue about real world stuff, such as sorting out contracts quickly - and thousands of people died unnecessarily as a result. And you think it's a good idea for us to have these incompetents running things? Why would anyone in their right mind choose these people?
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Post by yggdrasil on May 2, 2023 8:47:12 GMT
How many more people would have died of covid if we went at the EU's snail's pace getting vaccines? Of course, that doesn't matter because we're £200 each worse off. We should be honest, there was never any reason that we couldn't have still done our own vaccine. We can't discuss Brexit when "sides" continue to spread things they know are not true.
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Post by yggdrasil on May 2, 2023 9:02:16 GMT
Brexiteers would rather wreck the British economy -- possibly resulting in the eventual dissolution of the Union itself -- rather than simply admit, "OK, we were mistaken. The assumptions we made were way off the mark. We were wrong." The "assumptions" were not assumptions, they were deliberate lies aimed at getting people to vote for Brexit. At the same time the remain argument were telling lies about the utter collapse of the UK that would happen were we to leave, to get votes. The papers were on the side of "leave" mainly, so those who are swayed by such things rather than do their own research voted by a small margin more to leave. Would it have made a difference were the true facts known and explained to each voter? personally I doubt it, more and more the arguments were built around two factors by the "leave" brigade, Sovereignty and free movement into the country of others from Europe. With those two points you had enough to sway it and those who just didn't want Johnny Foreigner coming over here could say it was about "sovereignty" to not look as unpleasant when asked for reasons for their decision to leave. I would have voted leave (was far away at a funeral) as I believe that for the UK it was the right decision, I knew it would cost us money, I knew there would be downsides, but I hoped for future renationalisations of industries that are impossible under the EU, and that the best way to "up" British wages is for them to go up all through Europe rather than have big business race to the bottom. Also, the ever expanding greed and "gravy train" of the EU in it's quest to stretch it's reach far beyond what was ever planned and build a power bloc largely for Germany and France to exploit left a bad taste in the mouth. Forcing austerity on other States is also repugnant. The moronic Tory headbangers threw the baby out with the bathwater by leaving the customs Union and hopefully one day that can be reinstated and help get some of the money back we are losing, but I would vote "leave" were it do be done again tomorrow, although I would be on the losing side now as it was so badly done in the first place.
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Post by yggdrasil on May 2, 2023 9:03:23 GMT
Are you ever going to be able to move past the horrors of Brexit and live a normal life Nobbi? Or are you stuck in the bubble forever? Can't get over Germany losing some of their free money.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 2, 2023 12:17:37 GMT
How many more people would have died of covid if we went at the EU's snail's pace getting vaccines? Of course, that doesn't matter because we're £200 each worse off. We should be honest, there was never any reason that we couldn't have still done our own vaccine. We can't discuss Brexit when "sides" continue to spread things they know are not true. Given neither I nor the other poster said anything about that, no-one is "spreading things they know not to be true". And that has nothing to do with my point. The EU went at their useless pace. More people died as a result. What members could have done is irrelevant to what actually happened.
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Post by mowlick on May 2, 2023 14:01:48 GMT
We should be honest, there was never any reason that we couldn't have still done our own vaccine. We can't discuss Brexit when "sides" continue to spread things they know are not true. Given neither I nor the other poster said anything about that, no-one is "spreading things they know not to be true". And that has nothing to do with my point. The EU went at their useless pace. More people died as a result. What members could have done is irrelevant to what actually happened. Six times as many Brits died from Covid as died in the Blitz.
Nobbi won't be happy until the panzers are driving up Whitehall
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Post by yggdrasil on May 2, 2023 15:05:03 GMT
We should be honest, there was never any reason that we couldn't have still done our own vaccine. We can't discuss Brexit when "sides" continue to spread things they know are not true. Given neither I nor the other poster said anything about that, no-one is "spreading things they know not to be true". And that has nothing to do with my point. The EU went at their useless pace. More people died as a result. What members could have done is irrelevant to what actually happened. You intimated that had we still been in the EU we would have had to be part of their piss poor vaccine roll out and you know it.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 2, 2023 16:15:31 GMT
Given neither I nor the other poster said anything about that, no-one is "spreading things they know not to be true". And that has nothing to do with my point. The EU went at their useless pace. More people died as a result. What members could have done is irrelevant to what actually happened. You intimated that had we still been in the EU we would have had to be part of their piss poor vaccine roll out and you know it. Nope, once again you miss the point completely. Which is that the EU's roll out was a lot worse than what was possible (as proved by the UK). Conclusion: The EU is sub-optimal by a long way. THAT is the point, not what you think is the point.
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Post by yggdrasil on May 3, 2023 12:07:29 GMT
You intimated that had we still been in the EU we would have had to be part of their piss poor vaccine roll out and you know it. Nope, once again you miss the point completely. Which is that the EU's roll out was a lot worse than what was possible (as proved by the UK). Conclusion: The EU is sub-optimal by a long way. THAT is the point, not what you think is the point. If you think that one thing leads to a whole organisation being sub optimal, then that education I helped pay for was pretty much wasted. You are just the anti-Nobbi, making ridiculous claims after ridiculous claim.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on May 3, 2023 19:34:31 GMT
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Post by notoriousnobbi on May 3, 2023 20:25:50 GMT
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 4, 2023 5:07:47 GMT
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Post by gwyn on May 4, 2023 5:44:00 GMT
I see what you did there. Clever girl.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 4, 2023 6:28:00 GMT
I see what you did there. Clever girl. I thought it was funny. Humph. I shall take my great wit somewhere it is appreciated.
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