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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 15:19:14 GMT
It is sickening to see these asshole students openly supporting terrorism. Because supporting terrorists is what these ignorant little cunts are doing on university campuses. It is revolting, and the squatter camps springing up at the university should be shut down immediately. The ant-Semitism must also be shut down immediately. Hamas and Putin must be rubbing their hands in glee. They are fighting for a just cause. Stopping the genocide in Gaza. There is no anti-semitism. The IDF is a terrorist organization. We need to cut funding to Israel. They are fighting for a just cause. Stopping the genocide in Gaza.
There is no Genocide in Gaza. 1.5% of the population of Gaza killed is not Genocide. There is no anti-semitism.
Wrong. Chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" means the destruction of Israel, which means violating the right of the Jewish people to self-determination. The IDF is a terrorist organization. Rubbish. The IDF goes out of its way to try to reduce civilian casualties. In contrast, the Palestinians deliberately try to kill civilians, as we saw dramatically on October 7. We need to cut funding to Israel.
We should continue to send weapons to Israel. The anti-Israel protesters showed their hand when they started chanting "Death to America".
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 25, 2024 15:19:53 GMT
The same people that seemingly spot evil and racism in every word Trump says..........somehow do not believe these other people when they openly say "Death to Israel"?
First off, abbey, if I could form a line of people woefully unqualified to talk about Israel, you would be near the end and obscured by fog. Second, "Death to Israel" isn't the chant we're talking about.
It's the SAME f'n people though.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 25, 2024 15:20:55 GMT
The anti-Israel protesters showed their hand when they started chanting "Death to America".
wait
Give Bart a chance to explain what they really meant
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 15:25:09 GMT
First off, abbey, if I could form a line of people woefully unqualified to talk about Israel, you would be near the end and obscured by fog. Second, "Death to Israel" isn't the chant we're talking about.
It's the SAME f'n people though.
So you say. And in truth, I wouldn't blame them if they did. They're seeing a steady flow of corpses out of Gaza. Outrage has skyrocketed and for a valid reason. Israel is just crushing these people. This is not the same as your white grievance issues or because you don't want to wear a mask or get a jab. People are pissed off because of a real atrocity.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 25, 2024 15:25:47 GMT
2020 is the worst thing to happen to this country in recent history. It rocked our foundation and we're never going to be the same again. Political violence is the norm now. It used to be something only extremists took part in, but is commonplace now. We are a third world country (in that sense) now. The two nominees for President won't even debate. This is what we are now.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 25, 2024 15:29:54 GMT
Brt: They're seeing a steady flow of corpses out of Gaza.
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No, they aren't.
The corpses of 34,000 people are nowhere to be found.
The bodies have mostly vanished into thin air.
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 15:36:26 GMT
Brt: They're seeing a steady flow of corpses out of Gaza. ======= No, they aren't. The corpses of 34,000 people are nowhere to be found. The bodies have mostly vanished into thin air. The fuck they have. One story that has not really been addressed here was the finding of mass graves in Gaza.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 15:39:40 GMT
I would not have, I am all for just causes. FFS, I was arrested and detained for protesting during apartheid. I spent six months in a military prison as well. You ever been to prison or jail, or put your life on the line little bart? Civil rights marches were about justice and equal rights, not supporting terrorists and promoting ant-Semitism.
Sure you did, jeff. However, if that was the case, then you know better than anybody that the West considered Mandela a terrorist at the time. So you were, hypothetically, supporting what was considered terrorism. And now we're back at that point again, time being a flat circle. The protesters want an end to the mass killing in Gaza and justice and equal rights to be given to Palestinians by their occupiers and what are they called? Terrorists. The protesters want an end to the mass killing in Gaza
The protesters have no problem with the mass killing of ISRAELIS. and justice and equal rights to be given to PalestiniansTheir slogan, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", means the destruction of Israel. It is a violation of the right of Israelis to self-determination, and it would make Jews a minority everywhere and a majority nowhere, as was the case during the Holocaust..
