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Post by SciFive on Apr 24, 2024 16:15:19 GMT
Mahmoud Abbas and other Arabs recite this plan almost every single time they open their mouths.
It's where they talk about Israel returning to the "pre-1967 lines" (i.e., the 1949 cease fire lines) regardless of the fact that 800,000 Jews currently live on this land that the Pals demand.
They also say (every time they open their mouths, pretty much) that the Pals' capital would be Jerusalem. (The "eastern" part where hundreds of thousands of Jews live).
They also talk about the "right of return" (7 million Arabs who demand to move into Israel) and releasing all the Pal prisoners from Israeli prisons, although they don't say these two parts as often.
Watch the quotes from these guys. They say these things all the time although Israel hasn't agreed to any of it. Absolutely none of it.
And this plan has been accepted by most of the UN? Evidence of this? Something like 147 countries have recognized "Palestine" as a full state.
None of them say "However it turns out". They are expecting the one that the Pals are selling without Israel's permission although it means suicidal concessions from Israel to make it all happen.
The Pals themselves are not declaring statehood yet until Israel agrees to their terms (which will never happen) but they are seeking the UN Security Council to go around Israel so that the Pals can be recognized for their definition of their state that includes half of Jerusalem and other dangerous concessions from Israel.
This is why the U.S. vetoed it.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 16:30:07 GMT
No Palestinian state.
Israel will handle the security from the Jordan River to the Sea.
Use your slave state to fund your military and slowly take the land. Israel is the opposite of a "slave state". It is a free country, which is dramatic, considering that most of its neighbors are not free.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 24, 2024 16:34:12 GMT
Use your slave state to fund your military and slowly take the land. Israel is the opposite of a "slave state". It is a free country, which is dramatic, considering that most of its neighbors are not free. No, the US is Israel's slave state.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 16:38:52 GMT
The Palestinians fucked themselves over on Oct 7th (and by 90% of the rest of them agreeing with it).
They will never be trusted in any way again.
The terror groups will have to be removed and then the civilians can live decent lives without them.
They won't be a state, though.
Terrorism is the poor man's military, they have no army so things like Hamas are all the defense they can muster. This doesn't end until they're liberated and hopefully we get liberated from you too, since we hand over billions we are effectively your servants. Terrorism is the poor man's military, they have no army so things like Hamas are all the defense they can muster.Sorry, but Hamas engages in the OPPOSITE of defense. It repeatedly blitzed Israeli towns with rockets, which caused the Israelis to eventually get fed up and to invade Gaza. Then Hamas launched the October 7 massacre, which again led to an Israeli invasion of Gaza. In the same way, people claim that Hezbollah is "defending" Lebanon, but Hezbollah's murderous actions led to an Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 2006. This doesn't end until they're liberated
The Palestinians act in such a way that have postponed, possibly indefinitely, their "liberation". Every Israeli concession is taken as a sign of weakness and an invitation for more attacks. Israelis are united on the need to prevent a Palestinian state. and hopefully we get liberated from you too, since we hand over billions we are effectively your servants.It is the leftists and Islamists who want us to be their servants, with their endless protests essentially saying "Turn against Israel, or else." I hope we get liberated from them.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 16:41:07 GMT
Israel is the opposite of a "slave state". It is a free country, which is dramatic, considering that most of its neighbors are not free. No, the US is Israel's slave state. Israel is a free country. And that fact that leftists and Islamists hate Israel so much is just icing on the cake.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 26, 2024 8:17:04 GMT
And this plan has been accepted by most of the UN? Evidence of this? Something like 147 countries have recognized "Palestine" as a full state.
None of them say "However it turns out". They are expecting the one that the Pals are selling without Israel's permission although it means suicidal concessions from Israel to make it all happen.
The Pals themselves are not declaring statehood yet until Israel agrees to their terms (which will never happen) but they are seeking the UN Security Council to go around Israel so that the Pals can be recognized for their definition of their state that includes half of Jerusalem and other dangerous concessions from Israel.
This is why the U.S. vetoed it.
Of course most of them recognized the PLO as the representative of Palestine, not Hamas, and the PLO has officially endorsed the two state solution. They also recognized the right to exist of Israel. Later they suspended the recognition until Israel recognizes Palestine as a state which under Netanyahu's government, Israel has refused to even consider. So which goes to back to what I said, no one wants a two state solution with Hamas in charge of Palestine and any real two state solution requires mutually recognition of each other and clear defined borders. The issues of right of return, borders and the status of Jerusalem it's something that needs to be negotiated but this idea the the two state solution means Israel suicide is ridiculous. If there is a two state solution, Palestine gets to be responsible for it's actions. Until then, well their status is of an occupied people and under that status, they have right to resist occupation. Keeping the status quo will not bring peace to Israel.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 26, 2024 8:27:35 GMT
Something like 147 countries have recognized "Palestine" as a full state.
