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Post by Factchecker3Point0 on Oct 5, 2023 13:55:31 GMT
Bring it back from where?
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Post by yggdrasil on Oct 5, 2023 14:51:34 GMT
The rumor that he will also raise the dead, cure cancer, and put Christ back in Christmas is gaining currency as well. Cancer is cured. Where have you been. Big Pharma is covering it up.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 5, 2023 14:54:10 GMT
Columbus was a pacifist compared to the savages that were living here. Happy early Columbus Day. Apparently the native tribes weren't warring, raping and enslaving each other. They were all joining hands singing Kumbaya. Only when not dying from smallpox.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 5, 2023 15:00:20 GMT
1. How do we really know what Columbus did or didn't do? We were told for YEARS he discovered America and more recently, he supposedly didn't even set for in the U.S. 2. I don't understand the outrage over taking credit away from him if he really didn't discover America. Weird hill to die on. I don’t understand the care about the holiday unless you’re an Italian American. They are the ethnic group who pushed for it, not the Spanish or Brit Americans. It wasn’t even a national holiday until 1971.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 5, 2023 15:07:31 GMT
It’s still Columbus Day, but some libs want it changed to Indigenous People’s Day, which I wouldn’t be surprised if the federal government did change that to appease the SJWs. So long as you still get the day off, would you care that much? I’m sure the Native Americans don’t care one way or the other. Just like they don’t care who uses the tribe’s’ few remaining emblems of identity as sports totems.
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Post by cinemachinery on Oct 5, 2023 15:44:37 GMT
The rumor that he will also raise the dead, cure cancer, and put Christ back in Christmas is gaining currency as well. What about that health plan, doh? Gonna roll that out…
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 5, 2023 16:42:50 GMT
1. How do we really know what Columbus did or didn't do? We were told for YEARS he discovered America and more recently, he supposedly didn't even set for in the U.S. 2. I don't understand the outrage over taking credit away from him if he really didn't discover America. Weird hill to die on. I don’t understand the care about the holiday unless you’re an Italian American. They are the ethnic group who pushed for it, not the Spanish or Brit Americans. It wasn’t even a national holiday until 1971. If the latest version of history is true, Italian Americans should want nothing to do with him.
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 5, 2023 16:50:26 GMT
1. How do we really know what Columbus did or didn't do? We were told for YEARS he discovered America and more recently, he supposedly didn't even set for in the U.S. 2. I don't understand the outrage over taking credit away from him if he really didn't discover America. Weird hill to die on. It's hilarious to me that suddenly people give a shit about Columbus Day. Aside from the schools using it as a history lesson opportunity (that, as you correctly pointed out, many of us were taught incorrectly about anyhow), no one GAF about this aside from maybe bitching that post offices and banks were closed. Changing it affects nothing. As far as I am concerned, if he discovered the U.S., statues and holidays are fine. If, however, he did not, and the rumors about him are true, take it all down. I side with the facts and truth.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 6, 2023 1:13:20 GMT
Obama had a lot wrong with his administration, but I'll take him over Orange-Flavored Psychopath any time. So you'd take a higher poverty rate, wages losing pace to inflation, Russia expanding (just as it did under Biden), raising healthcare costs, injecting race, and much higher illegal aliens volume? Sounds like you made your choice based upon ideology and not results. I never understood why people did that. I acknowledge Obama is a class A schmuck, but I'd take him over Bush senior and Junior. Id take Clinton over Obama. And I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016 but have to admit I'd take him over all of them simply because he had among the best successes in the past two generations. None of those things occurred ex nihilo under Obama. If you want a whipping boy for that titanic losing streak, cast your memory back to those dear old Reagan republicans, who declared (and won) total economic war against the nation's wage earning middle class, not to mention the unleashing of the neocons and the geopolitical devastations they've managed to wreak.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 6, 2023 1:23:28 GMT
The rumor that he will also raise the dead, cure cancer, and put Christ back in Christmas is gaining currency as well. What about that health plan, doh? Gonna roll that out… Yeah, TrumperyCare. Almost forgot about that one. You know it's gonna be great. YUGE and great.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Oct 6, 2023 3:39:40 GMT
So you'd take a higher poverty rate, wages losing pace to inflation, Russia expanding (just as it did under Biden), raising healthcare costs, injecting race, and much higher illegal aliens volume? Sounds like you made your choice based upon ideology and not results. I never understood why people did that. I acknowledge Obama is a class A schmuck, but I'd take him over Bush senior and Junior. Id take Clinton over Obama. And I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016 but have to admit I'd take him over all of them simply because he had among the best successes in the past two generations. None of those things occurred ex nihilo under Obama. If you want a whipping boy for that titanic losing streak, cast your memory back to those dear old Reagan republicans, who declared (and won) total economic war against the nation's wage earning middle class, not to mention the unleashing of the neocons and the geopolitical devastations they've managed to wreak. Nope..look it up. Poverty rate was higher under both Biden and Obama than under Trump. Home ownership rates were also better... as were ages vs inflation. Oh.... and illegal alien volume was also higher. You want a whipping boy, then go back to Carter and compare him to Reagan. Find 100 people and its doubtful 10 would economically pick Carter. As for foreign policy, Russia expansion occurred under the last two Dems, Carter was mocked, and Clinton launched aerial attacks on a whim whenever news was about to drop about his impeachment. How about the Arab Spring of Obama, Benghazi, or Fast and Furious? And Trump had NK stopping drills, stopping their radio propaganda, and released US veteran remains and while also wiping out the last significant portions of ISIS. But again... this was about Trump vs Biden... not GOP vs Democrats (which also favors the GOP save Bush JR). So on top of homes, illegal aliens, poverty rates, investments, etc.. we can also add gas and grocery prices, personal debt, consumer confidence, and the highest inflation in two generations. The aforementioned examples were demonstrated better under Trump than Biden, the reason to choose Biden was simply ideological as opposed to results. Now... if you can find these statements were inaccurate, by all means present a stronger case. 😉
