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Post by ebuzzmiller on Jan 21, 2018 22:52:44 GMT
If I say no I mean no. If I say yes I mean yes. Do you speak for all women? I had an ex who enjoyed rape role-play. She regularly said no but meant yes. My current girlfriend says no because she wants to play -- she wants to be antagonistic and make me work for it. I'm so bored of hearing that no means no. No, it doesn't. That is far too simplistic. Do you honestly believe that women don't occasionally want to... play? To be coy, coquettish and flirty but say no because they know it drives their man crazy and they want him to be more aggressive? To take what's his. To be animalistic. Why are we pretending this isn't a thing? Don't try and muddy the waters here. It's not rape if it's an agreed on simulation of such. Rape is when one party is an unwilling participant. Just like torture and BDSM are different the same way. If you really can't differentiate the difference here then you really have fucking issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:58:51 GMT
Nothing. Try paying more attention. The OP is a separate discussion entirely. YOU later said no means no. No, it doesn't. The end. I said when I say no I mean no. Is there a reason you insist on changing up my words? I'm not changing them; I'm suggesting they're only relevant if applied to all women. Who the fuck cares what no means to you? And when they are applied to all women, no means no... is bullshit. |
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Post by kls on Jan 21, 2018 23:03:12 GMT
I said when I say no I mean no. Is there a reason you insist on changing up my words? I'm not changing them; I'm suggesting they're only relevant if applied to all women. Who the fuck cares what no means to you? And when they are applied to all women, no means no... is bullshit. I care. And someone who doesn't care what it means to me and thinks he can have sex with me (or another woman who feels the same way) when no is said is going to have a rape or attempted rape charge against him if he tries it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 23:04:45 GMT
Do you speak for all women? I had an ex who enjoyed rape role-play. She regularly said no but meant yes. My current girlfriend says no because she wants to play -- she wants to be antagonistic and make me work for it. I'm so bored of hearing that no means no. No, it doesn't. That is far too simplistic. Do you honestly believe that women don't occasionally want to... play? To be coy, coquettish and flirty but say no because they know it drives their man crazy and they want him to be more aggressive? To take what's his. To be animalistic. Why are we pretending this isn't a thing? Don't try and muddy the waters here. It's not rape if it's an agreed on simulation of such. Rape is when one party is an unwilling participant. Just like torture and BDSM are different the same way. If you really can't differentiate the difference here then you really have fucking issues. The whole point is to muddy the waters to demonstrate the complexity. What if the agreement is NOT verbalised? What if it's two people who sense they're both looking for the same kind of sex? What if the woman on a conscious level does not want sex but on a subconscious level... does? As for no meaning no, only someone who's never been in a relationship would think that were true. |
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Post by kls on Jan 21, 2018 23:10:29 GMT
Don't try and muddy the waters here. It's not rape if it's an agreed on simulation of such. Rape is when one party is an unwilling participant. Just like torture and BDSM are different the same way. If you really can't differentiate the difference here then you really have fucking issues. The whole point is to muddy the waters to demonstrate the complexity. What if the agreement is NOT verbalised? What if it's two people who sense they're both looking for the same kind of sex? What if the woman on a conscious level does not want sex but on a subconscious level... does? As for no meaning no, only someone who's never been in a relationship would think that were true. If you're not sure what she means for some reason stopping means you don't get laid. Doing something that she really meant no don't do could mean a rape charge. |
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Jan 21, 2018 23:12:08 GMT
Don't try and muddy the waters here. It's not rape if it's an agreed on simulation of such. Rape is when one party is an unwilling participant. Just like torture and BDSM are different the same way. If you really can't differentiate the difference here then you really have fucking issues. The whole point is to muddy the waters to demonstrate the complexity. What if the agreement is NOT verbalised? What if it's two people who sense they're both looking for the same kind of sex? What if the woman on a conscious level does not want sex but on a subconscious level... does? As for no meaning no, only someone who's never been in a relationship would think that were true. So you're a telepath too now Professor X? Don't try that 'I can see she really wanted it' bullshit. And that isn't the point. Your original conjecture is that someone attempting to fight you off for real may not be rape if they happened to orgasm. That's not the same thing at all, and you didn't bring up whether it was role-playing, kinky sex or whatever to begin with, so stop moving goalposts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 23:37:41 GMT