None of them say "However it turns out". They are expecting the one that the Pals are selling without Israel's permission although it means suicidal concessions from Israel to make it all happen.
The Pals themselves are not declaring statehood yet until Israel agrees to their terms (which will never happen) but they are seeking the UN Security Council to go around Israel so that the Pals can be recognized for their definition of their state that includes half of Jerusalem and other dangerous concessions from Israel.
This is why the U.S. vetoed it.
Of course most of them recognized the PLO as the representative of Palestine, not Hamas, and the PLO has officially endorsed the two state solution. They also recognized the right to exist of Israel. Later they suspended the recognition until Israel recognizes Palestine as a state which under Netanyahu's government, Israel has refused to even consider. So which goes to back to what I said, no one wants a two state solution with Hamas in charge of Palestine and any real two state solution requires mutually recognition of each other and clear defined borders. The issues of right of return, borders and the status of Jerusalem it's something that needs to be negotiated but this idea the the two state solution means Israel suicide is ridiculous. If there is a two state solution, Palestine gets to be responsible for it's actions. Until then, well their status is of an occupied people and under that status, they have right to resist occupation. Keeping the status quo will not bring peace to Israel. Clearly defined borders are impossible if Jerusalem is divided. This is what the serial killer Palestinian Authority is demanding. Fatah recently put suicide bombings back on the table, by the way. The Palestinian Authority Fatah. These people can’t be left alone to do what they want. They all (the leaders) still promise to acquire all of Israel. Israel can’t give them a thing.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 26, 2024 8:57:49 GMT
Of course most of them recognized the PLO as the representative of Palestine, not Hamas, and the PLO has officially endorsed the two state solution. They also recognized the right to exist of Israel. Later they suspended the recognition until Israel recognizes Palestine as a state which under Netanyahu's government, Israel has refused to even consider. So which goes to back to what I said, no one wants a two state solution with Hamas in charge of Palestine and any real two state solution requires mutually recognition of each other and clear defined borders. The issues of right of return, borders and the status of Jerusalem it's something that needs to be negotiated but this idea the the two state solution means Israel suicide is ridiculous. If there is a two state solution, Palestine gets to be responsible for it's actions. Until then, well their status is of an occupied people and under that status, they have right to resist occupation. Keeping the status quo will not bring peace to Israel. Clearly defined borders are impossible if Jerusalem is divided. This is what the serial killer Palestinian Authority is demanding. Fatah recently put suicide bombings back on the table, by the way. The Palestinian Authority Fatah. These people can’t be left alone to do what they want. They all (the leaders) still promise to acquire all of Israel. Israel can’t give them a thing. Israel existed for a couple of decades with Jerusalem divided. So not really impossible. And also irrelevant. That's why negotiations have to happen for a two state solution to exist.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Apr 26, 2024 9:00:06 GMT
Let's talk about the peace offer....
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 26, 2024 9:38:41 GMT
Nancy Pelosi: Netanyahu is 'obstacle' to the two-state solutionFormer House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu an "obstacle to the two-state solution," insisting that he resign his position. In an interview with RTÉ's Six One News in Ireland, Pelosi said, "We recognize Israel's right to protect itself. We reject the policy and the practice of Netanyahu. Terrible. What could be worse than what he has done in response?" She added, "I don't know whether he's afraid of peace, incapable of peace, or just doesn't want peace, but he has been an obstacle to the two-state solution." www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388966Good for Bibi!!!! It’s not true, though. A very solid majority of the citizens of Israel don’t want it either. The Knesset recently voted 99 (out of 120 votes) against the two state solution. It would be suicide for Israel. There are two cultures whether there are two states or not. The only question is whether it can last. You keep claiming (gleefully) that Hamas wants to eliminate Israel, and your solution to that is to eliminate them. ?!?!? You don't see yourselves in others? I have tried to explain to you that sensible people will not put up with that forever. As long as you try to solve the problem with violence it will go on forever. That is just how violence does not work. You only have two other choices, learn to share the area, or get out of it.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 26, 2024 9:43:21 GMT
Nancy Pelosi: Netanyahu is 'obstacle' to the two-state solutionFormer House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu an "obstacle to the two-state solution," insisting that he resign his position. In an interview with RTÉ's Six One News in Ireland, Pelosi said, "We recognize Israel's right to protect itself. We reject the policy and the practice of Netanyahu. Terrible. What could be worse than what he has done in response?" She added, "I don't know whether he's afraid of peace, incapable of peace, or just doesn't want peace, but he has been an obstacle to the two-state solution." www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388966Good for Bibi!!!! It’s not true, though. A very solid majority of the citizens of Israel don’t want it either. The Knesset recently voted 99 (out of 120 votes) against the two state solution. It would be suicide for Israel. There are two cultures whether there are two states or not. The only question is whether it can last. You keep claiming (gleefully) that Hamas wants to eliminate Israel, and your solution to that is to eliminate them. ?!?!? You don't see yourselves in others? I have tried to explain to you that sensible people will not put up with that forever. As long as you try to solve the problem with violence it will go on forever. That is just how violence does not work. You only have two other choices, learn to share the area, or get out of it. Hamas is ISIS and Al Qaeda. Obama killed Osama bin Laden.
