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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2024 20:47:47 GMT
Hamas is playing games. They waited until the last possible moment to agree to a ceasefire. Unconditional surrender. If they cared about the Palestinian people, that is what they would do. But they don’t … so why should anyone else care? Would you rather the war continue? I want the war to end. The quickest and most painless way is for Hamas to surrender. Why isn’t everyone on board with that solution?
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 6, 2024 20:54:28 GMT
Hamas is playing games. They waited until the last possible moment to agree to a ceasefire. Unconditional surrender. If they cared about the Palestinian people, that is what they would do. But they don’t … so why should anyone else care? Would you rather the war continue?
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Post by cat on May 6, 2024 20:54:36 GMT
Would you rather the war continue? I want the war to end. The quickest and most painless way is for Hamas to surrender. Why isn’t everyone on board with that solution? I would like the war to end to. We are in agreement. It will be interesting to see if Israel agrees to the terms now that Hamas has agreed to them.
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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2024 20:56:40 GMT
I want the war to end. The quickest and most painless way is for Hamas to surrender. Why isn’t everyone on board with that solution? I would like the war to end to. We are in agreement. It will be interesting to see if Israel agrees to the terms now that Hamas has agreed to them. A cease fire isn’t the end of the war. It only prolongs it. Do you agree that Hamas should surrender? … and that’s the best way to end it?
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Post by Roxy on May 6, 2024 20:57:36 GMT
I want the war to end. The quickest and most painless way is for Hamas to surrender. Why isn’t everyone on board with that solution? I would like the war to end to. We are in agreement. It will be interesting to see if Israel agrees to the terms now that Hamas has agreed to them. You’re a caricature of a Hamas supporter. They are not terms for anything. Palestinian leadership in Qatar floated this story of how Hamas agreed to Israel surrendering. Yes. Of course they would.
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Post by cat on May 6, 2024 21:00:33 GMT
I would like the war to end to. We are in agreement. It will be interesting to see if Israel agrees to the terms now that Hamas has agreed to them. A cease fire isn’t the end of the war. It only prolongs it. Do you agree that Hamas should surrender? … and that’s the best way to end it? I do not know if surrendering is the best way to end it, but I think both sides agreeing to a ceasefire is a start. Hopefully it will mean the safe return of the remaining hostages.
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Post by Roxy on May 6, 2024 21:01:46 GMT
And Hamas is nothing without a staged photo op to accompany a press push. Look at that famine!
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 6, 2024 21:08:27 GMT
Not at all. Just someone who is not blinded by an all-cultures-are-equal-and-it-is-wrong-to-discriminate ideology and who knows perfectly well that Christian Palestinian refugees are far less likely to cause trouble here than Muslim Palestinian refugees.
I’m not blinded by this, I simply believe in equality and do not make distinction based upon subjective criteria. You pretty much have the “kill them all and let God” (not literally) mentality. I don’t. All men and women, that is all humans, are created equal and I’ve pledged allegiance to that my whole life. That’s the Western Tradition.
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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2024 21:10:48 GMT
A cease fire isn’t the end of the war. It only prolongs it. Do you agree that Hamas should surrender? … and that’s the best way to end it? I do not know if surrendering is the best way to end it, but I think both sides agreeing to a ceasefire is a start. Hopefully it will mean the safe return of the remaining hostages. It’s pretty simple. Hamas surrenders and returns the hostages, the offensive ends, aid rushes into Gaza. Hamas not surrendering means one of two things. 1. Israel destroys them, along with lots of non-combatants. 2. Hamas survives, which means more Oct 7ths. How on earth could you be uncertain about the best way to end this war?
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on May 6, 2024 21:15:38 GMT
Hamas is playing games. They waited until the last possible moment to agree to a ceasefire. Unconditional surrender. If they cared about the Palestinian people, that is what they would do. But they don’t … so why should anyone else care? Would you rather the war continue? Letting Hamas survive guarantees that the war continues.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on May 6, 2024 21:36:15 GMT
A cease fire isn’t the end of the war. It only prolongs it. Do you agree that Hamas should surrender? … and that’s the best way to end it? I do not know if surrendering is the best way to end it, but I think both sides agreeing to a ceasefire is a start. Hopefully it will mean the safe return of the remaining hostages. Hamas has stated very clearly that they will keep doing what they did on Oct 7th.
