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Post by movieliker on Feb 13, 2018 18:38:42 GMT
Public schooling costs over $15,000 per student per year on average. Sanctuary cities spend far more. Students who don’t speak English cost much more. Each and every illegal Dreamer, paid nowhere near enough in sales tax and whatever else to offset even just that ONE government benefit. NO ONE “makes more money for the United States than they cost it”. America is in debt, Einstein. Now how can you go on, having been blatantly lied to by the intellectual class who made up the study? I’m going to explain their angle. Illegals, legals, whatever, do NOT “make money for the United States”. That money is private. They make money for the giant corporations that employ them. They devalue labor and cause income inequality (by definition). So along with the social burden they cause for working class people, it’s a double whammy. It’s just like professional sports. Government builds a stadium and gives it to some rich Jew and his plantation black athletes. The cost is socialized, the profits privatized, fascism. And the justification that it will “increase economic activity/absolve you of white guilt”, i.e. other large corporations make windfall selling junk to spectators, is so dumb only a liberal could believe it. In fact you probably stopped reading when I said Jew, because that’s antisemitism and good little boot lickers like you need every opportunity to play victim when you’re oppressing us this badly. I wish you were as bankrupt financially as you are intellectually. Get out of America. Well, it is about time you quoted any article supporting your position. Except you provide no links. Where did you get this? White Nationalist Review? KKK monthly? White Supremist Today? Xenophobia Forever? All the articles I provided links to say that in spite of the costs illegals cost the country, they still bring in more money than they cost. So, you are going to have to do better than just quoting some unnamed article. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 19:05:29 GMT
Public schooling costs over $15,000 per student per year on average. Sanctuary cities spend far more. Students who don’t speak English cost much more. Each and every illegal Dreamer, paid nowhere near enough in sales tax and whatever else to offset even just that ONE government benefit. NO ONE “makes more money for the United States than they cost it”. America is in debt, Einstein. Now how can you go on, having been blatantly lied to by the intellectual class who made up the study? I’m going to explain their angle. Illegals, legals, whatever, do NOT “make money for the United States”. That money is private. They make money for the giant corporations that employ them. They devalue labor and cause income inequality (by definition). So along with the social burden they cause for working class people, it’s a double whammy. It’s just like professional sports. Government builds a stadium and gives it to some rich Jew and his plantation black athletes. The cost is socialized, the profits privatized, fascism. And the justification that it will “increase economic activity/absolve you of white guilt”, i.e. other large corporations make windfall selling junk to spectators, is so dumb only a liberal could believe it. In fact you probably stopped reading when I said Jew, because that’s antisemitism and good little boot lickers like you need every opportunity to play victim when you’re oppressing us this badly. I wish you were as bankrupt financially as you are intellectually. Get out of America. Well, it is about time you quoted any article supporting your position. Except you provide no links. Where did you get this? White Nationalist Review? KKK monthly? White Supremist Today? All the articles I provided links to say that in spite of the costs illegals cost the country, they still bring in more money than they cost. So, you are going to have to do better than just quoting some unnamed article. As an observer on this, I'll point out that the links you provided come from sites that "very likely" have an innate bias on this position. For example, the Huffington Post article (just the first one I picked) starts with a lot of claims and President Trump bashing, but the first reference to any data (several paragraphs later) comes from " a 2010 report by the American Immigration Council, "that states that" undocumented immigrants pay as much as $90 billion in taxes but receive just $5 billion in benefits. Come on, the American Immigration Council is a fair and balanced outfit? No, they are an advocacy group for IMMIGRANTS!!, backed by the American Immigration Lawyers Association, who are lawyers for IMMIGRANTS!! And of course, the HuffPo article contains no links to the original study to let you research the study and critique it for blatant areas of bias, omissions, mis-categorizations of data, etc. This is the case, practically every time you did a little deeper for truth, but the left knows that if they quote a data study, most people (because they are stupid and won't think for themselves) will take the results as fact on the blind assumption is that it must have been done by intelligent and honest people right? No. Wake up! It was done (and funded) by politically biased hacks to produce the result they wanted all along.