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Post by amyghost on Oct 6, 2023 9:32:34 GMT
None of those things occurred ex nihilo under Obama. If you want a whipping boy for that titanic losing streak, cast your memory back to those dear old Reagan republicans, who declared (and won) total economic war against the nation's wage earning middle class, not to mention the unleashing of the neocons and the geopolitical devastations they've managed to wreak. Nope..look it up. Poverty rate was higher under both Biden and Obama than under Trump. Home ownership rates were also better... as were ages vs inflation. Oh.... and illegal alien volume was also higher. You want a whipping boy, then go back to Carter and compare him to Reagan. Find 100 people and its doubtful 10 would economically pick Carter. As for foreign policy, Russia expansion occurred under the last two Dems, Carter was mocked, and Clinton launched aerial attacks on a whim whenever news was about to drop about his impeachment. How about the Arab Spring of Obama, Benghazi, or Fast and Furious? And Trump had NK stopping drills, stopping their radio propaganda, and released US veteran remains and while also wiping out the last significant portions of ISIS. But again... this was about Trump vs Biden... not GOP vs Democrats (which also favors the GOP save Bush JR). So on top of homes, illegal aliens, poverty rates, investments, etc.. we can also add gas and grocery prices, personal debt, consumer confidence, and the highest inflation in two generations. The aforementioned examples were demonstrated better under Trump than Biden, the reason to choose Biden was simply ideological as opposed to results. Now... if you can find these statements were inaccurate, by all means present a stronger case. 😉 Nope. You look it up. I'm taking the historically factual long view of how we landed in this mess, not the 'take a swipe at the Dem of the moment and run' variety that the supporters of the Republican Right are used to peddling.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Oct 6, 2023 9:57:53 GMT
Nope..look it up. Poverty rate was higher under both Biden and Obama than under Trump. Home ownership rates were also better... as were ages vs inflation. Oh.... and illegal alien volume was also higher. You want a whipping boy, then go back to Carter and compare him to Reagan. Find 100 people and its doubtful 10 would economically pick Carter. As for foreign policy, Russia expansion occurred under the last two Dems, Carter was mocked, and Clinton launched aerial attacks on a whim whenever news was about to drop about his impeachment. How about the Arab Spring of Obama, Benghazi, or Fast and Furious? And Trump had NK stopping drills, stopping their radio propaganda, and released US veteran remains and while also wiping out the last significant portions of ISIS. But again... this was about Trump vs Biden... not GOP vs Democrats (which also favors the GOP save Bush JR). So on top of homes, illegal aliens, poverty rates, investments, etc.. we can also add gas and grocery prices, personal debt, consumer confidence, and the highest inflation in two generations. The aforementioned examples were demonstrated better under Trump than Biden, the reason to choose Biden was simply ideological as opposed to results. Now... if you can find these statements were inaccurate, by all means present a stronger case. 😉 Nope. You look it up. I'm taking the historically factual long view of how we landed in this mess, not the 'take a swipe at the Dem of the moment and run' variety that the supporters of the Republican Right are used to peddling. Nope you originally said you'd take Biden over Trump. When their records were compared, that's when you pivoted from your very comparison. So...care to make the stronger argument for Biden over Trump thats result oriented as opposed to ideological?... or do you want to continue to pivot? Relax, you're not the only one. It's a politics board after all and I assure you the ignoring the comparison doesn't make it disappear. : ) If you want to move along to how progressive policies hurt the working class more, that can be the next subject, I promise. 😉
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Post by WarrenPeace on Oct 6, 2023 12:34:11 GMT
Columbus was a pacifist compared to the savages that were living here. Happy early Columbus Day. Columbus was a pacifist compared to the savages that were living here. Happy early Columbus Day. Apparently the native tribes weren't warring, raping and enslaving each other. They were all joining hands singing Kumbaya. I am going to disagree with you on these points if you are being serious. I seriously doubt the Arawak Indians were cutting each others hands off when they returned to the village when they did not find any gold. Nor slaughtered or enslaved each other as Columbus and his men did to the Indians. I really do not understand this justification to keep one in denial of the genocidal war the Whites did to the Amer. Indians which were the first ones who discovered America. While it may be true the Indians were not peaceful towards each other, they did not murder each other in the massive numbers the whites did to them and they did not force relocate other tribes by making them walk for hundreds of miles letting many die during the journey of The Trail of Tears. Just Casey,
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Post by bomtombadil on Oct 6, 2023 12:37:31 GMT
I say we compromise and make Columbo Day instead. Then everyone's happy. Especially really old people.
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