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Post by Hairynosedwombat on May 7, 2024 18:48:48 GMT
Those barbarians are innocent children who you might blame for the war but I call victims. Hamas is the barbarians he was referring to, and you know it. No one can save the Gazan civilians from Hamas until they (Hamas) are gone. Nobody cas save the Gazan civilians from the marauding IDF. It's quite convenient that Gaza is now unliveable, so as soon as the 2 million Hamas enablers are gone there is some lovely beachfront property to be developed and useful farmland you can have for free. Gotta pay for the rat eradication some way.
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Post by drystyx on May 7, 2024 18:51:39 GMT
People use all kinds of reasons to justify evil acts, not just religion, and the use of said reasons don't necessarily make them evil by association. But these are the Christians who make a point they are acting in righteousness per the instructions of the one true faith that Weinberg is referring to. They will do evil things if they think this is what my God wants. There is no way to excuse the centuries with waves of pogroms, inquisitions, witch-hunts, and genocides by saying Christians don’t do that anymore. The Good Christian who continues to associate with these Evil Christians and never calls them out for real, even if some of them are long dead, is failing their faith too. Another famous quote: If Christianity is so good and the only method, approved by God himself, to lead a properly moral life and guide a prosperous society, then why did the historical horror show happen? Sure some works in the name of Christianity has done a lot of good, so have otherwise atheistic enterprises, but not enough to eliminate the self-destructive, ticking implosion device at its core. You will never build the truth upon the foundation of a lie. There, you have hit upon the weakness of the Christian against evil. The fanatical Christian doesn't kill. He prays and does the entire theater of Jesus praising, and claims God will win, and no matter what happens, the fundamentalist declares it to be God's will. I've seen it 100 times out of 100. Five guys blown up in a foxhole, while one is getting coffee, so the fundamentalist is the ultimate rationalizer here. Those five guys were going to do something against God's will, or their deaths will inspire their sons to do something awesome, and the one survivor is something special...you know the routine. The inactivity of the fundamentalist Christian is his weakness, certainly as seen by most Moslems, I'm quite sure. The inactive fundie believes God is always active, and responds to prayer, and no matter how the prayer is answered, the fundie believes it conforms to God's will. If the fundamentalist of today lived in Nazi Germany, he would believe God was working through the evil of Hitler. The fundie would hide the Jew in his barn as long as he had enough food for the Jew, but then he would tell the Jew to leave, and if the Jew didn't leave, the fundie would rationalize a way to reveal the Jew being there. He would see pee on the ground, and then remark to one of the Gestapo that there was a strange pee puddle in his barn, and the fundie would believe that if it was God's will, the Jew would feel the impulse to leave. Yes, the fanatical Christian is good at rationalization. But as far as doing the actual evil, he just isn't active enough. But you certainly hit upon how he allows bad things to happen.
