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Post by tickingmask on Sept 16, 2023 15:19:53 GMT
Wow, that's quite a nonsequitur and a half, for sure! Add it up. No doubt Islam’s body count is large, but no more so than Christianity’s count, and remember Germany, which decided to go all Christian, has a huge bump between that and their Crusades, Inquisitions, pogroms, witch-hunts, heretics burns, and religious persecution of other Christians. For a while, Christianity did slow its pace after the Enlightenment, the notion that the separation of the state from the church was good idea. Plus Christianity had a 700 hundred year head start. Actually, Islam started out as an Ebonite Christian church, aka Judaizers. Ok, you don't even appear interested in defending your ridiculous nonsequitur that Christians and Muslims are equally violent because they believe in the same God. I tried reading the rest of your rant but stopped when you mentioned the Crusades. I can't help you with the chip on your shoulder, I'm afraid!
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 16, 2023 15:31:34 GMT
Add it up. No doubt Islam’s body count is large, but no more so than Christianity’s count, and remember Germany, which decided to go all Christian, has a huge bump between that and their Crusades, Inquisitions, pogroms, witch-hunts, heretics burns, and religious persecution of other Christians. For a while, Christianity did slow its pace after the Enlightenment, the notion that the separation of the state from the church was good idea. Plus Christianity had a 700 hundred year head start. Actually, Islam started out as an Ebonite Christian church, aka Judaizers. Ok, you don't even appear interested in defending your ridiculous nonsequitur that Christians and Muslims are equally violent because they believe in the same God. I tried reading the rest of your rant but stopped when you mentioned the Crusades. I can't help you with the chip on your shoulder, I'm afraid! Yes, they are equally violent because both religions are predicated on the absolute belief in their respective Book where the same God tells them they can be as violent as need be in his Name. Six million Jews died not because they were rich bankers, that was the excuse, they were killed because they were Christ Killers, who kidnapped Christian babies for their blood. Blood Libel did not come from paganism, atheism, or even Islam, it came right from the church pulpits.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 16, 2023 15:58:33 GMT
Brilliant. Now to get back to the actual point are Jews as violent or prone to terrorism as Muslims? And I've told you about 675 times I'm an atheist. They’ve have been war after war in the Middle East, you tell me. I know you’ve said you’re an atheist, I remember, but you always defend every shitty thing Christians do, so deep down, you’re more Christian than you realize. You find a lot of people are more Atheist to Islam than they are to Christianity.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 16, 2023 16:01:01 GMT
You are taking a snapshot in time though. To be fair and honest to religion you would need to add up the deaths through History in each faith's "name" to see which religions have been most honest to their claims to be religions of "peace". What we actually tend to talk about is not the religion or the faith involved, it's how elements of religions warp the teachings to excuse atrocities of commit them in the name of their God or Prophet. Why? Because that is how you would judge whether the history of a religion has been more steeped in blood than should happen, given their claims to be religions of "peace".
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 16, 2023 16:03:48 GMT
They’ve have been war after war in the Middle East, you tell me. I know you’ve said you’re an atheist, I remember, but you always defend every shitty thing Christians do, so deep down, you’re more Christian than you realize. You find a lot of people are more Atheist to Islam than they are to Christianity. There are a lot of conservative atheists who think Christianity is beneficial for our particular consumer society, so they print it on the money. They don’t abide by it or even know how to pronounce 2 Corinthians.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 16, 2023 16:05:50 GMT
Because that is how you would judge whether the history of a religion has been more steeped in blood than should happen, given their claims to be religions of "peace". History repeats itself and conservatives tend to be tone-deaf to this. And the Holocaust is not ancient history, it was the repeat of the repeat of the repeat all chunked up until it exploded.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 16, 2023 16:08:03 GMT
Ok, you don't even appear interested in defending your ridiculous nonsequitur that Christians and Muslims are equally violent because they believe in the same God. I tried reading the rest of your rant but stopped when you mentioned the Crusades. I can't help you with the chip on your shoulder, I'm afraid! Yes, they are equally violent because both religions are predicated on the absolute belief in their respective Book where the same God tells them they can be as violent as need be in his Name. Six million Jews died not because they were rich bankers, that was the excuse, they were killed because they were Christ Killers, who kidnapped Christian babies for their blood. Blood Libel did not come from paganism, atheism, or even Islam, it came right from the church pulpits. Maybe this has become less a discussion of religions and more a discussion of the characteristics of those who follow the faith. Personally I would get rid of the lot of them as I believe them to be damaging to humanity, however I can accept that the great majority of those who follow all of them are peaceful and believe in their "book's" aims of peace. At the same time extremists will pervert the messages to condone violence, bloodshed and murder throughout history. In the west, Christians are seen as belonging here, even given it's a ME faith in origin, and Muslims can be seen as outsiders and linked with immigration and the extremists who carry out acts of terrorism in it's name.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 16, 2023 16:21:23 GMT
Yes, they are equally violent because both religions are predicated on the absolute belief in their respective Book where the same God tells them they can be as violent as need be in his Name. Six million Jews died not because they were rich bankers, that was the excuse, they were killed because they were Christ Killers, who kidnapped Christian babies for their blood. Blood Libel did not come from paganism, atheism, or even Islam, it came right from the church pulpits. Maybe this has become less a discussion of religions and more a discussion of the characteristics of those who follow the faith. Personally I would get rid of the lot of them as I believe them to be damaging to humanity, however I can accept that the great majority of those who follow all of them are peaceful and believe in their "book's" aims of peace. At the same time extremists will pervert the messages to condone violence, bloodshed and murder throughout history. In the west, Christians are seen as belonging here, even given it's a ME faith in origin, and Muslims can be seen as outsiders and linked with immigration and the extremists who carry out acts of terrorism in it's name. That’s my beef, I don’t have a problem with the spiritual practice of either religion themselves. But we have two opposing religions, both say they are the only One True Faith with the Absolute Truth; that God is on their side, not the other’s; he speaks directly to them…so long as they’re male; and they solve the problems outside and inside with this violence and spiritual terrorism all destined to end in an Armageddon. In Europe, where God is Dead, you’re in little danger of Fundamentalist Christians gaining complete control of the your governments…and don’t you dare poo-poo me…but in the US, its arsenal is Armageddon ready. I do not want these kinds of Christians gaining any credibility as a legitimate religion out to save people who have right to change America into “Christian” nation. You want the Muslims off your continent, that’s your business, and good luck. And where did the Jews belong?