Do you think they are lying about it and don't really mean it? That they surely learned the lesson now and will no longer attack Israel?
If you believe what Hamas is saying openly, what do you think Israel should do about it?
Accept that having a few hundred of their citizens brutally massacred every few moths is the price to pay for existing as a Jewish state in that part of the world?
Accept millions of hostile Palestinians into the country as full citizens and hope Hamas will be satisfied with that and won't do what their charter explicitly calls for, which is the complete destruction of Israel?
Pack up and leave?
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Post by cat on May 6, 2024 21:37:29 GMT
I do not know if surrendering is the best way to end it, but I think both sides agreeing to a ceasefire is a start. Hopefully it will mean the safe return of the remaining hostages. It’s pretty simple. Hamas surrenders and returns the hostages, the offensive ends, aid rushes into Gaza. Hamas not surrendering means one of two things. 1. Israel destroys them, along with lots of non-combatants. 2. Hamas survives, which means more Oct 7ths. How on earth could you be uncertain about the best way to end this war?
Right now, the terms I do know are, reportedly, a 42 day ceasefire and prisoner/hostage exchanges, but Israel has also ordered the evacuation of 100,000 Palestinians from Rafah. It could be Hamas has accepted a deal because they are close to annihilation, but it seems Israel is now in a position of accepting a deal that would, presumably, mean calling off their ground operation, or rejecting the deal and proceeding anyways. It Hamas accepting a ceasefire deal is in fact a ploy, then it is a ploy Israel has to consider as it weighs its response. I don't know what will happen. I know it's trite and uninteresting to say, but I don't.
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Post by Roxy on May 6, 2024 21:42:03 GMT
And Hamas is nothing without a staged photo op to accompany a press push. Look at that famine! Holy shit. That’s a video The Guardian posted 39 minutes ago. Since when does The Guardian private a video that’s supposed to be world news? I suppose their Hamas connect realized it exposed them as liars harder than it put pressure on Blinken to do whatever it is they want him to do.
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Post by cat on May 6, 2024 21:43:02 GMT
I do not know if surrendering is the best way to end it, but I think both sides agreeing to a ceasefire is a start. Hopefully it will mean the safe return of the remaining hostages. Hamas has stated very clearly that they will keep doing what they did on Oct 7th.
Do you think they are lying about it and don't really mean it? That they surely learned the lesson now and will no longer attack Israel?
If you believe what Hamas is saying openly, what do you think Israel should do about it?
Accept that having a few hundred of their citizens brutally massacred every few moths is the price to pay for existing as a Jewish state in that part of the world?
Accept millions of hostile Palestinians into the country as full citizens and hope Hamas will be satisfied with that and won't do what their charter explicitly calls for, which is the complete destruction of Israel?
Pack up and leave?
At the moment, I only know they've accepted the terms of a deal brokered by Egypt and Qatar. I meant to tell you I disagree with what you about not letting in Palestinian Muslim refugees. Here is why: www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/ms-st-louisThis is an atrocity I would prefer Canada to learn from than repeat.
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Post by Roxy on May 6, 2024 21:48:20 GMT
Hamas has stated very clearly that they will keep doing what they did on Oct 7th.
Do you think they are lying about it and don't really mean it? That they surely learned the lesson now and will no longer attack Israel?
If you believe what Hamas is saying openly, what do you think Israel should do about it?
Accept that having a few hundred of their citizens brutally massacred every few moths is the price to pay for existing as a Jewish state in that part of the world?
Accept millions of hostile Palestinians into the country as full citizens and hope Hamas will be satisfied with that and won't do what their charter explicitly calls for, which is the complete destruction of Israel?
Pack up and leave?
At the moment, I only know they've accepted the terms of a deal brokered by Egypt and Qatar. I meant to tell you I disagree with what you about not letting in Palestinian Muslim refugees. Here is why: www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/ms-st-louisThis is an atrocity I would prefer Canada to learn from than repeat. You don’t give a shit about Jews, anonysock.
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