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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 5:11:30 GMT
Good point about the victims. And of course, unless you interact with certain groups, or people who claim to be part of certain groups, in person, you likely will end up defending them. That's neither good nor bad in and of itself. It just means that you personally haven't witnessed and experienced people who claim to be something they're not.
Actually, to some degree.........MOST people put on a bit of a show, imo.
It's kinda WHY I do my best to avoid people for the most part.
Add in they also often seem to be annoyed or off put by my brand of brutal honesty. That's true, but it's especially more egregious when they claim to adhere to a far higher standard than they actually do. But you're right. In general fakes don't like being called out. Or put in their place.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 5:14:25 GMT
That's true, but it's especially more egregious when they claim to adhere to a far higher standard than they actually do. But you're right. In general fakes don't like being called out. Or put in their place.
And this is the conundrum for our species. imho
Do I wish people were much more independent? and capable of getting thru life without religion? or being such followers in other ways? Of course.
But it doesn't seem like very many want to........much less, can actually pull it off.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 5:22:49 GMT
That's true, but it's especially more egregious when they claim to adhere to a far higher standard than they actually do. But you're right. In general fakes don't like being called out. Or put in their place.
And this is the conundrum for our species. imho
Do I wish people were much more independent? and capable of getting thru life without religion? or being such followers in other ways? Of course.
But it doesn't seem like very many want to........much less, can actually pull it off.
I'm not at all against people getting through life with religion or whatever else it is they need to get through life. I'm just saying people shouldn't lord their values over others when they themselves don't hold themselves to those values. That encompasses far more than just religion, but it is especially hypocritical when religious people do it. I seriously respect the people who actually follow what they claim they believe, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 5:28:10 GMT
I'm not at all against people getting through life with religion or whatever else it is they need to get through life. I'm just saying people shouldn't lord their values over others when they themselves don't hold themselves to those values. That encompasses far more than just religion, but it is especially hypocritical when religious people do it. I seriously respect the people who actually follow what they claim they believe, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.
Excellent turn of phrase. But isn't THAT precisely what politics does? especially as Govt grows larger and larger?
I'm having a tough time understanding WHY it's worse for religious people to be hypocrites? When most people are? BOTH hypocrites and religious.
So you'll respect being lorded over...........just so long as they truly believe in their cause?
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 5:39:33 GMT
I'm not at all against people getting through life with religion or whatever else it is they need to get through life. I'm just saying people shouldn't lord their values over others when they themselves don't hold themselves to those values. That encompasses far more than just religion, but it is especially hypocritical when religious people do it. I seriously respect the people who actually follow what they claim they believe, even if I don't necessarily agree with it.
Excellent turn of phrase. But isn't THAT precisely what politics does? especially as Govt grows larger and larger?
I'm having a tough time understanding WHY it's worse for religious people to be hypocrites? When most people are? BOTH hypocrites and religious.
So you'll respect being lorded over...........just so long as they truly believe in their cause?
Politics does precisely that, respective or irrespective of religion. That's why I said "That encompasses far more than just religion..." It's worse for religious people to be hypocrites because they're being hypocritical in the name of a higher power that they want you to believe in and follow even though they don't. Do as I say, not as I do. Rules for thee, not for me. I didn't say I would respect being lorded over. I said I respect people who actually follow what they claim to believe, just for that alone, not that I would necessarily agree with or support them. Now obviously if they really believed in something like rape and murder and incest and abuse, etc., I obviously don't respect that. I respect people who actually follow what they claim to believe as long as it doesn't infringe on the personhood of other people.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 5:47:41 GMT
Politics does precisely that, respective or irrespective of religion. That's why I said "That encompasses far more than just religion..." It's worse for religious people to be hypocrites because they're being hypocritical in the name of a higher power that they want you to believe in and follow even though they don't. Do as I say, not as I do. Rules for thee, not for me.I didn't say I would respect being lorded over. I said I respect people who actually follow what they claim to believe, just for that alone, not that I would necessarily agree with or support them. Now obviously if they really believed in something like rape and murder and incest and abuse, etc., I obviously don't respect that. I respect people who actually follow what they claim to believe as long as it doesn't infringe on the personhood of other people.
