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Post by skaathar on Aug 22, 2023 21:31:17 GMT
Yeah but which archetype are you referring to? Because Loki as he was portrayed in The Avengers is vastly different from the Loki we got in his own series. Which one are you thinking is the archetype? That he can change up is part of the archetype. You never know which way he will go. The Joker is a Loki, or Trickster, archetype too. An antihero is not a bad hero, his a good villain. Yeah but Loki is no longer playing the trickster archetype in his show, that's my whole point. He no longer acts anything resembling his old self. It's like if Joker got his own show but instead of acting like Joker, he's portrayed like Clark Kent instead. Not as some part of grand scheme where he's just pretending, but truly changed his personality to resemble Clark Kent.
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Post by politicidal1 on Sept 4, 2023 18:57:20 GMT
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Post by politicidal1 on Sept 23, 2023 17:48:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 20:07:30 GMT
I'd have been fine if they didn't do one, and I liked Loki season one quite a bit. They're overplaying Loki's hand and overextending Tom Hiddleston. He does an excellent job but Loki was dead before Loki season one and the Loki in the show is the Loki that never experienced anything past the first Avenger's movie.
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Post by politicidal1 on Oct 4, 2023 1:22:01 GMT
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 5, 2023 23:33:31 GMT
That he can change up is part of the archetype. You never know which way he will go. The Joker is a Loki, or Trickster, archetype too. An antihero is not a bad hero, his a good villain. Yeah but Loki is no longer playing the trickster archetype in his show, that's my whole point. He no longer acts anything resembling his old self. It's like if Joker got his own show but instead of acting like Joker, he's portrayed like Clark Kent instead. Not as some part of grand scheme where he's just pretending, but truly changed his personality to resemble Clark Kent. “His old self” dies at the hand Thanos. This Loki is a Variant who has different fate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 17:30:36 GMT
Another reunion with Thor and Loki is really redundant at this point. Especially since this Loki didn’t experience the events between the two of them in most of the movies. So how could it possibly have any meaning to it. Marvel needs to learn when to move on.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 6, 2023 19:57:20 GMT
Yeah but Loki is no longer playing the trickster archetype in his show, that's my whole point. He no longer acts anything resembling his old self. It's like if Joker got his own show but instead of acting like Joker, he's portrayed like Clark Kent instead. Not as some part of grand scheme where he's just pretending, but truly changed his personality to resemble Clark Kent. “His old self” dies at the hand Thanos. This Loki is a Variant who has different fate.
Is he a variant? They went back in time, not to another universe.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 6, 2023 20:25:01 GMT
“His old self” dies at the hand Thanos. This Loki is a Variant who has different fate.
Is he a variant? They went back in time, not to another universe.
He is a variant because he has been split in two, with one Loki already dead. In the first season, either Kid or Classic Loki laments that whenever a Loki tries to reform himself, he’s cut from the main timeline by the TVA. So this Loki variant has been released from his fate to be a villain.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 8, 2023 13:34:22 GMT
Is he a variant? They went back in time, not to another universe.
He is a variant because he has been split in two, with one Loki already dead. In the first season, either Kid or Classic Loki laments that whenever a Loki tries to reform himself, he’s cut from the main timeline by the TVA. So this Loki variant has been released from his fate to be a villain. Where/when is the split? I don't wanna repeat myself, but they went back in time, not to a parallel universe (like Strange did in MoM). When they went back to 2012, that was theeeee Loki.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 8, 2023 13:47:37 GMT
He is a variant because he has been split in two, with one Loki already dead. In the first season, either Kid or Classic Loki laments that whenever a Loki tries to reform himself, he’s cut from the main timeline by the TVA. So this Loki variant has been released from his fate to be a villain. Where/when is the split? I don't wanna repeat myself, but they went back in time, not to a parallel universe (like Strange did in MoM). When they went back to 2012, that was theeeee Loki. I’m talking about the first episode. When Loki grabs the Tesseract and lands in the desert, he also goes with Thor to Asgard. And Loki, in comics anyway, has the ability to split himself into doppelgängers, though I don’t think this Loki is an Ikol. The problem you say is the TV Loki is vastly different from the cinematic Loki and I agree. My argument is, this is because TV Loki is a new creation who didn’t exist until the TVA captured him and pruned his timeline or Captain America returned the Tesseract to the 1950s.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 10, 2023 19:52:49 GMT
Where/when is the split? I don't wanna repeat myself, but they went back in time, not to a parallel universe (like Strange did in MoM). When they went back to 2012, that was theeeee Loki. I’m talking about the first episode. When Loki grabs the Tesseract and lands in the desert, he also goes with Thor to Asgard. And Loki, in comics anyway, has the ability to split himself into doppelgängers, though I don’t think this Loki is an Ikol. The problem you say is the TV Loki is vastly different from the cinematic Loki and I agree. My argument is, this is because TV Loki is a new creation who didn’t exist until the TVA captured him and pruned his timeline or Captain America returned the Tesseract to the 1950s. I just watched the opening scene in the first episode. Loki disappears from NY and right before it flashes to the desert you hear Thor say, "Where's Loki?!? He didn't both get captured by the TVA and go back to Asgaard. He didn't go to Asgaard until they went back in 2012 again and put the stone back in place, which should wipe the old timeline out, but I guess that's not Marvel's rules.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 10, 2023 20:02:57 GMT
I’m talking about the first episode. When Loki grabs the Tesseract and lands in the desert, he also goes with Thor to Asgard. And Loki, in comics anyway, has the ability to split himself into doppelgängers, though I don’t think this Loki is an Ikol. The problem you say is the TV Loki is vastly different from the cinematic Loki and I agree. My argument is, this is because TV Loki is a new creation who didn’t exist until the TVA captured him and pruned his timeline or Captain America returned the Tesseract to the 1950s. I just watched the opening scene in the first episode. Loki disappears from NY and right before it flashes to the desert you hear Thor say, "Where's Loki?!? He didn't both get captured by the TVA and go back to Asgaard. He didn't go to Asgaard until they went back in 2012 again and put the stone back in place, which should wipe the old timeline out, but I guess that's not Marvel's rules. So where is Loki between 2012 and 2019 then? In the TVA? During that movie we don’t get to see, is Thor looking for his missing brother? Is the Tesseract in the evidence room or Odin’s vault? And why can’t Loki be in two places at once? It’s odd you are going off canon on the character now.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 10, 2023 20:08:19 GMT
I just watched the opening scene in the first episode. Loki disappears from NY and right before it flashes to the desert you hear Thor say, "Where's Loki?!? He didn't both get captured by the TVA and go back to Asgaard. He didn't go to Asgaard until they went back in 2012 again and put the stone back in place, which should wipe the old timeline out, but I guess that's not Marvel's rules. So where is Loki between 2012 and 2019 then? In the TVA? During that movie we don’t get to see, is Thor looking for his missing brother? Is the Tesseract in the evidence room or Odin’s vault? And why can’t Loki be in two places at once? It’s odd you are going off canon on the character now. I got a chuckle out of the thought of him and the rest of The Avengers reactions to him suddenly disappearing. To answer your question, yes and in the TVA, until they go back and erase that alternate history.
Because there wasn't two of him. There was no Loki to take back to Asgaard in 2012 because he fled with the Tesseract. When they went back to 2012 again, it should have erased all this, but for some reason Marvel seems to have missed that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 19:53:37 GMT
Basically, Marvel did a really bad job of establishing a coherent set of rules for the multiverse. Dr Strange 2 did the best job of it by keeping it fairly simple. Loki was a decent show but it’s sci fi mythology is really messy.
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