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Post by Hnefahogg on Sept 16, 2023 16:23:59 GMT
You find a lot of people are more Atheist to Islam than they are to Christianity. There are a lot of conservative atheists who think Christianity is beneficial for our particular consumer society, so they print it on the money. They don’t abide by it or even know how to pronounce 2 Corinthians. Are you trying to say that there are more Muslims than Christians who have apostasized from their religion? That would seem a far-fetched claim. Regardless, ex-Muslims in their countries would obviously be far more likely to be atheist in secret because Islamic sharia law in fact says kill those who leave the religion.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 16, 2023 16:25:09 GMT
There are a lot of conservative atheists who think Christianity is beneficial for our particular consumer society, so they print it on the money. They don’t abide by it or even know how to pronounce 2 Corinthians. Are you trying to say that there are more Muslims than Christians who have apostasized from their religion? That would seem a far-fetched claim. Regardless, ex-Muslims in their countries would obviously be far more likely to be atheist in secret because Islamic sharia law in fact says kill those who leave the religion. I’m talking about the elites in Western society. That’s no secret.
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Post by Hnefahogg on Sept 16, 2023 16:51:22 GMT
Are you trying to say that there are more Muslims than Christians who have apostasized from their religion? That would seem a far-fetched claim. Regardless, ex-Muslims in their countries would obviously be far more likely to be atheist in secret because Islamic sharia law in fact says kill those who leave the religion. I’m talking about the elites in Western society. That’s no secret. You're talking about Trump being an atheist Christian-in-name-only because he doesn't know how to pronounce 2 Corinthians.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 16, 2023 17:09:03 GMT
Maybe this has become less a discussion of religions and more a discussion of the characteristics of those who follow the faith. Personally I would get rid of the lot of them as I believe them to be damaging to humanity, however I can accept that the great majority of those who follow all of them are peaceful and believe in their "book's" aims of peace. At the same time extremists will pervert the messages to condone violence, bloodshed and murder throughout history. In the west, Christians are seen as belonging here, even given it's a ME faith in origin, and Muslims can be seen as outsiders and linked with immigration and the extremists who carry out acts of terrorism in it's name. That’s my beef, I don’t have a problem with the spiritual practice of either religion themselves. But we have two opposing religions, both say they are the only One True Faith with the Absolute Truth; that God is on their side, not the other’s; he speaks directly to them…so long as they’re male; and they solve the problems outside and inside with this violence and spiritual terrorism all destined to end in an Armageddon. In Europe, where God is Dead, you’re in little danger of Fundamentalist Christians gaining complete control of the your governments…and don’t you dare poo-poo me…but in the US, its arsenal is Armageddon ready. I do not want these kinds of Christians gaining any credibility as a legitimate religion out to save people who have right to change America into “Christian” nation. You want the Muslims off your continent, that’s your business, and good luck. And where did the Jews belong? Yes, I've noticed in the US there seems a real drive by the new MAGA style Republican Party to force religion and it's supposed beliefs (supposed because the people pushing it are purposely pushing a political religious agenda and not a religious one) firmly into the political arena again. How long before "intelligent Design" pops it's head up again and people are calling for it to be taught as "science." I wouldn't say God is dead here, just largely exists for the elderly and as a social thing rather than anything that tries to push a political agenda beyond "don't treat people like shit and the like". (sending immigrants to Rwanda) As far as Islam specifically is concerned, I would like to see a political process that only grants planning permission to new Mosques that are funded from within their own community, too much money and extremism comes in from abroad and we should be ensuring that dangerous preachers and the such like are kept out of the country.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 16, 2023 17:11:04 GMT
I’m talking about the elites in Western society. That’s no secret. You're talking about Trump being an atheist Christian-in-name-only because he doesn't know how to pronounce 2 Corinthians. Is there a single person who believes Trump to honestly be a man of faith? Almost impossible in a man suffering from the narcissistic complex he does. He only believes in his own untouchability.
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Post by 99999 on Sept 16, 2023 18:04:35 GMT
Ok, you don't even appear interested in defending your ridiculous nonsequitur that Christians and Muslims are equally violent because they believe in the same God. I tried reading the rest of your rant but stopped when you mentioned the Crusades. I can't help you with the chip on your shoulder, I'm afraid! Yes, they are equally violent because both religions are predicated on the absolute belief in their respective Book where the same God tells them they can be as violent as need be in his Name. Six million Jews died not because they were rich bankers, that was the excuse, they were killed because they were Christ Killers, who kidnapped Christian babies for their blood. Blood Libel did not come from paganism, atheism, or even Islam, it came right from the church pulpits. You have not written one single original thought. This is parroting of other's nonsense. Printed on the money? That would be Freemasonry. Do you think you would be happy under Islam? Good luck with that! At your age you would be trafficked under Mutah. Research before you Blather.
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Post by peachy on Sept 16, 2023 21:39:44 GMT
The White Saviors will always defend Islam with their 'whataboutism'.
Btw, that's largely because they view it as a non-white religion. The fact is, all races belong to it.
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