Can you think of a 'higher power' in anyone's life these days that is more tangible and real than Government?
And does anyone beat politicians when it comes to Rules for thee, but not me behavior?
Infringing. Such an important word and indication of wrong doing. Again, so many examples in our every day lives. But in my life, anyway, not so much from religious people or any sky dwelling deity.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 5:55:43 GMT
Politics does precisely that, respective or irrespective of religion. That's why I said "That encompasses far more than just religion..." It's worse for religious people to be hypocrites because they're being hypocritical in the name of a higher power that they want you to believe in and follow even though they don't. Do as I say, not as I do. Rules for thee, not for me.I didn't say I would respect being lorded over. I said I respect people who actually follow what they claim to believe, just for that alone, not that I would necessarily agree with or support them. Now obviously if they really believed in something like rape and murder and incest and abuse, etc., I obviously don't respect that. I respect people who actually follow what they claim to believe as long as it doesn't infringe on the personhood of other people.
Can you think of a 'higher power' in anyone's life these days that is more tangible and real than Government?
And does anyone beat politicians when it comes to Rules for thee, but not me behavior?
Infringing. Such an important word and indication of wrong doing. Again, so many examples in our every day lives. But in my life, anyway, not so much from religious people or any sky dwelling deity.
I'm talking about what people consider a higher power in their lives, regardless of whether or not it is more tangible and real than government. And no, nobody beats politicians when it comes to rules for thee, not for me behavior -- especially religious right politicians, whose rules for thee, not for me behavior encompasses both politics and religion, which is intertwined for them. And yes, you're right about so many examples of infringing in our everyday lives. But as for much of it not being from religious people or any sky-dwelling entity, that's due to your fortunate personal experience, or rather your fortunate lack of personal experience. And the infringing is not from any sky-dwelling deity but rather from the people who claim to speak for said sky-dwelling deity.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 8, 2024 6:05:31 GMT
I'm talking about what people consider a higher power in their lives, regardless of whether or not it is more tangible and real than government. And no, nobody beats politicians when it comes to rules for thee, not for me behavior -- especially religious right politicians, whose rules for thee, not for me behavior encompasses both politics and religion, which is intertwined for them. And yes, you're right about so many examples of infringing in our everyday lives. But as for much of it not being from religious people or any sky-dwelling entity, that's due to your fortunate personal experience, or rather your fortunate lack of personal experience. And the infringing is not from any sky-dwelling deity but rather from the people who claim to speak for said sky-dwelling deity.
OK. But even that is yet another rabbit hole to go down. So many sects and conflicting beliefs. I'm beginning to wonder what many US religious groups even have left to state as their beliefs?
Agreed. I do think I've been fortunate in regards to the location of my birth, the time period and the personal interactions I've had with those of faith nearby. In many ways, that's gone better than much of my own family experiences.
found this:
How Congress’ religious makeup differs from the rest of America Congress is more Christian than the country as a whole Published: Jan 5, 2021 =============================
So are they lying sacks of shit because of their supposed religions? or merely because they're politicians?
Almost 90% of the 117th Congress is Christian, according to Pew, in comparison with 65% of the American public. ?
I'm not sure I really buy either of those figures. Seems high for the pols and low for Americans. Though whether or not either live up to their claims may skew it all.
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Post by SciFive on May 8, 2024 6:12:41 GMT
Hamas is the barbarians he was referring to, and you know it. No one can save the Gazan civilians from Hamas until they (Hamas) are gone. Nobody cas save the Gazan civilians from the marauding IDF. It's quite convenient that Gaza is now unliveable, so as soon as the 2 million Hamas enablers are gone there is some lovely beachfront property to be developed and useful farmland you can have for free. Gotta pay for the rat eradication some way. You’ve been in love with Hamas since Amazon. You can’t see straight because of it.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on May 8, 2024 6:46:26 GMT
I'm talking about what people consider a higher power in their lives, regardless of whether or not it is more tangible and real than government. And no, nobody beats politicians when it comes to rules for thee, not for me behavior -- especially religious right politicians, whose rules for thee, not for me behavior encompasses both politics and religion, which is intertwined for them. And yes, you're right about so many examples of infringing in our everyday lives. But as for much of it not being from religious people or any sky-dwelling entity, that's due to your fortunate personal experience, or rather your fortunate lack of personal experience. And the infringing is not from any sky-dwelling deity but rather from the people who claim to speak for said sky-dwelling deity.
