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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 18:14:40 GMT
Nonsense. Drax was a regular sparring partner for guys like Adam Warlock or Silver Surfer. Anyone who followed Adam Warlock would have been familiar with Drax. Gamora was Thanos' most famous daughter and was pretty much the cosmic equivalent of Elektra. You don't get the title of "Most dangerous woman in the universe" without Marvel putting a bit of effort into showcasing the character. Both of them were also core members of the Infinity Watch which had its own comic run. Sure they weren't as popular as guys like Thor or Ironman, but they certainly weren't as obscure as Agatha Harkness or Echo. And unlike Echo or Agatha Harkness, both Drax and Gamora have made a number of appearances in Marvel cartoons and computer games. They were as well known as Spiderman? Also, don't ever like Ackbar's garbage replies to someone you want to have a conversation with. He's the internet version of an STD. Just a bit of advice. It instantly ruins your credibility when you find that failed abortion funny. His real mistake was trying to have a conversation with you!
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Post by Lux on Jan 13, 2024 18:16:56 GMT
They were as well known as Spiderman? Also, don't ever like Ackbar's garbage replies to someone you want to have a conversation with. He's the internet version of an STD. Just a bit of advice. It instantly ruins your credibility when you find that failed abortion funny. Spiderman? No Marvel character is as popular as Spiderman. Even Thor or Ironman were not as popular as Spiderman before their movies came out. If you're bringing up Spiderman in this discussion then I don't think you understand the context of the discussion. The discussion here is comparing C-D tier characters like Drax and Gamora to F tier characters like Echo and Agatha. Nobody is comparing them to an A-list character like Spiderman. As for liking responses, I like responses based on what they say, not based on who they're from. That you even had to comment about it makes you look extremely insecure. "Nobody knows who you are either"? What exactly is that toddler gibberish saying?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 18:19:07 GMT
It’s silly to pretend that Echo isn’t as obscure as it gets. I’m not a huge comics expert but even I know that Guardians did have a big cult following in the comic book community and those characters crossed over quite a bit throughout the last 30+ years of Marvel comics. They were not household names to the general public but even they are completely different than Echo. Those who equate the two simply don’t know what they are talking about or, since it’s Anwar and Lux we are talking about, they’re likely just trolling.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jan 13, 2024 18:28:02 GMT
All I know is that I'm fine with obscure characters getting a show or movie. It's better than constantly getting Batman, Xmen or even Spider-Man movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 18:30:59 GMT
Spiderman? No Marvel character is as popular as Spiderman. Even Thor or Ironman were not as popular as Spiderman before their movies came out. If you're bringing up Spiderman in this discussion then I don't think you understand the context of the discussion. The discussion here is comparing C-D tier characters like Drax and Gamora to F tier characters like Echo and Agatha. Nobody is comparing them to an A-list character like Spiderman. As for liking responses, I like responses based on what they say, not based on who they're from. That you even had to comment about it makes you look extremely insecure. "Nobody knows who you are either"? What exactly is that toddler gibberish saying? Well, it’s true, isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 18:50:14 GMT
All I know is that I'm fine with obscure characters getting a show or movie. It's better than constantly getting Batman, Xmen or even Spider-Man movies. Yeah but just where in the hell is Squirrel Girl?! Echo gets a series before Squirrel Girl?! That’s nuts
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 19:10:17 GMT
With this kind of "Not important enough!" thinking, the MCU wouldn't exist in the first place. The Avengers? That’s a top tier Marvel property. I remember people being extremely excited for that movie. It was a massive event! What are you on about, Sam?
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Post by skaathar on Jan 13, 2024 19:33:09 GMT
All I know is that I'm fine with obscure characters getting a show or movie. It's better than constantly getting Batman, Xmen or even Spider-Man movies. I both agree and disagree. There's a difference between lesser known characters vs. characters that are completely unknown. It's the difference between Ronan vs. Dar-Benn. Or The Punisher vs. Night Thrasher. Adam Warlock vs. Red Shift. I love lesser-known characters getting their own shows, but when it comes to the extremely obscure characters (like Echo), well, let's just say that they are that obscure mostly because they weren't interesting characters to begin with. So instead of giving bottom-of-the-barrel characters like her a show of her own, why not put that money and effort towards other chracters with a more proven track record who aren't quite as popular as A-listers like Batman or Spiderman? Instead of Echo, why not give Elektra a series? Instead of Agatha Harkness why not use Enchantress or even Morgan Le Fey?
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jan 13, 2024 20:24:35 GMT
All I know is that I'm fine with obscure characters getting a show or movie. It's better than constantly getting Batman, Xmen or even Spider-Man movies. I both agree and disagree. There's a difference between lesser known characters vs. characters that are completely unknown. It's the difference between Ronan vs. Dar-Benn. Or The Punisher vs. Night Thrasher. Adam Warlock vs. Red Shift. I love lesser-known characters getting their own shows, but when it comes to the extremely obscure characters (like Echo), well, let's just say that they are that obscure mostly because they weren't interesting characters to begin with. So instead of giving bottom-of-the-barrel characters like her a show of her own, why not put that money and effort towards other chracters with a more proven track record who aren't quite as popular as A-listers like Batman or Spiderman? Instead of Echo, why not give Elektra a series? Instead of Agatha Harkness why not use Enchantress or even Morgan Le Fey? Ok the problem with that is Guardians of the Galaxy was once called "The bottom of the barrel" Besides it's a Disney+ series anyway, it's not hurting anything.
