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Post by faustus5 on Dec 31, 2023 12:25:30 GMT
Are you denying there could a national security issue. All I am denying is that there were any scientific advances in the study of UFO's during 2023. Nothing new was learned, nothing happened that hasn't been happening for decades, arguably centuries.
But you keep imagining in your head that I am saying something else. Telling, isn't it?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 12:40:43 GMT
All light is energy and all energy was created at once. there is nothing different between light from an artificial source and light from the sun. Photons are photons.
All one wave.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 12:41:47 GMT
Are you denying there could a national security issue. All I am denying is that there were any scientific advances in the study of UFO's during 2023. Nothing new was learned, nothing happened that hasn't been happening for decades, arguably centuries.
But you keep imagining in your head that I am saying something else. Telling, isn't it? The title says historic progress, not scientific advances. Big difference. Telling that you jumped to that conclusion.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 31, 2023 12:44:13 GMT
there is nothing different between light from an artificial source and light from the sun. Photons are photons.
All one wave. The wavelengths are the same. But it's like saying a VW bug going 55 mph and a Lamborghini going 55 are the same car
Or are you trying to say that the photons from my lamp, the Sun and the Sombrero Galaxy the same.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 13:03:38 GMT
The wavelengths are the same. But it's like saying a VW bug going 55 mph and a Lamborghini going 55 are the same car
Or are you trying to say that the photons from my lamp, the Sun and the Sombrero Galaxy the same.
I’m saying it’s all energy. You got photons in your brain that carries the information in your head to get mixed and mingled into new thought photons. That 💡 thing is close to the truth. We have exhausted everything those UAPs can be and our education tells us they don’t exist, yet there they are. Less than 100 years ago, we thought the Milky Way was all there was. Some guy in 1900 said all physics had been discovered, then they discovered a subatomic realm with more energy deep inside one atom than we could imagine at the time and universe has billions of Milky Ways. I don’t trust your impossible.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 31, 2023 13:12:23 GMT
All I am denying is that there were any scientific advances in the study of UFO's during 2023. Nothing new was learned, nothing happened that hasn't been happening for decades, arguably centuries.
But you keep imagining in your head that I am saying something else. Telling, isn't it? The title says historic progress, not scientific advances. Big difference. Telling that you jumped to that conclusion. The title says historic PROGRESS in SCIENCE. But there was literally no progress in the science of UFO's in 2023. None. Zip. Zero.
Nothing new was learned, nothing new happened.
So now the question becomes: why do you (and Salon, for that matter) want to pretend otherwise? What need is this act of pure imagination on your part supposed to satisfy?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 31, 2023 13:22:30 GMT
The wavelengths are the same. But it's like saying a VW bug going 55 mph and a Lamborghini going 55 are the same car
Or are you trying to say that the photons from my lamp, the Sun and the Sombrero Galaxy the same.
I’m saying it’s all energy. You got photons in your brain that carries the information in your head to get mixed and mingled into new thought photons. That 💡 thing is close to the truth. We have exhausted everything those UAPs can be and our education tells us they don’t exist, yet there they are. Less than 100 years ago, we thought the Milky Way was all there was. Some guy in 1900 said all physics had been discovered, then they discovered a subatomic realm with more energy deep inside one atom than we could imagine at the time and universe has billions of Milky Ways. I don’t trust your impossible. Sigh
Even if we could get a ship to hit the speed of light, the furthest star is Alpha Centauri. 4.5 ly away. So a nine year round trip. Imagine the amount of food, water, medicine that you would have to have for nine years in space. The fastest spacecraft we made, the Voyagers, would reach 4.5 ly (they aren't going in A Centaurti's direction) would take 27,000+ years.
Short of some silly Sci-Fi Deus ex Machina like warpspeed or foldspace (which would create a ton of paradoxes), interstellar travel is impossible. But I'm willing to hear your scientifically provable reasons it is possible
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 13:34:32 GMT
The title says historic progress, not scientific advances. Big difference. Telling that you jumped to that conclusion. The title says historic PROGRESS in SCIENCE. But there was literally no progress in the science of UFO's in 2023. None. Zip. Zero.
Nothing new was learned, nothing new happened.
So now the question becomes: why do you (and Salon, for that matter) want to pretend otherwise? What need is this act of pure imagination on your part supposed to satisfy?