OK. But even that is yet another rabbit hole to go down. So many sects and conflicting beliefs. I'm beginning to wonder what many US religious groups even have left to state as their beliefs?
Agreed. I do think I've been fortunate in regards to the location of my birth, the time period and the personal interactions I've had with those of faith nearby. In many ways, that's gone better than much of my own family experiences.
found this:
How Congress’ religious makeup differs from the rest of America Congress is more Christian than the country as a whole Published: Jan 5, 2021 =============================
So are they lying sacks of shit because of their supposed religions? or merely because they're politicians?
Almost 90% of the 117th Congress is Christian, according to Pew, in comparison with 65% of the American public. ?
I'm not sure I really buy either of those figures. Seems high for the pols and low for Americans. Though whether or not either live up to their claims may skew it all.
No, not lying sacks of shit because of their supposed religions. The lying is across the board for politicians. But the ones who continually preach from a spiritually moral high ground and don't back it up don't do anything for their faith and in fact invite even more backlash and cynicism upon themselves and, unfortunately, the faith in general. I cite Kristi Noem and Lauren Boebert as just two examples. No point in even mentioning Trump. Now Marjorie Taylor Greene, as off the grid mentally as she appears to be, seems sincere in her faith, even if her big mouth and antics and shenanigans continually get her in trouble with her Congressional colleagues. But nothing hypocritical and even comical faith-wise on the level of Noem and Boebert. Well, it appears the majority of American politicians identify as Christians more so than the majority of American civilians. More Americans are identifying as "other" if not a particular religion. But I think it's safe to say that the majority of people identifying as Christian are not literal Bible-believing Christians who believe that every single word in the Bible was dictated by God. And certainly the majority don't adhere closely to the teachings of the Bible and the church on many issues.
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Post by scream on May 8, 2024 6:50:00 GMT
Just because delusional idiots like Weinberg want to believe something, that doesn't make it true. People do evil things from a demon of sadistic desire. With or without religion. If someone cherry picks one phrase from a bible to do something sadistic, the same person will cherry pick one other reason if he doesn't believe in the Bible. You and Weinberg know this, but you're so wrapped up in hate that you won't admit it. So you are saying all the folks who have abused, enslaved, and murdered people in the name God and/or Christ were/are just evils shits to begin with. Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on May 8, 2024 7:21:38 GMT
Nobody cas save the Gazan civilians from the marauding IDF. It's quite convenient that Gaza is now unliveable, so as soon as the 2 million Hamas enablers are gone there is some lovely beachfront property to be developed and useful farmland you can have for free. Gotta pay for the rat eradication some way. Yeah, those evil Jews really like money, don't they? I don't think it is Judaism per se, although it is of course convenient to label all those against the IDF slaughter and destruction in Gaza as antisemitic, thereby adding connivance with the Holocaust as an automatic additional crime, allowing you to cover your ears and eyes and go "yayaya". More likely, some descendents (and hangers on like scifi) of Holocaust victims have convinced themselves the world owes them, and all of Palestine is the price, giving them permission to commit any crime to exact that price.
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Post by merh on May 14, 2024 22:30:55 GMT
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Post by jimmywynn on May 14, 2024 23:26:50 GMT
At Chris Watts' prison, he's in solitude because all the prisoners and all the guards, etc, despise him. He wouldn't last a minute in a general population.
That's why he should be in with the general pop
To do what the state should have done
As long as it's not by the hands of a trans.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 15, 2024 3:34:44 GMT
That's why he should be in with the general pop
To do what the state should have done
As long as it's not by the hands of a trans.
Izzat a bit like jazz hands? Wait, there is a reality TV person named Jazz, isn't there?
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