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Post by Fetzer Zinfandel ♀︎ on Jul 17, 2024 14:09:25 GMT
Go ask a maga, you stupid, stupid bitch. lol. sure pal.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Jul 17, 2024 14:09:40 GMT
This time he’ll appoint sycophants though, not folks who will try to steer him on the correct path. Only isolationist buttkissers which will doom the US and our allies to eventual full blown shooting wars with Russia and China in the near future. I hope you’re right, but I have my doubts. JD Vance is a China hawk. JD Vance will do what his master says. What he said in the past is irrelevant as he hated Trump up until recently. Now he licks the orange ass.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 17, 2024 14:12:17 GMT
Well one of your best Presidents said this in 1951: “If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project will have failed.” www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1997-jul-07-me-10464-story.htmlDon't look at the rest of the 1997 article because it's once again spreading Putin propaganda that NATO expansion is a mistake. Eisenhower probably assumed Europe would be able to stand on its own. That never transpired as Soviet power grew. And it still can’t stand on its own. Putin’s choice to attack Ukraine isn’t the fault of NATO. The Russians elected a fascist and kept re-electing him. That was the problem. Russia won’t ever be a liberal democracy. It doesn’t work in their culture which prefers the strongman. There was warning made in the 90's, I don't remember if it was George Kennan or Jack Matlock Jr. or someone else, that said that NATO expansion will strengthen the non democratic opposition in Russia and the nationalists forces. We'll never know what would've happened. What I do know is in 90's there might have been an opportunity to make Russia a partner and the West didn't take it. Now here we are.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 17, 2024 14:13:45 GMT
JD Vance is a China hawk. JD Vance will do what his master says. What he said in the past is irrelevant as he hated Trump up until recently. Now he licks the orange ass. He's an opportunist the way I see it. I think his true beliefs are more in line with establishment Republicans than what Trump preaches. Also Trump was pretty aggressive towards China during his first term.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Jul 17, 2024 14:15:39 GMT
Eisenhower probably assumed Europe would be able to stand on its own. That never transpired as Soviet power grew. And it still can’t stand on its own. Putin’s choice to attack Ukraine isn’t the fault of NATO. The Russians elected a fascist and kept re-electing him. That was the problem. Russia won’t ever be a liberal democracy. It doesn’t work in their culture which prefers the strongman. There was warning made in the 90's, I don't remember if it was George Kennan or Jack Matlock Jr. or someone else, that said that NATO expansion will strengthen the non democratic opposition in Russia and the nationalists forces. We'll never know what would've happened. What I do know is in 90's there might have been an opportunity to make Russia a partner and the West didn't take it. Now here we are. Wait, that’s not entirely true the West tried over and over to get Russia on our side. They were made a NATO consult of some sort, President after President tried with Russia from Clinton to Obama (all failed), European countries did the same, the bottom line was they have a guy who wants to reconstitute the Soviet Empire, lest we forget he said the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century was the collapse of the USSR.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 17, 2024 14:22:54 GMT
There was warning made in the 90's, I don't remember if it was George Kennan or Jack Matlock Jr. or someone else, that said that NATO expansion will strengthen the non democratic opposition in Russia and the nationalists forces. We'll never know what would've happened. What I do know is in 90's there might have been an opportunity to make Russia a partner and the West didn't take it. Now here we are. Wait, that’s not entirely true the West tried over and over to get Russia on our side. They were made a NATO consult of some sort, President after President tried with Russia from Clinton to Obama (all failed), European countries did the same, the bottom line was they have a guy who wants to reconstitute the Soviet Empire, lest we forget he said the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century was the collapse of the USSR. The same person also said that those who want to bring the Soviet Union back have no brains.
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Post by cts1 on Jul 17, 2024 14:25:07 GMT
JD Vance is a China hawk. JD Vance will do what his master says. What he said in the past is irrelevant as he hated Trump up until recently. Now he licks the orange ass. How does he get Devin Nunes out of the way?