The title says 2023 marked historic progress for UFO science. There people who study UFOs using the scientific method. They always have. That’s what Project Bluebook was. The UFO progress has been the government acknowledgement they have been studying it secretly for years. It is national security issue. You can disagree with the article, but you are saying this article shouldn’t even be written or appear in Salon. That’s silly. When I posted this, I didn’t expect such a negative reaction. Damn.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 13:48:25 GMT
I’m saying it’s all energy. You got photons in your brain that carries the information in your head to get mixed and mingled into new thought photons. That 💡 thing is close to the truth. We have exhausted everything those UAPs can be and our education tells us they don’t exist, yet there they are. Less than 100 years ago, we thought the Milky Way was all there was. Some guy in 1900 said all physics had been discovered, then they discovered a subatomic realm with more energy deep inside one atom than we could imagine at the time and universe has billions of Milky Ways. I don’t trust your impossible. Sigh Even if we could get a ship to hit the speed of light, the furthest star is Alpha Centauri. 4.5 ly away. So a nine year round trip. Imagine the amount of food, water, medicine that you would have to have for nine years in space. The fastest spacecraft we made, the Voyagers, would reach 4.5 ly (they aren't going in A Centaurti's direction) would take 27,000+ years. Short of some silly Sci-Fi Deus ex Machina like warpspeed or foldspace (which would create a ton of paradoxes), interstellar travel is impossible. But I'm willing to hear your scientifically provable reasons it is possible
I’m just presented an article about activities in the UFO community. It had zero in it about proving UFOs are real. You know, smartass, I can’t prove it, but I posted nothing to be proven. Goddamn, can we not just read something different on this News board? It could be none of the above. The intelligences manning those high speed spheres, if that’s what they are, could have been here for a million of years. Who knows. We assume these are biological intelligences, they could be pure projections. My point is, stopping thinking inside the box. We know the box gets busted all the time. Because human beings haven’t thought it up yet does not mean it can’t be done. And if the Universe is ultimately infinite, then there are infinite possibilities. Keep watching the sky.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 31, 2023 13:55:50 GMT
There people who study UFOs using the scientific method. They always have. That’s what Project Bluebook was. Yes, those people exist. They learned and did absolutely nothing noteworthy in all of 2023.We've known the government has been studying UFO's for years, sometimes in a classified manner. So this is no admission at all, nothing new. And no doubt they've considered it a national security issue the whole time. That is a reasonable stance to take. But there's nothing new here to be concerned about. Nothing has changed. I don't disagree with any of the factual content in the article--and it was mostly factual content. It's just that you and the Salon author are inventing implications that are not justified by any data. You and Salon want to believe something really exciting happened this year, but if you know anything about the subject and its history, 2023 was not significant in any way.
Government agencies have confirmed that people have been seeing things they can't identify for decades. Not big news.
Such hearings are meaningless theater unless they result in measurable, demonstrable policy changes that in turn produce new results. Get back to me when this happens.
Please, please tell me you were high or hadn't drunk enough coffee this morning and that you didn't mean to type that actual sentence of English.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 31, 2023 13:56:54 GMT
Sorry, but this is all nonsense. If the World Governments had any reason at all to suspect we were having Alien visitors, there would be a shit ton more than 16 people from NASA on the case.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 14:01:23 GMT
There people who study UFOs using the scientific method. They always have. That’s what Project Bluebook was. Yes, those people exist. They learned and did absolutely nothing noteworthy in all of 2023.We've known the government has been studying UFO's for years, sometimes in a classified manner. So this is no admission at all, nothing new. And no doubt they've considered it a national security issue the whole time. That is a reasonable stance to take. But there's nothing new here to be concerned about. Nothing has changed. I don't disagree with any of the factual content in the article--and it was mostly factual content. It's just that you and the Salon author are inventing implications that are not justified by any data. You and Salon want to believe something really exciting happened this year, but if you know anything about the subject and its history, 2023 was not significant in any way.
Government agencies have confirmed that people have been seeing things they can't identify for decades. Not big news.
Such hearings are meaningless theater unless they result in measurable, demonstrable policy changes that in turn produce new results. Get back to me when this happens.
Please, please tell me you were high or hadn't drunk enough coffee this morning and that you didn't mean to type that actual sentence of English. Not matter what say, you can’t deny progress was made in the field of UFO science in 2023 because I just published it above.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 14:02:38 GMT
Sorry, but this is all nonsense. If the World Governments had any reason at all to suspect we were having Alien visitors, there would be a shit ton more than 16 people from NASA on the case. They do. It’s being farmed out to contractors.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 31, 2023 14:07:29 GMT
What are you sure of? That there is no other sentient life in the galaxy? That it would be impossible for aliens to travel across dozens or hundreds or thousands of light years to get here? That if aliens DID come here, they would certainly make themselves known? I don't think aliens have actually been here, mainly because according to our current understanding of the laws of physics interstellar travel is all but impossible, but I can't understand how anyone can dismiss the possibility out of hand. I meant regarding Ufology. These so-called UFO sightings have been bogus so far. No alien has ever visited Earth. There must be life somewhere. I doubt we'll see alien contact in our lifetime. Maybe hundreds of years from now. Who knows. The problem is that the distances are so vast that we would need to be able to circumvent physics. The nearest star to our own is 4.2 light years away. This means that at the speed of light it will take nearly 9 years to spend and receive a message. If the Aliens were in Andromeda, then it would take 5,000,000 years to get a reply.
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Post by mrellaguru on Dec 31, 2023 14:10:45 GMT
Even with our current understanding aren't there things like wormholes that would make faster interstellar travel possible...
There other explanation for all the UAPs are they are angels. So UFO/UAP are: Aliens Angels or Don't believe your lying eyes. Some evangelicals say that UFO phenomena must be demons because aliens aren't in the bible.
There's also a conspiracy theory called Project Blue Beam that maintains that the powers that be will employ a fake alien invasion using holograms as the basis for a one world government and new world order.
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