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Post by skaathar on Oct 19, 2023 16:20:57 GMT
Yeah but Loki is no longer playing the trickster archetype in his show, that's my whole point. He no longer acts anything resembling his old self. It's like if Joker got his own show but instead of acting like Joker, he's portrayed like Clark Kent instead. Not as some part of grand scheme where he's just pretending, but truly changed his personality to resemble Clark Kent. “His old self” dies at the hand Thanos. This Loki is a Variant who has different fate. This Loki came directly from the events of The Avengers, the guy who tried to take over the world and was ruthlessly killing humans left and right. This Loki never fought Thanos.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 19, 2023 18:11:35 GMT
“His old self” dies at the hand Thanos. This Loki is a Variant who has different fate. This Loki came directly from the events of The Avengers, the guy who tried to take over the world and was ruthlessly killing humans left and right. This Loki never fought Thanos. Same guy, but two bodies. Why should one necessarily react the same as the other. While the Loki Variant is in the TVA, he’s also in the Scared Timeline at once.
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Post by skaathar on Oct 19, 2023 21:42:29 GMT
This Loki came directly from the events of The Avengers, the guy who tried to take over the world and was ruthlessly killing humans left and right. This Loki never fought Thanos. Same guy, but two bodies. Why should one necessarily react the same as the other. While the Loki Variant is in the TVA, he’s also in the Scared Timeline at once. Nope, wrong. Same guy, same body, different timeline. It would be like if you were transported to another dimension: sure things there would be different, but you're still the same person. The different events that happen after that point will obviously affect your personality and character arc of course, but a complete character change happening in a day or two would be ridiculous. Let's face it: This show could have featured any protagonist and it would still have worked. Very little of it has to do with Loki and his lore.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 20, 2023 3:11:51 GMT
Same guy, but two bodies. Why should one necessarily react the same as the other. While the Loki Variant is in the TVA, he’s also in the Scared Timeline at once. Nope, wrong. Same guy, same body, different timeline. It would be like if you were transported to another dimension: sure things there would be different, but you're still the same person. The different events that happen after that point will obviously affect your personality and character arc of course, but a complete character change happening in a day or two would be ridiculous. Let's face it: This show could have featured any protagonist and it would still have worked. Very little of it has to do with Loki and his lore. Actually, the Loki of lore is not a villain. The mythical character behaves little differently than Odin. Anyway, I’m satisfied so far with how season one is flowing. Too bad you’ve decided to be a nudge about it. The way things are going IRL, I wouldn’t let a TV show upset me. Maybe you should stop watching.
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Post by skaathar on Oct 21, 2023 0:53:29 GMT
Nope, wrong. Same guy, same body, different timeline. It would be like if you were transported to another dimension: sure things there would be different, but you're still the same person. The different events that happen after that point will obviously affect your personality and character arc of course, but a complete character change happening in a day or two would be ridiculous. Let's face it: This show could have featured any protagonist and it would still have worked. Very little of it has to do with Loki and his lore. Actually, the Loki of lore is not a villain. The mythical character behaves little differently than Odin. Anyway, I’m satisfied so far with how season one is flowing. Too bad you’ve decided to be a nudge about it. The way things are going IRL, I wouldn’t let a TV show upset me. Maybe you should stop watching. Now now, no need to get salty. I raised some valid criticisms against the show. If you disagree with my criticisms then come up with counter arguments. Resorting to personal jibes is usually a sign that you're unable to keep up with a mature and civil discussion.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 21, 2023 3:56:58 GMT
Actually, the Loki of lore is not a villain. The mythical character behaves little differently than Odin. Anyway, I’m satisfied so far with how season one is flowing. Too bad you’ve decided to be a nudge about it. The way things are going IRL, I wouldn’t let a TV show upset me. Maybe you should stop watching. Now now, no need to get salty. I raised some valid criticisms against the show. If you disagree with my criticisms then come up with counter arguments. Resorting to personal jibes is usually a sign that you're unable to keep up with a mature and civil discussion. Let's face it: This show could have featured any protagonist and it would still have worked. Very little of it has to do with Loki and his lore. This isn’t a salty jib considering the name of the show is Loki. Both of us are facing a subjective TV show.
