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Post by Stammerhead on May 2, 2024 10:36:50 GMT
How do you know these Islamist voices calling for Sharia and caliphate are not working for the far right? There are Europeans who like the idea of far right dictatorships that control the people to their will too. See the histories of Greece, Spain, Italy, and of course Germany. There’s a conspiracy theory for everything but I think Muslims are capable of doing things for themselves. The far right benefits from this sort of thing which is why they shouldn’t be allowed to control the narrative.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 10:52:07 GMT
How do you know these Islamist voices calling for Sharia and caliphate are not working for the far right? There are Europeans who like the idea of far right dictatorships that control the people to their will too. See the histories of Greece, Spain, Italy, and of course Germany. There’s a conspiracy theory for everything but I think Muslims are capable of doing things for themselves. The far right benefits from this sort of thing which is why they shouldn’t be allowed to control the narrative. I think “the Muslims” are being used in the same way “the border” is in the US. How realistic is the threat is what is never examined before deciding we all need to go right wing to “save our way of life” carcasses. How many times is the “the Fear of The Other” demagoguery going to lead us into yet another political and moral disaster? Some otherwise atheistic social critics like Peterson and Murray are calling for a reinforcement of Christianity as a bulwark against Muslims converting unchurched Europeans to Islam claiming Christianity is the only moral bedrock for modern Western Civilization and consumerism. So, this right wing will to power is creeping up on you guys too. You’ll be as morally fear-addled and politically schizophrenic as the USA in few more years.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 2, 2024 11:05:41 GMT
Oh good grief. This is exactly the thinking that is the problem. 1. The numbers are growing. 2. They vote as a block, so even just 20% of the population can gain control. This is happening all over the west and you still have your head in the sand. We don't have FPTP. We don't have a Muslim party of significance. This is why most German Muslims vote for classic German parties (in case they vote at all) Has London become a Caliphat bc of Khan? I do not think so. Are some London councils muslim-controlled? Yes they are. Do you really think that the million you let in are not making plans? Keep your head buried up your arse all you want but it is clear which direction this is going.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 2, 2024 11:07:45 GMT
There’s a conspiracy theory for everything but I think Muslims are capable of doing things for themselves. The far right benefits from this sort of thing which is why they shouldn’t be allowed to control the narrative. I think “the Muslims” are being used in the same way “the border” is in the US. How realistic is the threat is what is never examined before deciding we all need to go right wing to “save our way of life” carcasses. How many times is the “the Fear of The Other” demagoguery going to lead us into yet another political and moral disaster? Some otherwise atheistic social critics like Peterson and Murray are calling for a reinforcement of Christianity as a bulwark against Muslims converting unchurched Europeans to Islam claiming Christianity is the only moral bedrock for modern Western Civilization and consumerism. So, this right wing will to power is creeping up on you guys too. You’ll be as morally fear-addled and politically schizophrenic as the USA in few more years. The conspiracy theory is you and nobbi ignoring the facts - that they now have control of councils, school boards, etc. But no, it's all just a 'conspiracy theory'. Try dealing in FACTS rather than willful ignorance.
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 11:09:32 GMT
I wonder if this problem is going to get better or worse in twenty years when the percentage of Muslims in the population is twice what it is now. If only there were a way to know if more Muslims will mean more Islamists or fewer Islamists. Oh well, since it is impossible to know and it is WRONG to discriminate, we must continue to do absolutely nothing and hope the problem goes away by itself. And I have difficulties to tell radical evangelical Christians from other Americans... By the way: Dobrindt should shut the FK up. He has no stakes in Hamburg as member of a party (CSU) that isn't electable in all of Germany. (and the CDU is not electable in Bavaria...) And it is in his federal state Bavaria where the Christian cross is present in nearly every room in nearly every official building - making the separation of state and church hopeless. Besides from that: yes, there should be measurements against a 'Kalifat'. But it is wrong to think that this is a topic in every big German town. Having a cross in public buildings isn’t that same thing as making it legal to kill anyone converting to another religion from Islam or mandating daughters receive less money from inheritances or losing your mind when someone talks smack about a shitty book or throwing homosexuals off roofs. That’s what a Caliphate and Sharia Law would mean. Ihope you agree that anyone at that rally who was advocating a caliphate either vocally or carrying a sign to that effect should be charged with treason. And any non-citizens should be deported at the end of their sentences. Any such German citizens should be on a terrorist watchlist for life.
