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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2018 17:15:12 GMT
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Post by Earthlings on Feb 12, 2018 17:43:53 GMT
Sure many pay taxes. But many don't. And ask the parents of Kathryn Steinle what they think of "undocumented-immigrants". Democrats and liberals need to look up the definition of the word ILLEGAL. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2018 18:00:13 GMT
Sure many pay taxes. But many don't. And ask the parents of Kathryn Steinle what they think of "undocumented-immigrants". Democrats and liberals need to look up the definition of the word ILLEGAL. Legal citizens commit more crime per capita than illegals do. Some laws are bad laws. That is what most people who support illegal immigrants think and feel. Some laws need to be changed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 19:21:37 GMT
Sure many pay taxes. But many don't. And ask the parents of Kathryn Steinle what they think of "undocumented-immigrants". Democrats and liberals need to look up the definition of the word ILLEGAL. Legal citizens commit more crime per capita than illegals do. Some laws are bad laws. That is what most people who support illegal immigrants think and feel. Some laws need to be changed. No personal vehemence intended, but....
Every illegal immigrant has committed a crime. I know that's not the type of crime you are referring to, but you also have to be very careful of the data studies you quote on such topics. Data studies these days are highly biased toward achieving the answer that they wanted all along. There was a similar study that said that you were more likely to be killed by a white terrorist than an islamist terrorist. I researched this to find so many flaws, the major one being that there were violent events committed by muslims that were not being classified as terror events, such as the DC sniper. The study was also funded by a left wing group in North Carolina.
Common sense would say that these people would be committing an equal number of crimes as others, except for the fact that this population includes 1) those that are abjectly impoverished or 2) those that are criminally violent undesirables in their own country escaping to a new one. These kind of people commit more crime, one for basic survival, the other for habitual reasons. Common sense would also say that most of the people coming here illegally are just trying to start a new and better life for themselves in a far better country, one that appears to offer opportunities and to be honest, one that offer a promise of handout benefits.
Which leads to the fact that I take great offense to the blanket statement "In spite of what scienceisgod, doctorinpa, and all the rest of you xenophobic bigots on here think" which sadly is a typical response, one that is truly baseless and uninformed. I support immigration, but at the same time, I believe we have every right to control it's numbers, to the end that 1) we can afford to bear the economic burden of these people and ensure that current citizens are first granted every right to the pursuit of happiness, et al. and 2) that we can assimilate these people properly to the rules and norms of basic society. We are a melting pot, but we must also retain that unique American flavor. It's good for the whole world that we do.
Did you note that I make no exclusions based upon race or religion? I consider myself as one of the "rest of you" here, and I will not be called a racist, xenophobe by you or anyone else. I am likely far less racist that you. I'll admit that I have a low opinion of muslims because of their treatment of women, and their desire to live by their own laws, but that's a culture issue, not a race one.
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 12, 2018 19:41:44 GMT
The question is why do they pay taxes. The answer is that it is the law, and this particular law you will get in serious trouble for violating.
The media and the politicians could, if they wanted to, whip up a good yarn about how evading taxes is actually an act of love, how evading taxes is just taking care of your family in a desperate situation, how none of our ancestors paid income taxes (if you go far enough back) so we are really all a nation of non-taxpayers, about how breaking tax law is not really criminal behavior like murder and bank robbery, about how we need to fix our broken tax enforcement system and bring tax cheats...er, I mean non-taxpaying citizens...out of the shadows.
And on and on and on.
But we don't do that, because there is not a political or media constituency for lawbreaking tax evaders; the government is not served well by that particular bunch of lawbreakers, so the hammer consistently falls on the side of enforcing that law.
Ergo, illegal aliens mostly pay taxes, because it is an area in which we insist on the rule of law.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2018 19:50:56 GMT
Legal citizens commit more crime per capita than illegals do. Some laws are bad laws. That is what most people who support illegal immigrants think and feel. Some laws need to be changed. No personal vehemence intended, but....
Every illegal immigrant has committed a crime. I know that's not the type of crime you are referring to, but you also have to be very careful of the data studies you quote on such topics. Data studies these days are highly biased toward achieving the answer that they wanted all along. There was a similar study that said that you were more likely to be killed by a white terrorist than an islamist terrorist. I researched this to find so many flaws, the major one being that there were violent events committed by muslims that were not being classified as terror events, such as the DC sniper. The study was also funded by a left wing group in North Carolina.
