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Post by damngumby on May 6, 2024 22:02:24 GMT
It’s pretty simple. Hamas surrenders and returns the hostages, the offensive ends, aid rushes into Gaza. Hamas not surrendering means one of two things. 1. Israel destroys them, along with lots of non-combatants. 2. Hamas survives, which means more Oct 7ths. How on earth could you be uncertain about the best way to end this war?Right now, the terms I do know are, reportedly, a 42 day ceasefire and prisoner/hostage exchanges, but Israel has also ordered the evacuation of 100,000 Palestinians from Rafah. It could be Hamas has accepted a deal because they are close to annihilation, but it seems Israel is now in a position of accepting a deal that would, presumably, mean calling off their ground operation, or rejecting the deal and proceeding anyways. It Hamas accepting a ceasefire deal is in fact a ploy, then it is a ploy Israel has to consider as it weighs its response. I don't know what will happen. I know it's trite and uninteresting to say, but I don't. You highlighted my question and then you neglected to answer it. Any details of a ceasefire are irrelevant to ending the war. The war will continue after the ceasefire, if Hamas still exists. Do you want the war to continue? If you want the war to end now, there is no alternative. Hamas must surrender. Are you on board with that, or not? It’s a simple yes or no answer.
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Post by cat on May 6, 2024 22:09:22 GMT
Right now, the terms I do know are, reportedly, a 42 day ceasefire and prisoner/hostage exchanges, but Israel has also ordered the evacuation of 100,000 Palestinians from Rafah. It could be Hamas has accepted a deal because they are close to annihilation, but it seems Israel is now in a position of accepting a deal that would, presumably, mean calling off their ground operation, or rejecting the deal and proceeding anyways. It Hamas accepting a ceasefire deal is in fact a ploy, then it is a ploy Israel has to consider as it weighs its response. I don't know what will happen. I know it's trite and uninteresting to say, but I don't. You highlighted my question and then you neglected to answer it. Any details of a ceasefire are irrelevant to ending the war. The war will continue after the ceasefire, if Hamas still exists. Do you want the war to continue? If you want the war to end now, there is no alternative. Hamas must surrender. Are you on board with that, or not? It’s a simple yes or no answer. The alternative may be this deal, and it may only be the first step to longer lasting peace. No, I do not want the war to continue. The answer to your question about the simplest way to go about it being the unconditional surrender of Hamas is I don't know. If I said yes or no to your question, I'd be lying because the truth is I don't know.
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Post by mr_self on May 6, 2024 22:21:42 GMT
Hostages are not part of the deal Hamas agreed to. Shocking.
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Post by mr_self on May 6, 2024 22:24:17 GMT
Negotiations to start back up.
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Post by marsatax on May 6, 2024 22:34:29 GMT
Since none of the Arab countries will step-up and do it, I think the US should take in Palestinian refugees so Israel can get rid of Hamas once and for all. Once you remove their human shields they can't manipulate situations to their advantage anymore. It’s the least we can do considering we’ve supported Israel from the 2005 boycott to the current genocide. Though, I would prefer if we stop supporting Israel altogether. The Genocide lie remains a lie no matter how many times it is repeated. 1.5% of the population of Gaza killed is not Genocide.
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Post by marsatax on May 6, 2024 22:39:46 GMT
Would you rather the war continue? I want the war to end. The quickest and most painless way is for Hamas to surrender. Why isn’t everyone on board with that solution? That would mean victory for Israel, and the people calling for a ceasefire mostly hate Israel. Notice that they never call for PEACE, but only for a ceasefire, so that the Palestinians can rebuild their strength and launch more attacks.
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Post by dlancer on May 6, 2024 23:13:31 GMT
Israel will always get what it wants.
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on May 6, 2024 23:25:40 GMT
Hamas has stated very clearly that they will keep doing what they did on Oct 7th.
Do you think they are lying about it and don't really mean it? That they surely learned the lesson now and will no longer attack Israel?
If you believe what Hamas is saying openly, what do you think Israel should do about it?
Accept that having a few hundred of their citizens brutally massacred every few moths is the price to pay for existing as a Jewish state in that part of the world?
Accept millions of hostile Palestinians into the country as full citizens and hope Hamas will be satisfied with that and won't do what their charter explicitly calls for, which is the complete destruction of Israel?
Pack up and leave?
At the moment, I only know they've accepted the terms of a deal brokered by Egypt and Qatar. I meant to tell you I disagree with what you about not letting in Palestinian Muslim refugees. Here is why: www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/ms-st-louisThis is an atrocity I would prefer Canada to learn from than repeat. The difference being that the Jews were not attacking Germany and killing German civilians.