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Post by skaathar on Oct 21, 2023 19:45:01 GMT
Now now, no need to get salty. I raised some valid criticisms against the show. If you disagree with my criticisms then come up with counter arguments. Resorting to personal jibes is usually a sign that you're unable to keep up with a mature and civil discussion. Let's face it: This show could have featured any protagonist and it would still have worked. Very little of it has to do with Loki and his lore. This isn’t a salty jib considering the name of the show is Loki. Both of us are facing a subjective TV show. Well yes, the name of the show is Loki but it runs more like a Dr. Who fan series. I'm not saying it's a bad show, I'm saying it's not really about Loki. It's a show about the TVA and how they're the timecops of the multiverse but it doesn't really do much to explore Loki's lore or his character. He just so happened to be the guy who gets to transverse the TVA lore. That role could have been given to Maria Hill, Bucky, Killmonger, Agent Wu, Mordo... pretty much anyone could have been cast as the lead role and most of the storyline would have remained the same (with some alterations to their variants). That's why they gave Loki a massive 180 degree character change within the first few episodes. So they could turn him into the protagonist this show needed rather than staying true to who Loki was. Again, if you like the show then that's perfectly fine. I'm not saying it's a horrible show. I'm just pointing out that this show isn't about Loki at all, regardless of whether it's good or bad.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 21, 2023 20:52:31 GMT
Let's face it: This show could have featured any protagonist and it would still have worked. Very little of it has to do with Loki and his lore. This isn’t a salty jib considering the name of the show is Loki. Both of us are facing a subjective TV show. Well yes, the name of the show is Loki but it runs more like a Dr. Who fan series. I'm not saying it's a bad show, I'm saying it's not really about Loki. It's a show about the TVA and how they're the timecops of the multiverse but it doesn't really do much to explore Loki's lore or his character. He just so happened to be the guy who gets to transverse the TVA lore. That role could have been given to Maria Hill, Bucky, Killmonger, Agent Wu, Mordo... pretty much anyone could have been cast as the lead role and most of the storyline would have remained the same (with some alterations to their variants). That's why they gave Loki a massive 180 degree character change within the first few episodes. So they could turn him into the protagonist this show needed rather than staying true to who Loki was. Again, if you like the show then that's perfectly fine. I'm not saying it's a horrible show. I'm just pointing out that this show isn't about Loki at all, regardless of whether it's good or bad. If that’s how you see it. But Loki is Chaos and the TVA, created by Kang, is Order. He’s also a trickster and can exist in multiple forms. I’m perfectly satisfied with it because, unlike season one, season is top drawer comic book entertainment. Have you seen episode three yet?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 10, 2023 7:05:48 GMT
This is probably the best of MCU TV shows, yet no one seems interested in it. They should’ve done more wrong.
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Post by merv on Nov 11, 2023 4:09:56 GMT
This is probably the best of MCU TV shows, yet no one seems interested in it. They should’ve done more wrong. I think this season especially is probably tops of the Marvel D+ shows. It really felt special.
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Post by politicidal1 on Nov 13, 2023 18:43:35 GMT
Talking to Script Magazine, the Loki scribe opened up on the original version of that penultimate chapter being "nuked" by Marvel Studios. "I think [Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead] did just incredible work across [episode 5]. And that was the one that we were most intimately involved in together," he says. "Our [original] episode five had gotten nuked. The previous version was the one that they came on because of. It was their favorite episode." "And so then that one got nuked and we had to come up with something new, there was this mind meld. In writing that, that was just something I had to go write in a weekend. There was no time. We were in prep and this thing just needs to be done."
"I'm just so focused on telling this story and doing it in the most emotional way possible and trying to envision some of these things, but really seeing what they did with that; that final moment where everything is just falling apart for Sylvie in that record shop? What was in my head was quite emotional," Martin continues. "But what they did with all of that, with everything slowly creeping, and then finally she sees Lyle, the record store guy, just dissolve in her hands."
"It worked on such a level that I really thought they elevated that scene beyond what I even had in mind."
Asked to elaborate on why the original version of the episode was scrapped, Martin says it boiled down to it being "something that the studio wasn't into." However, as great as what we ended up with was, it sounds like we missed out on a wild hour of television.
"It would have been one of the stranger things that the MCU had ever done. It was a big swing," he teases. "It was a really big conceptual swing and I think dramatic swing. When that got nuked, it was funny because that was the thing where people would stop me in the hallways like, 'Oh man, I'm so sorry. Like, that was my favorite episode.'"
"People were really bummed about it. But, you know, again, I think the studio was right. I think what we had was really good, I think really interesting, but it may not have fit within the show the way that this episode did. There was no time to question it or to even mourn it. It was just like, 'All right, well, whatever. We just have to jump in and just do it.'"
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Post by skaathar on Nov 13, 2023 18:53:50 GMT
You know what irritates me about this show? It's that they completely forgot that Loki is Asgardian/Jotun. Yeah they showcase his magical abilities but they completely scrapped his physical abilities and treat him like a human.
They've forgotten that Loki is bulletproof and is strong enough to easily manhandle Captain America.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 19:05:26 GMT
This is probably the best of MCU TV shows, yet no one seems interested in it. They should’ve done more wrong. I think it’s just that most people have cancelled their DisneyFlix subscriptions. I did, and that’s why I’m not watching/commenting on this season. I hear it’s decent though so I’ll catch it on the flippity flip.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 13, 2023 19:12:55 GMT
This is probably the best of MCU TV shows, yet no one seems interested in it. They should’ve done more wrong. I think it’s just that most people have cancelled their DisneyFlix subscriptions. I did, and that’s why I’m not watching/commenting on this season. I hear it’s decent though so I’ll catch it on the flippity flip. It’s worth it. Fire it up for a month once The Marvels is streaming. That’s what I do. I don’t care for other Disney stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 21:03:59 GMT
I think it’s just that most people have cancelled their DisneyFlix subscriptions. I did, and that’s why I’m not watching/commenting on this season. I hear it’s decent though so I’ll catch it on the flippity flip. It’s worth it. Fire it up for a month once The Marvels is streaming. That’s what I do. I don’t care for other Disney stuff. I did this in September to watch a few things. Gonna wait until a few things stack up. I probably will wait to see if Daredevil is good. It’s partly out of principle to be honest. Streamers deserve to fail and I hate giving them even one new subscriber in their books.
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