I like to have intelligent discussions on this, but if you had called me a white supremacist or hinted at KKK associations like you did to scienceisgod (easy for you to do when you're not face-to-face isn't it?), I'd permanently block you. If you did it to my face, well yeah....... I'll leave it at that. Yes. I find it that offensive. So please refrain from that with me.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 13, 2018 19:22:35 GMT
Well, it is about time you quoted any article supporting your position. Except you provide no links. Where did you get this? White Nationalist Review? KKK monthly? White Supremist Today? All the articles I provided links to say that in spite of the costs illegals cost the country, they still bring in more money than they cost. So, you are going to have to do better than just quoting some unnamed article. As an observer on this, I'll point out that the links you provided come from sites that "very likely" have an innate bias on this position. For example, the Huffington Post article (just the first one I picked) starts with a lot of claims and President Trump bashing, but the first reference to any data (several paragraphs later) comes from " a 2010 report by the American Immigration Council, "that states that" undocumented immigrants pay as much as $90 billion in taxes but receive just $5 billion in benefits. Come on, the American Immigration Council is a fair and balanced outfit? No, they are an advocacy group for IMMIGRANTS!!, backed by the American Immigration Lawyers Association, who are lawyers for IMMIGRANTS!! And of course, the HuffPo article contains no links to the original study to let you research the study and critique it for blatant areas of bias. This is the case, practically every time you did a little deeper for truth, but the left knows that if they quote a data study, most people (because they are stupid and won't think for themselves) will take the results as fact because their blind assumptions is that it must have been done by intelligent and honest people right. No. Wake up! It was done (and funded) by politically biased hacks to produce the result they wanted all along. No doubt The Huffington Post is left wing. That is one reason I posted the source. But that was the only data I could find that looked at the big picture. All the rest were either anti immigrant biased, or they didn't have the big picture (examined only one aspect of immigrantion). And surprisingly enough, most articles that listed statistics, only went back to 2010. Many sources said there is no government statistics focused on just immigrants. So I guess it takes a long time to put any study together. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 19:26:59 GMT
As an observer on this, I'll point out that the links you provided come from sites that "very likely" have an innate bias on this position. For example, the Huffington Post article (just the first one I picked) starts with a lot of claims and President Trump bashing, but the first reference to any data (several paragraphs later) comes from " a 2010 report by the American Immigration Council, "that states that" undocumented immigrants pay as much as $90 billion in taxes but receive just $5 billion in benefits. Come on, the American Immigration Council is a fair and balanced outfit? No, they are an advocacy group for IMMIGRANTS!!, backed by the American Immigration Lawyers Association, who are lawyers for IMMIGRANTS!! And of course, the HuffPo article contains no links to the original study to let you research the study and critique it for blatant areas of bias. This is the case, practically every time you did a little deeper for truth, but the left knows that if they quote a data study, most people (because they are stupid and won't think for themselves) will take the results as fact because their blind assumptions is that it must have been done by intelligent and honest people right. No. Wake up! It was done (and funded) by politically biased hacks to produce the result they wanted all along. No doubt The Huffington Post is left wing. That is one reason I posted the source. But that was the only data I could find that looked at the big picture. All the rest were either anti immigrant biased, or they didn't have the big picture (examined only one aspect of immigrantion). And surprisingly enough, most articles that listed statistics, only went back to 2010. Many sources said there is no government statistics focused on just immigrants. So I guess it takes a long time to put any study together. I appreciate the polite response. All I ask for is honesty and an attempt at getting to the truth. Neither side has a monopoly on those things. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 13, 2018 19:48:24 GMT
