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Post by notoriousnobbi on May 2, 2024 12:07:40 GMT
^^^ Exactly why this problem exists and is growing. If You think I'm not aware of facts I will tell You what I really see as a problem: We do not put enough resources into education! And some schools in Germany are overwhelmed by having to handle refugee children. I know teachers having to work under conditions that I thought that would not have been possible. These problems lay the foundation to medium and long-term problems that will surpass the Hamburg 'caliphate rally'
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Post by Hnefahogg on May 2, 2024 12:07:58 GMT
Thank you. Let’s deconstruct this example…still waiting on the theory. This number includes cradle Muslims and converts. Still, based on our own survey and demographic research, as well as outside sources, Pew Research Center estimates that there were about 3.45 million Muslims of all ages living in the U.S. in 2017, and that Muslims made up about 1.1% of the total U.S. population. www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/Is the conversion rate of Christians to Islam a threat to US democracy? My response was in comment to you saying that some wanted Christianity reinstated as a bulwark against Islam. When ironically, Christians may be the biggest group who convert to it because, like I said, Islam's selling point to Christians is that it is the updated version of Christianity. With that said, I don't think that a huge and significant number of Christians or Westerners are converting. That is just wishful thinking from Muslims. Converts are mostly restricted to Western women who meet a Muslim from my experience. Very few men in Europe convert. I would believe that maybe the fact that they have to get circumcised in adult age is a big stumbling block that keeps them from converting.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on May 2, 2024 12:13:38 GMT
It is not like people (me, for example) having been warning about this for decades! How will a tiny Muslim minority take the government of Germany. The minority was tiny forty years ago, and it has been steadily getting less tiny every day (with a big jump when Angela Merkel let in one million in a very short period). They are saying openly that they want to destroy Germany from within. Maybe you should listen to them and believe that they mean what they are saying, even if AT THIS POINT IN TIME they have no chance of achieving their goal.
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Post by Stammerhead on May 2, 2024 12:17:31 GMT
There’s a conspiracy theory for everything but I think Muslims are capable of doing things for themselves. The far right benefits from this sort of thing which is why they shouldn’t be allowed to control the narrative. I think “the Muslims” are being used in the same way “the border” is in the US. How realistic is the threat is what is never examined before deciding we all need to go right wing to “save our way of life” carcasses. How many times is the “the Fear of The Other” demagoguery going to lead us into yet another political and moral disaster? Some otherwise atheistic social critics like Peterson and Murray are calling for a reinforcement of Christianity as a bulwark against Muslims converting unchurched Europeans to Islam claiming Christianity is the only moral bedrock for modern Western Civilization and consumerism. So, this right wing will to power is creeping up on you guys too. You’ll be as morally fear-addled and politically schizophrenic as the USA in few more years. Exploding Muslims on the London Underground and at Manchester concerts sure don’t help.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 12:31:00 GMT
Thank you. Let’s deconstruct this example…still waiting on the theory. This number includes cradle Muslims and converts. Still, based on our own survey and demographic research, as well as outside sources, Pew Research Center estimates that there were about 3.45 million Muslims of all ages living in the U.S. in 2017, and that Muslims made up about 1.1% of the total U.S. population. www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/Is the conversion rate of Christians to Islam a threat to US democracy? My response was in comment to you saying that some wanted Christianity reinstated as a bulwark against Islam. When ironically, Christians may be the biggest group who convert to it because, like I said, Islam's selling point to Christians is that it is the updated version of Christianity. With that said, I don't think that a huge and significant number of Christians or Westerners are converting. That is just wishful thinking from Muslims. Converts are mostly restricted to Western women who meet a Muslim from my experience. Very few men in Europe convert. I would believe that maybe the fact that they have to get circumcised in adult age is a big stumbling block that keeps them from converting. My point is the reality of the threat of a caliphate actually coming to pass in any modern nation that does not already have Islam as its social foundation. For every Islamic regime extant, it has a particular history that probably caused the extreme fundamentalism infecting it. After WWII, the British forced a migration of millions of Indian Muslims to the Pakistan regions before India was granted its independence. You can’t divorce the history of religious extremism from that. In the Pew article, the rate of conversion to Islam in the US is offset by the number of Muslims leaving the religion once the pressure is off them to remain Muslim. I know from my observations of the Muslim community where I live, most Christian to Muslim conversions are within the African American community. Some of reasons is a cultural connection to Islamic sub-Saharan Africa under the assumption their ancestors were Muslims before being enslaved. As more Muslims come into contact with modern liberal society and diverse culture, they will either leave the faith or generate a more liberal version of Islam, especially the generations assimilated afterwards.
