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Post by SciFive on Jun 14, 2024 23:50:50 GMT
Jihad against infidels goes all the way back to the founder.
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Post by SciFive on Jun 14, 2024 23:53:29 GMT
From my Thomas Jefferson thread:
In May 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams, then both diplomats in Europe, met with Tripoli's ambassador to London. Why did the North Africans attack ships of a country that had done nothing to provoke such hostility, the two asked him. The response was unnerving.
As Adams and Jefferson later reported to the Continental Congress, the ambassador said the raids were a jihad against infidels. Muslim privateers felt "it was their duty to make war upon them [non-Muslims] wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could as Prisoners, and that every Mussleman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
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Post by Roxy on Jun 15, 2024 1:04:09 GMT
Boy, aren't you infatuated with your victimhood and your pathos. ![[laugh]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/kPFtBpkwzwpFTaSmbFWI.gif) Are you serious? LOL. The vast majority of Jewish Israelis and of Jewish supporters of Israel are not infected with permanent victimhood. Jews are survivors, not victims. It is the Palestinians who have a permanent victim mentality. A good example is how the two peoples dealt with refugees. After WWII, hundreds of thousands of Jews were stuck in DP (Displaced Persons) camps in Europe, or had been driven out of Arab countries. But Israel took them in, put them in TEMPORARY refugee camps, built permanent housing, and moved all the refugees to the permanent housing when it was available. There is no Jewish refugee problem today. In contrast, the Palestinian refugee problem (which they call the nakba, the catastrophe) continues to this day. The Palestinian and other Arab leaders have refused making a deal with Israel which would give the Palestinians a state and thereby end the refugee problem. They would rather have the Palestinians continue to languish in refugee camps. Facts. They make for a great trollfire extinguisher. 🧯 But why speak truthfully of the many Arab Islamist states when you could support the destruction of Israel? 🤪 |
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2024 1:52:26 GMT
I have never heard of a Genocide in which 1.5% of a population was killed by bombing from the air. The Allied bombing of German and Japanese cities in WWII was never called a Genocide. Then you don't have the best ears. Genocide doesn't necessarily mean a Holocaust. 1.5% of the population is actually a lot. Are you even aware of what you are saying? I get it. When it is a politically favored people like the Palestinians, 1.5% of them killed is a Genocide. It all comes down to emotions. The world community likes the Palestinians and hates Israel, so it is obvious what the world will say. |
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2024 1:55:21 GMT
The Genocide lie remains a lie no matter how many times it is repeated. 1.5% of the population of Gaza killed is not Genocide. Ironically, it is Hamas that wants Genocide (of Jews). Yeah it's more like an ethnic cleansing with a lot of murder to encourage the targets to self-cleanse, but I'm not going to quibble about using the term genocide when thousands are dead and IDF troops post their depravity and callousness on TikTok. There is little if any murder. Israel goes out of its way to phone ahead, knock the roofs, and drop leaflets, in order to minimize casualties. |
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Post by Roxy on Jun 15, 2024 1:58:22 GMT
Hamas started the war and Sinwar now admits that his human shields have been “necessary sacrifices”. A few IDF soldiers are angry enough to put some things online. They risk their lives going up against Jihadis every day. It can be enough to cause anger. No, the war started when Zionists targeted their land, for their own ethnonationalist state and not a multireligious one. I can’t decipher if this is paranoid psychosis or Gameboy’s wildly racist influence. Will you please inform yourself on the world’s oldest and truest “ethnostate”, Greece. You don’t seem to understand the first thing about that hate monger’s personal agenda. It’s two-prong. Think. |
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2024 2:02:18 GMT
Hamas started the war and Sinwar now admits that his human shields have been “necessary sacrifices”. A few IDF soldiers are angry enough to put some things online. They risk their lives going up against Jihadis every day. It can be enough to cause anger. No, the war started when Zionists targeted their land, for their own ethnonationalist state and not a multireligious one. No, the Zionists PURCHASED land, which was completely legal. The Arabs started the war in 1947 because they disliked the UN partition resolution. That was silly, since General Assembly resolutions are non-binding suggestions. All the Arabs had to do was say, "No." They did, but then they also launched a war, probably because they thought the Jews would be pushovers who could be easily defeated, and then problem solved. Meanwhile, that "ethnonationalist state" has a population that includes 20% NON-Jewish citizens, mostly Arabs, who practice religions such as Islam, various branches of Christianity, and the Druze religion. |
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Post by jill on Jun 15, 2024 2:13:55 GMT