No doubt The Huffington Post is left wing. That is one reason I posted the source. But that was the only data I could find that looked at the big picture. All the rest were either anti immigrant biased, or they didn't have the big picture (examined only one aspect of immigrantion). And surprisingly enough, most articles that listed statistics, only went back to 2010. Many sources said there is no government statistics focused on just immigrants. So I guess it takes a long time to put any study together. I appreciate the polite response. All I ask for is honesty and an attempt at getting to the truth. Neither side has a monopoly on those things. I am usually polite when talking on message boards. Even with those with whom I disagree. But doctorinpa and scienceisgod have a history of lying and insulting anyone they don't agree with. And according to SlowComingWarbird, they are the same person. If that is true, that would be another example of his deceit. So, I feel he deserves the treatment I give him. And it doesn't help when the subject matter is emotionally charged. And, I was dealing with hateful bigots on another board at the same time. But still, I went back and read all my post to doctorinpa and scienceisgod. They are lucky that is all I told them. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 13, 2018 20:23:22 GMT
I have noticed that when one has made a good argument on a message board, the other side will generally focus on some very tiny point and ignore the rest. I take that as a high compliment. That was really the whole point of this thread. Whether or not illegal aliens pay taxes. Not whether you think they should stay or go. Many people respond with, "They are illegal aliens." Well, according to your post, just being illegal means very little. People who rightfully get speeding tickets are illegal law breakers. People who cheat on their taxes are illegal law breakers. And --- people who commit serial murder --- are illegal law breakers. So, should we treat all law breakers equally? Those who are against illegal immigration talk as if them crossing the border desperately looking for work, is equal in threat to murder or terrorism. But I digress. Whether or not someone supports or abhors illegal immigrantion is a different subject from whether or not they pay taxes. One is a matter of position. The other is fact. Anybody can hold the position that illegal immigrants should be deported. But anyone --- like doctorinpa and scienceisgod --- who say illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, is flat out lying. Or really stupid. |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 14, 2018 4:29:29 GMT
Not whether you think they should stay or go. Many people respond with, "They are illegal aliens." Well, according to your post, just being illegal means very little. People who rightfully get speeding tickets are illegal law breakers. People who cheat on their taxes are illegal law breakers. And --- people who commit serial murder --- are illegal law breakers. So, should we treat all law breakers equally? Interesting question. I certainly wish we could return to a situation where we are a nation of laws, not a nation of groups. And, yeah, you will notice that crimes of different severities have different punishments as seen fit under our laws. The penalty for murder is different than the penalty for tax evasion, but no one lets the tax evader defend himself by saying "I didn't kill anyone, so I should be left alone." Notice also that immigration violations are unique in that they are the only crime where society gives credit to the criminal for being successful at committing the crime. "Oh, he's been living here illegally for a decade? Amnesty! It wouldn't be right to deport him." |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 14, 2018 5:46:13 GMT
Not whether you think they should stay or go. Many people respond with, "They are illegal aliens." Well, according to your post, just being illegal means very little. People who rightfully get speeding tickets are illegal law breakers. People who cheat on their taxes are illegal law breakers. And --- people who commit serial murder --- are illegal law breakers. So, should we treat all law breakers equally? Interesting question. I certainly wish we could return to a situation where we are a nation of laws, not a nation of groups. And, yeah, you will notice that crimes of different severities have different punishments as seen fit under our laws. The penalty for murder is different than the penalty for tax evasion, but no one lets the tax evader defend himself by saying "I didn't kill anyone, so I should be left alone." Notice also that immigration violations are unique in that they are the only crime where society gives credit to the criminal for being successful at committing the crime. "Oh, he's been living here illegally for a decade? Amnesty! It wouldn't be right to deport him." It would appear you are over simplifying the issue. Yes, legal citizens who legitimately break the law get off Scott free all the time. Prosecutors and judges decide regularly that, "It is only his/her first offense. Let them go with a warning. But tell them next time . . . " So no, not just illegal immigrants are getting judged by severity of offense. And do not glorify the past. If you don't think personal discretion was not always a part of the justice system since the beginning of humanity, you are fooling yourself. |
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