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 12:31:02 GMT
^^^ Exactly why this problem exists and is growing. If You think I'm not aware of facts I will tell You what I really see as a problem: We do not put enough resources into education! And some schools in Germany are overwhelmed by having to handle refugee children. I know teachers having to work under conditions that I thought that would not have been possible. These problems lay the foundation to medium and long-term problems that will surpass the Hamburg 'caliphate rally' If there’s such a huge problem in your schools with this, why keep letting in great numbers of refugees from the third world, Muslim countries in particular? Wouldn’t it make sense to severely limit immigration from such countries until you’ve got a handle on what to do in schools? Importing five million relatives of those admitted in the 2015/16 wave is something I once saw you advocating for. Surely that would be crazy given what you’ve posted here about schools?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 12:36:26 GMT
If You think I'm not aware of facts I will tell You what I really see as a problem: We do not put enough resources into education! And some schools in Germany are overwhelmed by having to handle refugee children. I know teachers having to work under conditions that I thought that would not have been possible. These problems lay the foundation to medium and long-term problems that will surpass the Hamburg 'caliphate rally' If there’s such a huge problem in your schools with this, why keep letting in great numbers of refugees from the third world, Muslim countries in particular? Wouldn’t it make sense to severely limit immigration from such countries until you’ve got a handle on what to do in schools? Importing five million relatives of those admitted in the 2015/16 wave is something I once saw you advocating for. Surely that would be crazy given what you’ve posted here about schools? The Modern West has a tradition of accepting refugees who would otherwise die if we do not recuse them. One thing we can do is fix the world so they don’t have to come here. We want it not just both ways, but all kinds of ways.
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 12:38:33 GMT
If there’s such a huge problem in your schools with this, why keep letting in great numbers of refugees from the third world, Muslim countries in particular? Wouldn’t it make sense to severely limit immigration from such countries until you’ve got a handle on what to do in schools? Importing five million relatives of those admitted in the 2015/16 wave is something I once saw you advocating for. Surely that would be crazy given what you’ve posted here about schools? The Modern West has a tradition of accepting refugees who would otherwise die if we do not recuse them. One thing we can do is fix the world so they don’t have to come here. We want it not just both ways, but all kinds of ways. There are limits. A lot of “refugees” are no such thing anyway.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 12:38:44 GMT
I think “the Muslims” are being used in the same way “the border” is in the US. How realistic is the threat is what is never examined before deciding we all need to go right wing to “save our way of life” carcasses. How many times is the “the Fear of The Other” demagoguery going to lead us into yet another political and moral disaster? Some otherwise atheistic social critics like Peterson and Murray are calling for a reinforcement of Christianity as a bulwark against Muslims converting unchurched Europeans to Islam claiming Christianity is the only moral bedrock for modern Western Civilization and consumerism. So, this right wing will to power is creeping up on you guys too. You’ll be as morally fear-addled and politically schizophrenic as the USA in few more years. Exploding Muslims on the London Underground and at Manchester concerts sure don’t help. Taking those unruly dogs to the gravel pit is the easiest way.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 12:40:08 GMT
The Modern West has a tradition of accepting refugees who would otherwise die if we do not recuse them. One thing we can do is fix the world so they don’t have to come here. We want it not just both ways, but all kinds of ways. There are limits. A lot of “refugees” are no such thing anyway. No doubt. How do you differentiate the worthy refugees from the bad ones?
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 12:41:21 GMT
There are limits. A lot of “refugees” are no such thing anyway. No doubt. How do you differentiate the worthy refugees from the bad ones? If the U.K. is anything to go by, badly! What you don’t do is automatically assume they’re telling the truth about their circumstances. You need to try to verify who they really are, where they came from etc. Not helped when most of them deliberately dump their papers. And you certainly don’t make laws forbidding g the police from looking through their phones and searching g their belongings. Something nobbi wants in Germany.
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 12:47:22 GMT
Exploding Muslims on the London Underground and at Manchester concerts sure don’t help. Taking those unruly dogs to the gravel pit is the easiest way. That’s a lazy and boring retort.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 12:50:49 GMT
No doubt. How do you differentiate the worthy refugees from the bad ones? If the U.K. is anything to go by, badly! What you don’t do is automatically assume they’re telling the truth about their circumstances. You need to try to verify who they really are, where they came from etc. Not helped when most of them deliberately dump their papers. And you certainly don’t make laws forbidding g the police from looking through their phones and searching g their belongings. Something nobbi wants in Germany. I mean you personally on the streets. How do you judge someone whom you think is a Muslim who is minding his or her own business?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 2, 2024 12:58:15 GMT
Taking those unruly dogs to the gravel pit is the easiest way. That’s a lazy and boring retort. It is sublime metaphor, even so. We know who she is talking. To me that’s the purpose of the Muslim Panic fearmongering is to get indigenous Europeans (you know, white folks) to move rightward to elect more men like Orban, who are far more amenable to unbridled capitalism than their more liberal cohorts. This political tactic almost always works in the USA, none more so than now.
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Post by Carl LaFong on May 2, 2024 13:52:26 GMT
If the U.K. is anything to go by, badly! What you don’t do is automatically assume they’re telling the truth about their circumstances. You need to try to verify who they really are, where they came from etc. Not helped when most of them deliberately dump their papers. And you certainly don’t make laws forbidding g the police from looking through their phones and searching g their belongings. Something nobbi wants in Germany. I mean you personally on the streets. How do you judge someone whom you think is a Muslim who is minding his or her own business? I don’t judge them. I hope the authorities have done their due dillignce and treat them like anyone else. Anyway we don’t have a yellow star for Muslims so I won’t know what religion they are.Plenty of Hindus and Sikhs will be the same colour .. and others.
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