Then you don't have the best ears. Genocide doesn't necessarily mean a Holocaust. 1.5% of the population is actually a lot. Are you even aware of what you are saying? I get it. When it is a politically favored people like the Palestinians, 1.5% of them killed is a Genocide. It all comes down to emotions. The world community likes the Palestinians and hates Israel, so it is obvious what the world will say. ![[sleep]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/AjYgJEuorbWZunuxnSkO.gif) |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 15, 2024 3:06:27 GMT
The US government gave Israel billions AND vetoed Palestinian statehood at the UN in weapons and the Zionist crowd still pretends to be victims of "the west". That's not what the columnist is saying. He is saying that too many Westerners do not understand the fundamentally evil nature of Hamas. Sometimes a person or a gang is so evil that he or it cannot be compromised with, but instead must be destroyed. They are pretty much like the assholes at Waco who followed one idiot who claimed to be in direct contact with God and willing to die for it, only their compound is a lot bigger. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 15, 2024 3:09:17 GMT
There is not a single syllable in the op-ed that is wrong or false. The West has no problem identifying the evil in Islam, the problem is the West can't see its own evil. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 15, 2024 3:13:35 GMT
Evil is relative, therefore, using categories like "evil" or even "fundamentally evil" is not helpful. Even the columnist in the OP doesn't even try to define "evil", which invalidates much of his column. In the current conflict, Hamas is the aggressor. However, if Israel decides to obliterate them by killing almost all Palestinian civilians, then the question who is more evil will be open for debate.
I can't speak for the columnist, but I would define "evil" as the violation of a person's or persons' rights, or the desire to do so. Hamas's actions on October 7 obviously satisfy this definition. On the other hand, fighting back against the perpetrators when attacked is not evil. However, if Israel decides to obliterate them by killing almost all Palestinian civilians, then the question who is more evil will be open for debate. But Israel is not trying to do that. Even if we take Hamas's inflated figures, about 1.5% of the population of Gaza has been killed. That is not "almost all". And I bet ten bucks you will not define Jan 6th as the same type of evil as Oct 7, because trying to deprive the American voters of their civil rights is EXACTLY what Trump and his MAGA goons were doing. Evil is like this, when it happens to you, it's evil, when it doesn't, it's not evil. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 15, 2024 3:16:09 GMT
We tried to rid the world of evil 20 years ago, and it exposed the corruption within our own ranks.
Now we're a little more hesitant to go scorched earth, and rightfully so.
Though we still have a lot of idiot warmongers who refuse to learn from past mistakes.
We tried to rid the world of Communism and more or less succeeded, however the Right Wingers still don't feel safe in the beds. They want us to destroy Islam now and this will not be nearly as easy as defeating Communism. |
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Post by dlancer on Jun 15, 2024 3:20:09 GMT
We tried to rid the world of evil 20 years ago, and it exposed the corruption within our own ranks.
Now we're a little more hesitant to go scorched earth, and rightfully so.
Though we still have a lot of idiot warmongers who refuse to learn from past mistakes.
We tried to rid the world of Communism and more or less succeeded, however the Right Wingers still don't feel safe in the beds. They want us to destroy Islam now and this will not be nearly as easy as defeating Communism. They want to get rid of Islam, LGBTQ people, immigrants, vaccines, science, then it'll be the atheists and most certainly Jewish people, and then they'll just find something else to fear because the conservative amygdala can never be at peace. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 15, 2024 3:25:26 GMT
We tried to rid the world of Communism and more or less succeeded, however the Right Wingers still don't feel safe in the beds. They want us to destroy Islam now and this will not be nearly as easy as defeating Communism. They want to get rid of Islam, LGBTQ people, immigrants, vaccines, science, then it'll be the atheists and most certainly Jewish people, and then they'll just find something else to fear because the conservative amygdala can never be at peace. Oh, absolutely. Both Muslim and Christian Fundamentalists loathe the atheist, however, I think militant Christians will go after each other first. The bloodiest religious wars were between Christians. As bad as Islam is, there is no hate like Christian hate. They believe they have the right hate others as much as they want. We should stop calling Allah/Yahweh a war god, he is a hate god. |
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Post by marsatax on Jun 15, 2024 15:57:24 GMT
There is not a single syllable in the op-ed that is wrong or false. The West has no problem identifying the evil in Islam, the problem is the West can't see its own evil. Nonsense. The West allows free speech and the democratic passing of new laws, which are the means of self-correction. We abolished Jim Crow, took women's rights seriously, legalized homosexuality, and more. |
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