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Post by Winter_King on Oct 31, 2023 17:01:46 GMT
I might be wrong but I think it's harder to convert to Judaism than it is to convert to Islam and I think the two religions have different approaches to proselytization. Judaism does not proselytize because it’s an exclusive religion. But it’s not hard to convert. And to leave Christianity out of this aggressive proselytization comparison is silly. Islam has far more in common with Christianity with Islam as it started as a heretical Christian sect. I was replying to the poster and he was mentioning Islam and Judaism. |
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Post by ayatollah on Oct 31, 2023 17:05:14 GMT
Fascism and nationalism aren't either. Communists will complain about nationalism but will often employ it. The USSR originally wanted to repress ethnic identity until the German invasion, then they made it "patriotic" and even after the war continued a policy of Russification (ethno-nationalism). It's even alluded to in the Soviet anthem. We saw it in Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea to this day. Nationalism is exclusivism and that’s Fascist. So all these Communist nations have also been fascist. Is "affirmative action" exclusivism? Face it, these terms are all bullshit. Fascism is when (my opinion) the states interest are out before individual rights. |
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 31, 2023 17:06:35 GMT
Fascism and nationalism aren't either. Communists will complain about nationalism but will often employ it. The USSR originally wanted to repress ethnic identity until the German invasion, then they made it "patriotic" and even after the war continued a policy of Russification (ethno-nationalism). It's even alluded to in the Soviet anthem. We saw it in Cuba, Cambodia, North Korea to this day. That's a simplistic way too look at it. Nationalism was driving force in the push for several nations to become independent of the Soviet Union for example. Was that fascism from their part? |
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Post by yggdrasil on Oct 31, 2023 17:16:48 GMT
some religions are successful some aren't, not much more to it than that. But if Israel ceases to be a Jewish majority state, is the world worse off for that? I’d suggest it would be. Don't think it would make that much difference to "the world" but would certainly affect Western geopolitical interference in the area, which some isolationist Americans might consider a very good thing but would limit the Western sphere of influence. That's what the US effectively buys with their bribes of arms to Israel behind the ridiculous facade of "Aid". You would also likely see an upturn in the influence of Russia and China. It can't be compared for instance to Ukraine/Russia where the outcome has a direct geographical effect on all of us here in Europe, with Israel there is no real need to take sides outside of the geo political sphere, morality has no real place in politics as the lack of action with the Rwandan genocide showed, decisions are taken for selfish reasons only. This is why there is no call for ceasefire and the body count in Gaza doesn't matter, the West has picked a side based on influence in the region and that's all that matters. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Oct 31, 2023 17:30:20 GMT
Nationalism is exclusivism and that’s Fascist. That's a simplistic way to look at it. Nationalism was driving force in the push for several nations to become independent of the Soviet Union for example. Was that fascism from their part? That was not nationalism, that’s becoming sovereign and independent. Nationalism when there is no or limited globalism or internationalism as the order of state and minority populations are excluded from the benefits of society. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 31, 2023 17:34:07 GMT
Nationalism is exclusivism and that’s Fascist. That's a simplistic way too look at it. Nationalism was driving force in the push for several nations to become independent of the Soviet Union for example. Was that fascism from their part? Everything about this poster is simplistic. |
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 31, 2023 17:56:56 GMT
That's a simplistic way to look at it. Nationalism was driving force in the push for several nations to become independent of the Soviet Union for example. Was that fascism from their part? That was not nationalism, that’s becoming sovereign and independent. Nationalism when there is no or limited globalism or internationalism as the order of state and minority populations are excluded from the benefits of society. It was nationalism. It was the idea that that Estonians, Georgians, Lithuanians, Ukrainians etc. were a nation that drove them to leave the Soviet Union. Also another example: the breakup of Jugoslavia. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 18:00:12 GMT
Rephrase that into something more intelligible. Learned to read better, dummy. And get an education so you know what the smart people are talking about. ^^^^^^ THAT!^^^^^^ |
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Post by SciFive on Oct 31, 2023 19:01:50 GMT
I might be wrong but I think it's harder to convert to Judaism than it is to convert to Islam and I think the two religions have different approaches to proselytization. Judaism does not proselytize because it’s an exclusive religion. But it’s not hard to convert. And to leave Christianity out of this aggressive proselytization comparison is silly. Islam has far more in common with Christianity with Islam as it started as a heretical Christian sect. You are massively stupid. It takes 18 months to get a valid conversion that is accepted by a valid Jewish court. Israel considers people to become legally Jewish ONLY in this situation. It takes less than 18 seconds to become a Muslim. |
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Post by SciFive on Oct 31, 2023 19:06:36 GMT
Israel doesn’t allow proselytizing because Judaism is a heck of a lot of responsibility and it’s also very difficult to convert.
Also, people hate Jews so no one wants anyone to go through this unless they are really committed to the conversion.
IT IS NOT BECAUSE JUDAISM IS AN EXCLUSIVIST RELIGION OR HOWEVER PAULINE PUT IT.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 19:22:22 GMT
Just think of how much future grief would have been spared if Mohammed had decided to bypass Israel. For someone so wise he sure messed up.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 31, 2023 19:22:58 GMT
Judaism does not proselytize because it’s an exclusive religion. But it’s not hard to convert. And to leave Christianity out of this aggressive proselytization comparison is silly. Islam has far more in common with Christianity with Islam as it started as a heretical Christian sect. You are massively stupid. It takes 18 months to get a valid conversion that is accepted by a valid Jewish court. Israel considers people to become legally Jewish ONLY in this situation. It takes less than 18 seconds to become a Muslim. Thanks. I could have told her, but I doubt she would have believed me. ![[grin]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/CBubFSUbXfyoLMZUjeBb.gif) |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 1, 2023 0:48:35 GMT
That's a simplistic way too look at it. Nationalism was driving force in the push for several nations to become independent of the Soviet Union for example. Was that fascism from their part? Everything about this poster is simplistic. Or so complex, you mistake for it simple. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 1, 2023 0:50:51 GMT
Just think of how much future grief would have been spared if Mohammed had decided to bypass Israel. For someone so wise he sure messed up. The historical theory is, Mohammad was from Jerusalem or based his camel transport company there. |
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Post by Deplorable Fascist Garbage on Nov 1, 2023 0:52:42 GMT
There are already fifty Muslim majority nations. Is this not relevant at all?Not particularly. I think many of us have spent enough time here to see the reaction to Muslim refugees + immigrants migrating to Western nations. All the reactions of changing the culture upon arrival or turning the nation in which they settle into the nation they came from says all we need to know about how a Muslim majority nation deposited suddenly in the middle of Europe or North America would be received. only Muslim immigrants, or refugees, aren't really immigrants or refugees, they are colonists |
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