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Post by phludowin on May 7, 2024 18:52:52 GMT
Not sure about that. Some people who do things considered "evil" may have thought that they really did work for the "greater good". Example: It's possible some SS officers really thought they did the world a favour by ridding it of Jews. Even the woman from this story who killed her three-year old and herself. Maybe she thought she was doing her kid a favour. I wouldn't know. Excuses made. The mother knew killing her kid was wrong, but likely felt she was saving her child from a bad future. I don't know. I'm not a mind reader. So it's OK if people kill people they feel are inferior? In my opinion: Not without consent. They excused themselves as superior/master race & that they were removing defective people. Somewhere they knew the 10 Commandments. In my opinion three of the 10 Commandments are ok, the rest are bullshit. This is also evidenced by the facts that Germans and English can't even agree on how they are numbered.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on May 7, 2024 19:05:56 GMT
But these are the Christians who make a point they are acting in righteousness per the instructions of the one true faith that Weinberg is referring to. They will do evil things if they think this is what my God wants. There is no way to excuse the centuries with waves of pogroms, inquisitions, witch-hunts, and genocides by saying Christians don’t do that anymore. The Good Christian who continues to associate with these Evil Christians and never calls them out for real, even if some of them are long dead, is failing their faith too. Another famous quote: If Christianity is so good and the only method, approved by God himself, to lead a properly moral life and guide a prosperous society, then why did the historical horror show happen? Sure some works in the name of Christianity has done a lot of good, so have otherwise atheistic enterprises, but not enough to eliminate the self-destructive, ticking implosion device at its core. You will never build the truth upon the foundation of a lie. There, you have hit upon the weakness of the Christian against evil. The fanatical Christian doesn't kill. He prays and does the entire theater of Jesus praising, and claims God will win, and no matter what happens, the fundamentalist declares it to be God's will. I've seen it 100 times out of 100. Five guys blown up in a foxhole, while one is getting coffee, so the fundamentalist is the ultimate rationalizer here. Those five guys were going to do something against God's will, or their deaths will inspire their sons to do something awesome, and the one survivor is something special...you know the routine. The inactivity of the fundamentalist Christian is his weakness, certainly as seen by most Moslems, I'm quite sure. The inactive fundie believes God is always active, and responds to prayer, and no matter how the prayer is answered, the fundie believes it conforms to God's will. If the fundamentalist of today lived in Nazi Germany, he would believe God was working through the evil of Hitler. The fundie would hide the Jew in his barn as long as he had enough food for the Jew, but then he would tell the Jew to leave, and if the Jew didn't leave, the fundie would rationalize a way to reveal the Jew being there. He would see pee on the ground, and then remark to one of the Gestapo that there was a strange pee puddle in his barn, and the fundie would believe that if it was God's will, the Jew would feel the impulse to leave. Yes, the fanatical Christian is good at rationalization. But as far as doing the actual evil, he just isn't active enough. But you certainly hit upon how he allows bad things to happen. What do you think a mob of them can do? One battery by itself is harmless, get enough batteries acting in concert and you can take down an airliner. You are making this far more complicated than necessary. I don’t care about the going to heaven part or who thinks he’s right. It is the earthly power Christians think they are supposed wield under the authority of God himself in order to make people good, not evil. Yet they keep being evil. This inverted view of Jesus’ teaching can infect anyone in that foxhole.
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Post by drystyx on May 7, 2024 19:07:41 GMT
Well, that makes him an accomplice to the murder of his son. He's definitively guilty of third degree homicide. The wife is dead, and so there's no trial for her. He's still alive, and he had a responsibility, and he knew he was abandoning his son, so that does make guilty of third degree homicide.
sorry man, while this was terrible, i cannot agree with you.
his ex wife made the decision to pull that trigger.
she could have just given up custody of the child to him or to the state if she couldn't take it anymore.
The wife is dead and so there is no way to enforce a penalty upon her. She's guilty of murder. There is no place and no time where I denied that fact, so that makes you a liar when you claim that this is what you don't agree with. How does it feel to be a lying scum of the Earth? No offense. That doesn't make the husband innocent of abandoning his son and his part in the murder. By definition, it's third degree homicide, because marriage is a lifetime contract that he reneged on, and he left his son out to hang to dry. Even if it wasn't his son, he deliberately abandoned the son, and he is responsible for that action. You can let people hide behind the fact that someone else has more guilt in an evil act, but I have a brain, so I can't do that.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on May 7, 2024 19:40:32 GMT
Fathers can fucked over a lot in these sort of disputes. Poor man losing his child to that psycho bitch.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on May 7, 2024 20:51:28 GMT
Hamas is the barbarians he was referring to, and you know it. No one can save the Gazan civilians from Hamas until they (Hamas) are gone. Nobody cas save the Gazan civilians from the marauding IDF. It's quite convenient that Gaza is now unliveable, so as soon as the 2 million Hamas enablers are gone there is some lovely beachfront property to be developed and useful farmland you can have for free. Gotta pay for the rat eradication some way. Yeah, those evil Jews really like money, don't they?