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 15:40:48 GMT
Sure you did, jeff. However, if that was the case, then you know better than anybody that the West considered Mandela a terrorist at the time. So you were, hypothetically, supporting what was considered terrorism. And now we're back at that point again, time being a flat circle. The protesters want an end to the mass killing in Gaza and justice and equal rights to be given to Palestinians by their occupiers and what are they called? Terrorists. The protesters want an end to the mass killing in Gaza
The protesters have no problem with the mass killing of ISRAELIS. and justice and equal rights to be given to PalestiniansTheir slogan, "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", means the destruction of Israel. It is a violation of the right of Israelis to self-determination, and it would make Jews a minority everywhere and a majority nowhere, as was the case during the Holocaust.. Already addressed elsewhere. What you want is to silence them. You could at least be open about that.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 15:44:24 GMT
Israel is not committing "genocide" you disingenuous doos. Empathy and compassion are not things I lack just because I don't shy away from the difficult truths. When I see bullshit and lies I call them out. It is a genocide. It is a fact and you need to accept that. The difficult truth is that the Netanyahu’s Israel is the modern day Nazi Germany. It is a shame that Israel has become the very thing it was once a victim of. Horseshit. It is the Palestinians who are like the Nazis. Read the Hamas charter. Here are some excerpts. avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.aspThe Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet has said: The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion', and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it. End Excerpts Hitler would have eagerly agreed with almost every word.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 15:49:19 GMT
And the same will be true of those who are opposed to this ethnic cleansing campaign and Israeli apartheid generally. History will tell them that they were right and the West was wrong yet again. Despite your best efforts. What rubbish. Israeli Arabs are citizens, have rights, vote, and serve in parliament, all of which is the OPPOSITE of apartheid. The Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, nor do they wish to be. They are under occupation, not because of apartheid, but to prevent them from launching more October 7 massacres.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 15:54:59 GMT
The Americans and Europeans who disapprove of Israel's actions do not have Gaza as a neighbor, did not lose friends and relatives on October 7, and do not have to worry about Hamas's promise to launch more October 7 massacres. Meanwhile, the vast majority of ISRAELIS approve of Israel's effort to destroy Hamas, and that is the only history that will matter to Israelis.
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 25, 2024 15:55:01 GMT
And the same will be true of those who are opposed to this ethnic cleansing campaign and Israeli apartheid generally. History will tell them that they were right and the West was wrong yet again. Despite your best efforts. What rubbish. Israeli Arabs are citizens, have rights, vote, and serve in parliament, all of which is the OPPOSITE of apartheid. The Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, nor do they wish to be. They are under occupation, not because of apartheid, but to prevent them from launching more October 7 massacres. Within Israel proper perhaps (debatable on other points) but not their occupied territories, which fall under their purview. And if that's the case, that Arabs are equals, why are you opposed to bringing in more Arabs?
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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 16:05:36 GMT
If you believe Palestinians would give equal rights to Jews in a one-state solution you are much dumber than I thought!
Well, I doubt they would, now. How many of their babies have the Israelis killed up to this point? However, that's a different sentiment than how mars would like to depict it. Whether naive or not, it's not calling for a genocide of Jews or taking away their rights. Well, I doubt they would, now. How many of their babies have the Israelis killed up to this point?
The Palestinians have been murderously hostile to Israelis even before October 7. They were murderously hostile to Israel even before Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. In fact, the Palestinians were murderously hostile to Jews even before they called themselves Palestinians and before Israel even declared independence. They launched attacks on Jews in 1920 and 1921, and full-fledged massacres in 1929 and 1938. However, that's a different sentiment than how mars would like to depict it. Whether naive or not, it's not calling for a genocide of Jews or taking away their rights.
Chanting "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is a call for the destruction of Israel and a violation of the right of Israelis to self-determination.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 25, 2024 16:12:45 GMT
They are FOR the rights of Palestinians.
Wrong. If they were, they would be angry at Lebanon for forcing Palestinians there to stay in refugee camps. And they would be angry at Syria for the Palestinians killed in Yarmouk refugee camp. They are not FOR Palestinians, but merely AGAINST Israel. From the river to the sea in this context means the one-state solution where Palestinians have equal rights
The one-state "solution" means the destruction of Israel, an obvious violation of the right of Israelis to self-determination. And it would make Jews a minority everywhere and a majority nowhere again, as was the case during the Holocaust. No decent person would force Jews to return to that situation. rather than living under the brutal thumb of the Israelis.Sometimes I can't believe the naiveté and mindlessness of the Israel-bashers. Israel removed its "brutal thumb" from Gaza in 2005. Israelis were hoping the Palestinians there would reciprocate by keeping the peace, and that a similar withdrawal from the West Bank could follow. But the Palestinians voted in Hamas and turned Gaza into a base for blitzing Israeli towns with rockets. And Israel is the one at fault for refusing to withdraw from Gaza? Good grief. Great. I try to keep my response to three sentences and you still give me three paragraphs. The one state solution only means the destruction of Israel if it must exist as an ethnostate. You've balked at that description yet here you are endorsing it. Israel never removed its thumb from Gaza and you know enough about history to know that. The one state solution only means the destruction of Israel if it must exist as an ethnostate. You've balked at that description yet here you are endorsing it.
What are you babbling about? You once said that Israel, being an ethnostate, cannot be a free democracy, and I said that is not true. So I have no problem with Israel being an ethnostate, as long as it is a free country, which it is. Israel never removed its thumb from Gaza and you know enough about history to know that.Lie. In 2005 Israel unilaterally and unconditionally withdrew from Gaza, and forced out all of the Jewish settlers. This is precisely what the world community and the Palestinians had been demanding, at least for Gaza.
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