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Post by vegas on Jul 17, 2024 15:02:16 GMT
I'll have to wait and see who is going into the Trump administration
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Jul 17, 2024 15:02:38 GMT
Wait, that’s not entirely true the West tried over and over to get Russia on our side. They were made a NATO consult of some sort, President after President tried with Russia from Clinton to Obama (all failed), European countries did the same, the bottom line was they have a guy who wants to reconstitute the Soviet Empire, lest we forget he said the greatest tragedy of the 20th Century was the collapse of the USSR. The same person also said that those who want to bring the Soviet Union back have no brains. Putin told Bush 43 in private that Ukraine isn’t a real country.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 17, 2024 15:13:32 GMT
The same person also said that those who want to bring the Soviet Union back have no brains. Putin told Bush 43 in private that Ukraine isn’t a real country. Bush also said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. He might have said that truly. Does it mean he would've attacked anyway if status quo that existed in Ukraine between their independence and the Euromaidan events was kept in place? We'll never know. George Burns also said in 2008 that Ukraine expansion into Ukraine was the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite, not just Putin.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Jul 17, 2024 15:54:17 GMT
Putin told Bush 43 in private that Ukraine isn’t a real country. Bush also said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. He might have said that truly. Does it mean he would've attacked anyway if status quo that existed in Ukraine between their independence and the Euromaidan events was kept in place? We'll never know. George Burns also said in 2008 that Ukraine expansion into Ukraine was the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite, not just Putin. I think you mean NATO, right? And what about what those countries want that joined NATO in the East? They all wanted in, badly, because they know what Russia is capable of doing. Was it a self-fulfilling prophecy by them joining NATO because Russia is imperialist and will attack? Maybe, but so far Russia has only attacked its non-NATO neighbors.
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Post by Based Chad on Jul 17, 2024 16:10:08 GMT
I'll have to wait and see who is going into the Trump administration but if his second term is anything like the first one, not only NATO will remain intact, support for Ukraine will continue. A lot money is going to the US weapons industry... I doubt Trump is going to stand in the way. This time he’ll appoint sycophants though, not folks who will try to steer him on the correct path. Only isolationist buttkissers which will doom the US and our allies to eventual full blown shooting wars with Russia and China in the near future. I hope you’re right, but I have my doubts. So isolationists who leave China and Russia alone will start wars, where as people like Biden and Nuland arming Ukraine to attack Russians will bring us peace with Russia? Huh? Make it make sense.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 17, 2024 16:12:12 GMT
Bush also said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. He might have said that truly. Does it mean he would've attacked anyway if status quo that existed in Ukraine between their independence and the Euromaidan events was kept in place? We'll never know. George Burns also said in 2008 that Ukraine expansion into Ukraine was the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite, not just Putin. I think you mean NATO, right? And what about what those countries want that joined NATO in the East? They all wanted in, badly, because they know what Russia is capable of doing. Was it a self-fulfilling prophecy by them joining NATO because Russia is imperialist and will attack? Maybe, but so far Russia has only attacked its non-NATO neighbors. Yes, NATO. And both countries were the ones most historically tied to Russia and only after the Bucharest NATO Summit where it was declared that they would become NATO members: Georgia and Ukraine. And there is an argument to be made that the invasion of Georgia only happened because Georgia bit a more than they could chew when tried to retake the separatist regions. Russia never invaded other former members of the Soviet Union like Armenia or Kazakhstan. Even countries that left the CSTO like Azerbaijan or Uzbekistan weren't invaded. Russia was always against NATO enlargement, even during the Yeltsin years but they didn't do much either by inability or because they would hope for good relations with the West. Even the annexation of Crimea in 2014 seems to have been an impulsive decision by Putin after the Euromaidan events. It wasn't something that was always planned and was bound to happen even if Yanukovitch remained in power.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jul 17, 2024 16:16:32 GMT
Things might not have gotten so bad in Ukraine if Trump was in power. Even Noam Chomsky thought so.. Renowned author, linguist and philosopher Noam Chomsky — known for ruffling feathers with his dissident views — invited an onslaught of criticism last month for calling former US President Donald Trump the “one Western statesman of stature” who has laid out a “sensible” solution to the war in Ukraine. linkWarmongers got their way and found an excuse to send billions of American taxpayer dollars down the memory hole into oblivion. Most Americans don't give a flying fuck that their government can't even account for exactly where all those billions went.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Jul 17, 2024 16:19:26 GMT
This time he’ll appoint sycophants though, not folks who will try to steer him on the correct path. Only isolationist buttkissers which will doom the US and our allies to eventual full blown shooting wars with Russia and China in the near future. I hope you’re right, but I have my doubts. So isolationists who leave China and Russia alone will start wars, where as people like Biden and Nuland arming Ukraine to attack Russians will bring us peace with Russia? Huh? Make it make sense. I don’t think you understand what’s coming when Trump wins. Russia will be more emboldened than ever. Trump will poke Iran ever more and perhaps China, unless he wants a reset with the latter. More war will happen under Trump.
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