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 3:53:57 GMT
Well, that makes him an accomplice to the murder of his son. He's definitively guilty of third degree homicide. The wife is dead, and so there's no trial for her. He's still alive, and he had a responsibility, and he knew he was abandoning his son, so that does make guilty of third degree homicide. The judge should've given the dad temporary custody, so the judge is guilty of third degree murder. Maybe the judge is guilty of fourth degree murder.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 3:54:13 GMT
The only true innocent victim here is the child.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 4:48:15 GMT
sorry man, while this was terrible, i cannot agree with you.
his ex wife made the decision to pull that trigger.
she could have just given up custody of the child to him or to the state if she couldn't take it anymore.
and gotten a later court date to possibly argue for custody in the future
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 4:51:09 GMT
Excuses made. The mother knew killing her kid was wrong, but likely felt she was saving her child from a bad future. So it's OK if people kill people they feel are inferior? They excused themselves as superior/master race & that they were removing defective people. Somewhere they knew the 10 Commandments.
what is wrong? what is normal?
Someone posted a meme stating good people use religion to do bad things? I've seen plenty of non-religious use politics in the same way.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 4:55:11 GMT
Excuses made. The mother knew killing her kid was wrong, but likely felt she was saving her child from a bad future. So it's OK if people kill people they feel are inferior? They excused themselves as superior/master race & that they were removing defective people. Somewhere they knew the 10 Commandments.
what is wrong? what is normal?
Someone posted a meme stating good people use religion to do bad things? I've seen plenty of non-religious use politics in the same way.
At least they're not hypocrites going around claiming they're exclusively the party of God/Jesus and the harbingers of wholesome family values. That's the problem when people puff themselves up about how religious and spiritual and faithful they are. And when they fall exceedingly short with absolutely no effort to do better, those are the ones who take the Lord's name in vain. God Bless the USA Bible, anyone?
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 4:58:50 GMT
At least they're not hypocrites going around claiming they're exclusively the party of God/Jesus and the harbingers of wholesome family values. That's the problem when people puff themselves up about how religious and spiritual and faithful they are. And when they fall exceedingly short with absolutely no effort to do better, those are the ones who take the Lord's name in vain. God Bless the USA Bible, anyone?
While that is a great point about hypocrites...........does it really matter to the victim of the abuse? Whether they fervently believe in their actions?
It is one of the more shocking things to me in my many years of arguing over politics.........how often I've found myself defending religious types. I wouldn't have guessed that'd be the case when I first signed online.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 5:03:43 GMT
At least they're not hypocrites going around claiming they're exclusively the party of God/Jesus and the harbingers of wholesome family values. That's the problem when people puff themselves up about how religious and spiritual and faithful they are. And when they fall exceedingly short with absolutely no effort to do better, those are the ones who take the Lord's name in vain. God Bless the USA Bible, anyone?
While that is a great point about hypocrites...........does it really matter to the victim of the abuse? Whether they fervently believe in their actions?
It is one of the more shocking things to me in my many years of arguing over politics.........how often I've found myself defending religious types. I wouldn't have guessed that'd be the case when I first signed online.
Good point about the victims. And of course, unless you interact with certain groups, or people who claim to be part of certain groups, in person, you likely will end up defending them. That's neither good nor bad in and of itself. It just means that you personally haven't witnessed and experienced people who claim to be something they're not.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 5:09:02 GMT
Good point about the victims. And of course, unless you interact with certain groups, or people who claim to be part of certain groups, in person, you likely will end up defending them. That's neither good nor bad in and of itself. It just means that you personally haven't witnessed and experienced people who claim to be something they're not.
Actually, to some degree.........MOST people put on a bit of a show, imo.
It's kinda WHY I do my best to avoid people for the most part.
Add in they also often seem to be annoyed or off put by my brand of brutal honesty.
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