The whole point is to muddy the waters to demonstrate the complexity. What if the agreement is NOT verbalised? What if it's two people who sense they're both looking for the same kind of sex? What if the woman on a conscious level does not want sex but on a subconscious level... does? As for no meaning no, only someone who's never been in a relationship would think that were true. So you're a telepath too now Professor X? Don't try that 'I can see she really wanted it' bullshit. And that isn't the point. Your original conjecture is that someone attempting to fight you off for real may not be rape if they happened to orgasm. That's not the same thing at all, and you didn't bring up whether it was role-playing, kinky sex or whatever to begin with, so stop moving goalposts. Um.. We are all telepaths when it comes to sex. Are you under the impression that people verbalise their desire for sex? Most sexual encounters involve NO verbal expression of desire or consent. That's the whole point. It's complicated. There are signals, chemistry, looks, touches, caresses etc. None of which involves saying... "durr, can I have sex now please." As for moving the goalposts. No; the conversation simply moved onto a different yet related subject. In this instance, no always meaning no. That is demonstrably false as shown in the role-play example. |
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Post by kls on Jan 21, 2018 23:40:23 GMT
So you're a telepath too now Professor X? Don't try that 'I can see she really wanted it' bullshit. And that isn't the point. Your original conjecture is that someone attempting to fight you off for real may not be rape if they happened to orgasm. That's not the same thing at all, and you didn't bring up whether it was role-playing, kinky sex or whatever to begin with, so stop moving goalposts. Um.. We are all telepaths when it comes to sex. Are you under the impression that people verbalise their desire for sex? Most sexual encounters involve NO verbal expression of desire or consent. That's the whole point. It's complicated. There are signals, chemistry, looks, touches, caresses etc. None of which involves saying... "durr, can I have sex now please." As for moving the goalposts. No:; the conversation simply moved onto a different yet related subject. In this instance, no always meaning no. Why do you insist on adding always? You've done this several times now. How many different ways can I remind you those are your words you attributed to me, not mine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 23:42:16 GMT
Um.. We are all telepaths when it comes to sex. Are you under the impression that people verbalise their desire for sex? Most sexual encounters involve NO verbal expression of desire or consent. That's the whole point. It's complicated. There are signals, chemistry, looks, touches, caresses etc. None of which involves saying... "durr, can I have sex now please." As for moving the goalposts. No:; the conversation simply moved onto a different yet related subject. In this instance, no always meaning no. Why do you insist on adding always? You've done this several times now. How many different ways can I remind you those are your words you attributed to me, not mine. Because you meant no means no... sometimes? |
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Post by kls on Jan 21, 2018 23:43:15 GMT
Why do you insist on adding always? You've done this several times now. How many different ways can I remind you those are your words you attributed to me, not mine. Because you meant no means no... sometimes? I meant what I said. Nothing more, nothing less. When I say no I mean no. When I say yes I mean yes. I think that's very clear. Have I confused anyone else reading this thread? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 23:59:23 GMT
Because you meant no means no... sometimes? I meant what I said. Nothing more, nothing less. When I say no I mean no. When I say yes I mean yes. I think that's very clear. Have I confused anyone else reading this thread? So then no means no to you... always or only sometimes? Because it can't mean both. That's kinda its purpose. |
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Post by kls on Jan 22, 2018 0:04:07 GMT
I meant what I said. Nothing more, nothing less. When I say no I mean no. When I say yes I mean yes. I think that's very clear. Have I confused anyone else reading this thread? So then no means no to you... always or only sometimes? Because it can't mean both. That's kinda its purpose. I will try one last time to answer. When I say no I mean no. That means always since if I only meant it sometimes the statement would make no sense at all. Nothing I have written indicates inconsistency. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 22, 2018 0:07:19 GMT
There's always one gay guy who spoils it and starts talking about bum sex. Can't you just ring a chat line for that stuff? We're trying have an intelligent discussion here. Wait a second. You're a bloke? Fuck me, I thought you was a woman. |
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Post by movieliker on Jan 22, 2018 0:16:21 GMT
Yes, you raped her, and she ended up enjoying it. You still raped her. If you commit any criminal act. It is still a crime regardless of whether or not the victim enjoyed it. The law defines criminal acts. There is nothing in the law regarding whether or not the victim enjoyed it. But there is no victim, at all. So what is the crime? It began as a crime but did not finish as one. If she doesn't report or press charges, you will be free and clear. But rape is rape. If you didn't have consent or permission --- especially if she expressed objection --- you are committing a crime. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 0:26:54 GMT
I meant what I said. Nothing more, nothing less. When I say no I mean no. When I say yes I mean yes. I think that's very clear. Have I confused anyone else reading this thread? So then no means no to you... always or only sometimes? Because it can't mean both. That's kinda its purpose. Did you rape someone? Do you want to? |
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