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Post by Hnefahogg on May 2, 2024 11:14:48 GMT
There’s a conspiracy theory for everything but I think Muslims are capable of doing things for themselves. The far right benefits from this sort of thing which is why they shouldn’t be allowed to control the narrative. I think “the Muslims” are being used in the same way “the border” is in the US. How realistic is the threat is what is never examined before deciding we all need to go right wing to “save our way of life” carcasses. How many times is the “the Fear of The Other” demagoguery going to lead us into yet another political and moral disaster? Some otherwise atheistic social critics like Peterson and Murray are calling for a reinforcement of Christianity as a bulwark against Muslims converting unchurched Europeans to Islam claiming Christianity is the only moral bedrock for modern Western Civilization and consumerism. So, this right wing will to power is creeping up on you guys too. You’ll be as morally fear-addled and politically schizophrenic as the USA in few more years. It's probably easiest for Muslims to convert Christians to Islam than any other religions, and that I assume would include atheism as well, because Islam proclaims to be the Windows 2.0 of Christianity. An ex-Muslim atheist Indian (?) who I subscribe to on YouTube, Abdullah Sameer, said that all the Muslim converts who he met were former Christians. He had never met a former Hindu who had become a Muslim.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 11:20:30 GMT
I think “the Muslims” are being used in the same way “the border” is in the US. How realistic is the threat is what is never examined before deciding we all need to go right wing to “save our way of life” carcasses. How many times is the “the Fear of The Other” demagoguery going to lead us into yet another political and moral disaster? Some otherwise atheistic social critics like Peterson and Murray are calling for a reinforcement of Christianity as a bulwark against Muslims converting unchurched Europeans to Islam claiming Christianity is the only moral bedrock for modern Western Civilization and consumerism. So, this right wing will to power is creeping up on you guys too. You’ll be as morally fear-addled and politically schizophrenic as the USA in few more years. It's probably easiest for Muslims to convert Christians to Islam than any other religions, and that I assume would include atheism as well, because Islam proclaims to be the Windows 2.0 of Christianity. An ex-Muslim atheist Indian (?) who I subscribe to on YouTube, Abdullah Sameer, said that all the Muslim converts who he met were former Christians. He had never met a former Hindu who had become a Muslim. What is your social theory or historical precedent to back your assumption up? Give me some hardcore examples of Muslims proselytizing and converting atheists, “nones,” lukewarm Christians, en masse, with statistics, not anecdotes or YouTube opinions.
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 11:27:20 GMT
It's probably easiest for Muslims to convert Christians to Islam than any other religions, and that I assume would include atheism as well, because Islam proclaims to be the Windows 2.0 of Christianity. An ex-Muslim atheist Indian (?) who I subscribe to on YouTube, Abdullah Sameer, said that all the Muslim converts who he met were former Christians. He had never met a former Hindu who had become a Muslim. What is your social theory or historical precedent to back your assumption up? Give me some hardcore examples of Muslims proselytizing and converting atheists, “nones,” lukewarm Christians, en masse, with statistics, not anecdotes or YouTube opinions. Forced conversions of Christian girls in Pakistan is a big problem. The UN is very worried about it: www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/04/pakistan-un-experts-alarmed-lack-protection-minority-girls-forced-religious
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 11:28:42 GMT
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 11:30:44 GMT
In what ways is Germany like Pakistan?
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 11:32:18 GMT
I didn’t think you were asking about Germany in particular. Sorry.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 11:33:42 GMT
Here you are jumping to the conclusion of what can happen under an Islamist regime. Just how will this Islamic dictatorship come to power in Germany?
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Post by Hnefahogg on May 2, 2024 11:38:31 GMT
It's probably easiest for Muslims to convert Christians to Islam than any other religions, and that I assume would include atheism as well, because Islam proclaims to be the Windows 2.0 of Christianity. An ex-Muslim atheist Indian (?) who I subscribe to on YouTube, Abdullah Sameer, said that all the Muslim converts who he met were former Christians. He had never met a former Hindu who had become a Muslim. What is your social theory or historical precedent to back your assumption up? Give me some hardcore examples of Muslims proselytizing and converting atheists, “nones,” lukewarm Christians, en masse, with statistics, not anecdotes or YouTube opinions. www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/01/26/the-share-of-americans-who-leave-islam-is-offset-by-those-who-become-muslim/
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 11:44:30 GMT
Here you are jumping to the conclusion of what can happen under an Islamist regime. Just how will this Islamic dictatorship come to power in Germany? The thing is to keep your foot on the Islamist neck at all times .. just so it doesn’t get even the smallest chance of happening. You don’t see what happened in Hamburg as being serious. I do. It’s vital people see that bad things happen to anyone in Europe who advocates Islamism… with deportation back to where they came from being the preferred option. They’ll be happier back there anyway with their stone age governments.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 11:56:47 GMT
Thank you. Let’s deconstruct this example…still waiting on the theory. This number includes cradle Muslims and converts. Still, based on our own survey and demographic research, as well as outside sources, Pew Research Center estimates that there were about 3.45 million Muslims of all ages living in the U.S. in 2017, and that Muslims made up about 1.1% of the total U.S. population. www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/Is the conversion rate of Christians to Islam a threat to US democracy?
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