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Post by cat on May 6, 2024 23:28:17 GMT
At the moment, I only know they've accepted the terms of a deal brokered by Egypt and Qatar. I meant to tell you I disagree with what you about not letting in Palestinian Muslim refugees. Here is why: www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/ms-st-louisThis is an atrocity I would prefer Canada to learn from than repeat. The difference being that the Jews were not attacking Germany and killing German civilians. Nor were they all lucky enough to escape to a place willing to take them.
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on May 6, 2024 23:31:56 GMT
The difference being that the Jews were not attacking Germany and killing German civilians. Nor were they all lucky enough to escape to a place willing to take them. No they weren't. That's why I proposed a solution that doesn't involve bringing millions of people to the country who will never leave, who belong to a horrible religion, most of whom hate America and are of radicalization age, and include god knows how many actual terrorists.
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Post by Roxy on May 6, 2024 23:38:37 GMT
And Hamas is nothing without a staged photo op to accompany a press push. Look at that famine! Holy shit. That’s a video The Guardian posted 39 minutes ago. Since when does The Guardian private a video that’s supposed to be world news? I suppose their Hamas connect realized it exposed them as liars harder than it put pressure on Blinken to do whatever it is they want him to do. Here we go. The Post won’t be coerced to lie nor intimidated by threats of fatwa. Look at all those people being tortured to death while celebrating in the streets and recording it with their apparently charged and fully data-enabled smartphones. That’s some “genocide”. ayatollah
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Post by ayatollah on May 6, 2024 23:40:40 GMT
Holy shit. That’s a video The Guardian posted 39 minutes ago. Since when does The Guardian private a video that’s supposed to be world news? I suppose their Hamas connect realized it exposed them as liars harder than it put pressure on Blinken to do whatever it is they want him to do. Here we go. The Post won’t be coerced to lie nor intimidated by threats of fatwa. Look at all those people being tortured to death while celebrating in the streets and recording it with their apparently charged and fully data-enabled smartphones. That’s some “genocide”. ayatollah Well that is a fair point, where are they getting power for their phones?
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Post by Roxy on May 6, 2024 23:47:37 GMT
Here we go. The Post won’t be coerced to lie nor intimidated by threats of fatwa. Look at all those people being tortured to death while celebrating in the streets and recording it with their apparently charged and fully data-enabled smartphones. That’s some “genocide”. ayatollah Well that is a fair point, where are they getting power for their phones? Thank you. Do you see where I quoted my own post containing the blacked out privated video posted by The Guardian? This is why they pulled that video, and because people are not starving. Israel does not lie about providing aid/food for Gazans in spite of Hamas doing their best to prevent that. Israel does not lie about texting every Gazan with a smartphone before a strike. How could Israel do that if they didn’t continue to provide service? No one wants dead civilians except for Hamas. I promise you.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on May 7, 2024 1:13:26 GMT
Lol. Israel did exactly what they wanted. Now there are a million kids from Gaza ready to join Hamas and destroy Israel. This ensures Hamas' survival for decades. Radicals thrive on war, not peace.
Basic logic. The hostages are in Hamas' hiding places. Israel targets Hamas' hiding places. Israel killed most the hostages.
Hamas has Israel right where they want them! A million kids who are seeing first hand what happens when you cross the line with Israel. I’m sure they will now be quite eager to get the ever living shit kicked out of themselves, again, and again. A million kids, you say? So much for those claims of “genocide”. … and you’re admitting that Israel is targeting Hamas hiding places. … and you have no idea where the hostages are being kept. Freed hostages have reported that they were held captive by Palestinian families. Other than all that, great post! Lol. Israel has nothing once the U.S. cuts off the funding. Wait for the ICJ's war crimes trials.
Meh, here's a kid from Gaza who describes what he's going to do to Israel:
It never ends and you fools will never get it.
But a shallow dumbfuck like you will be here in a year babbling those awful Israelis. Watch.
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Post by Harry Skywalker on May 7, 2024 1:21:29 GMT
Since none of the Arab countries will step-up and do it, I think the US should take in Palestinian refugees so Israel can get rid of Hamas once and for all. Once you remove their human shields they can't manipulate situations to their advantage anymore. It’s the least we can do considering we’ve supported Israel from the 2005 boycott to the current genocide. Though, I would prefer if we stop supporting Israel altogether. There's no such thing as genocide.
You are a terrorist supporter and your terrorist friends from Hamas are getting annihilated.
Keep crying terrorist tears.
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