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Post by skaathar on Jan 13, 2024 21:32:54 GMT
I both agree and disagree. There's a difference between lesser known characters vs. characters that are completely unknown. It's the difference between Ronan vs. Dar-Benn. Or The Punisher vs. Night Thrasher. Adam Warlock vs. Red Shift. I love lesser-known characters getting their own shows, but when it comes to the extremely obscure characters (like Echo), well, let's just say that they are that obscure mostly because they weren't interesting characters to begin with. So instead of giving bottom-of-the-barrel characters like her a show of her own, why not put that money and effort towards other chracters with a more proven track record who aren't quite as popular as A-listers like Batman or Spiderman? Instead of Echo, why not give Elektra a series? Instead of Agatha Harkness why not use Enchantress or even Morgan Le Fey? Ok the problem with that is Guardians of the Galaxy was once called "The bottom of the barrel" Besides it's a Disney+ series anyway, it's not hurting anything. Like I mentioned in my previous posts, Guardians of the Galaxy aren't bottom of the barrel. At least not all of them. Drax and Gamora are decently known in the comicbook community. Even Rocket and Groot are more recognizable than someone like Agatha or Dar-Benn. And yes, D+ can absolutely hurt the MCU... which is exactly what's happening right now. Those shows cost a ton of time and money to make and will hurt the MCU's ability to make more if they aren't received well.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jan 13, 2024 22:01:06 GMT
; Ok the problem with that is Guardians of the Galaxy was once called "The bottom of the barrel" Besides it's a Disney+ series anyway, it's not hurting anything. Like I mentioned in my previous posts, Guardians of the Galaxy aren't bottom of the barrel. At least not all of them. Drax and Gamora are decently known in the comicbook community. Even Rocket and Groot are more recognizable than someone like Agatha or Dar-Benn. And yes, D+ can absolutely hurt the MCU... which is exactly what's happening right now. Those shows cost a ton of time and money to make and will hurt the MCU's ability to make more if they aren't received well. But Guardians was still called the bottom of the barrel when the movie was announced. Echo been around since the late 90's, it's not like she was a recent comic book character randomly thrown into the MCU.
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Post by skaathar on Jan 13, 2024 23:17:46 GMT
; Like I mentioned in my previous posts, Guardians of the Galaxy aren't bottom of the barrel. At least not all of them. Drax and Gamora are decently known in the comicbook community. Even Rocket and Groot are more recognizable than someone like Agatha or Dar-Benn. And yes, D+ can absolutely hurt the MCU... which is exactly what's happening right now. Those shows cost a ton of time and money to make and will hurt the MCU's ability to make more if they aren't received well. But Guardians was still called the bottom of the barrel when the movie was announced. Echo been around since the late 90's, it's not like she was a recent comic book character randomly thrown into the MCU. GotG has been around since the 70's and had their own comic run. Not to mention that a number of their members had other running serieses as well (like the aforementioned Drax and Gamora). Echo has been a side character since her inception. To claim that GotG is as obscure as Echo is like claiming Ironman is as obscure as GotG. There's different gradients to this, and Echo is at the bottom of the barrel whereas GotG is closer to just below the mid line. Eternals is probably around the same level as GotG.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jan 13, 2024 23:37:10 GMT
; But Guardians was still called the bottom of the barrel when the movie was announced. Echo been around since the late 90's, it's not like she was a recent comic book character randomly thrown into the MCU. GotG has been around since the 70's and had their own comic run. Not to mention that a number of their members had other running serieses as well (like the aforementioned Drax and Gamora). Echo has been a side character since her inception. To claim that GotG is as obscure as Echo is like claiming Ironman is as obscure as GotG. There's different gradients to this, and Echo is at the bottom of the barrel whereas GotG is closer to just below the mid line. Eternals is probably around the same level as GotG. Let's be honest Guardians of the Galaxy was absolutely obscure to the general audience. Obviously those who read comics were familiar with them, but outside of that who honestly actually cared about the Guardians of the Galaxy before the movies were made? I don't get this mentality that because Echo wasn't as well known that she shouldn't have her own show. Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Black Widow, Inhumans, The Defenders Cloak and Dagger and The Runaways were not well known to the public but they still got a movie or series and with the exception of The Inhumans, generally most of them were well received by the public.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jan 13, 2024 23:39:32 GMT
Hell if you really want to be honest, audiences didn't know or care about Iron Man until that movie was made.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 14, 2024 0:00:57 GMT
They should have made Hawkeye about Hawkeye and made a second series about that. I’m sorry if he’s just another white guy.
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