There is no way to make peace with Jihadists. Obama knew this.
Israel is stuck with the "superior knowledge" (haha) of western diplomats who tried to force Israel to make peace with Jihadi terrorists 30 years ago. It was a failure.
The only answer is to get the Jihadi terror groups out. They are dangerous for everyone. They exist in Germany and the German government knows that this is very bad news.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 26, 2024 9:49:09 GMT
There are two cultures whether there are two states or not. The only question is whether it can last. You keep claiming (gleefully) that Hamas wants to eliminate Israel, and your solution to that is to eliminate them. ?!?!? You don't see yourselves in others? I have tried to explain to you that sensible people will not put up with that forever. As long as you try to solve the problem with violence it will go on forever. That is just how violence does not work. You only have two other choices, learn to share the area, or get out of it. Hamas is ISIS and Al Qaeda. Obama killed Osama bin Laden.
There is no way to make peace with Jihadists. Obama knew this.
Israel is stuck with the "superior knowledge" (haha) of western diplomats who tried to force Israel to make peace with Jihadi terrorists 30 years ago. It was a failure.
The only answer is to get the Jihadi terror groups out. They are dangerous for everyone. They exist in Germany and the German government knows this is very bad news.
If that is true, and I hope it is not, then you would have to move out. Hurry up then and move out. You are not going to be able to kill them all. Again for emphasis, you are not going to be able to kill them all.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 26, 2024 12:58:29 GMT
Hamas is ISIS and Al Qaeda. Obama killed Osama bin Laden.
There is no way to make peace with Jihadists. Obama knew this.
Israel is stuck with the "superior knowledge" (haha) of western diplomats who tried to force Israel to make peace with Jihadi terrorists 30 years ago. It was a failure.
The only answer is to get the Jihadi terror groups out. They are dangerous for everyone. They exist in Germany and the German government knows this is very bad news. The Jewish people have invested 160 years into building Israel.
Medieval assholes like Hamas won't take this away from us.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 26, 2024 13:03:48 GMT
Clearly defined borders are impossible if Jerusalem is divided. This is what the serial killer Palestinian Authority is demanding. Fatah recently put suicide bombings back on the table, by the way. The Palestinian Authority Fatah. These people can’t be left alone to do what they want. They all (the leaders) still promise to acquire all of Israel. Israel can’t give them a thing. Israel existed for a couple of decades with Jerusalem divided. So not really impossible. And also irrelevant. That's why negotiations have to happen for a two state solution to exist. There were clearly defined borders when Jerusalem was split from 1949 to 1967.
This was 57 years ago.
It can't be reproduced today with hundreds of thousands of additional people living in Israel's capital today.
As for negotiations, the Palestinians won't do it. They want what they've said they want and they won't accept absolutely anything less.
Even if they were willing to negotiate for a reasonable deal, it wouldn't bring peace.
Their leaders have sworn a billion times to their people that they will be acquiring all of Israel.
No peace deal is possible with these guys.
"From the river to the Sea" is what they intend to get, regardless of the terms of a two state solution.
They don't pretend otherwise.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 26, 2024 13:05:54 GMT
Israel existed for a couple of decades with Jerusalem divided. So not really impossible. And also irrelevant. That's why negotiations have to happen for a two state solution to exist. There were clearly defined borders when Jerusalem was split from 1949 to 1967.
This was 57 years ago.
It can't be reproduced today with hundreds of thousands of additional people living in Israel's capital today.
As for negotiations, the Palestinians won't do it. They want what they've said they want and they won't accept absolutely anything less.
Even if they were willing to negotiate for a reasonable deal, it wouldn't bring peace.
Their leaders have sworn a billion times to their people that they will be acquiring all of Israel.
No peace deal is possible with these guys.
And under Netanyahu, the Israelis won't do it either. That's the thing, there are people on both sides who refuse to any sort of compromise and this is the result.
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