Common sense would say that these people would be committing an equal number of crimes as others, except for the fact that this population includes 1) those that are abjectly impoverished or 2) those that are criminally violent undesirables in their own country escaping to a new one. These kind of people commit more crime, one for basic survival, the other for habitual reasons. Common sense would also say that most of the people coming here illegally are just trying to start a new and better life for themselves in a far better country, one that appears to offer opportunities and to be honest, one that offer a promise of handout benefits.
Which leads to the fact that I take great offense to the blanket statement "In spite of what scienceisgod, doctorinpa, and all the rest of you xenophobic bigots on here think" which sadly is a typical response, one that is truly baseless and uninformed. I support immigration, but at the same time, I believe we have every right to control it's numbers, to the end that 1) we can afford to bear the economic burden of these people and ensure that current citizens are first granted every right to the pursuit of happiness, et al. and 2) that we can assimilate these people properly to the rules and norms of basic society. We are a melting pot, but we must also retain that unique American flavor. It's good for the whole world that we do.
Did you note that I make no exclusions based upon race or religion? I consider myself as one of the "rest of you" here, and I will not be called a racist, xenophobe by you or anyone else. I am likely far less racist that you. I'll admit that I have a low opinion of muslims because of their treatment of women, and their desire to live by their own laws, but that's a culture issue, not a race one.
Sorry if you are offended. But I find it offensive that some posters want to post outright lies like, "Illegal immigrants don't pay taxes." So, I guess we will just have to keep out big boy pants on and deal with it. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2018 19:53:59 GMT
Ergo, illegal aliens mostly pay taxes, because it is an area in which we insist on the rule of law. Thank you for agreeing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:07:52 GMT
Sure many pay taxes. But many don't. And ask the parents of Kathryn Steinle what they think of "undocumented-immigrants". Democrats and liberals need to look up the definition of the word ILLEGAL. correct you need a SSN to pay taxes. many get them illegally. that doesnt make them legal. And many dont pay taxes. IRS is trying to make it easier to pay one without a SNN but it hasnt happened YET. Do you think when some white roofer with a mexican crew is doing your taxes that his illegal crew are actually paying the govt?Apparently some people are that naive. All cash business., he isnt reporting anything while living 10 to a house. About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds PROOF: www.cnsnews.com/commentary/james-agresti/about-61-million-illegals-filed-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refunds |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:17:33 GMT
Sure many pay taxes. But many don't. And ask the parents of Kathryn Steinle what they think of "undocumented-immigrants". Democrats and liberals need to look up the definition of the word ILLEGAL. correct you need a SSN to pay taxes. many get them illegally. that doesnt make them legal. And many dont pay taxes. IRS is trying to make it easier to pay one without a SNN but it hasnt happened YET. Do you think when some white roofer with a mexican crew is doing your taxes that his illegal crew are actually paying the govt?Apparently some people are that naive. All cash business., he isnt reporting anything while living 10 to a house. About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds PROOF: www.cnsnews.com/commentary/james-agresti/about-61-million-illegals-filed-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refundsAnd I have a suspicion that the Obama Administration was subversively funding such "projects", all the while encouraging more and more illegals to enter the country. Weren't there several stories about significant money (like 600 billion) going missing in Federal departments during the Obama years? It didn't all go to his (or HRC's) cronies. |
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Post by movieliker on Feb 12, 2018 20:23:37 GMT
Sure many pay taxes. But many don't. And ask the parents of Kathryn Steinle what they think of "undocumented-immigrants". Democrats and liberals need to look up the definition of the word ILLEGAL. correct you need a SSN to pay taxes. many get them illegally. that doesnt make them legal. And many dont pay taxes. IRS is trying to make it easier to pay one without a SNN but it hasnt happened YET. Do you think when some white roofer with a mexican crew is doing your taxes that his illegal crew are actually paying the govt?Apparently some people are that naive. All cash business., he isnt reporting anything while living 10 to a house. About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds PROOF: www.cnsnews.com/commentary/james-agresti/about-61-million-illegals-filed-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refundsOnce again doctorinpa you are proving you don't know what you are talking about. Illegals pay taxes by way of an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) from the Internal Revenue Service. Not a Social Security number. You are an idiot, a liar and a xenophobic bigot. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:30:52 GMT
correct you need a SSN to pay taxes. many get them illegally. that doesnt make them legal. And many dont pay taxes. IRS is trying to make it easier to pay one without a SNN but it hasnt happened YET. Do you think when some white roofer with a mexican crew is doing your taxes that his illegal crew are actually paying the govt?Apparently some people are that naive. All cash business., he isnt reporting anything while living 10 to a house. About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds PROOF: www.cnsnews.com/commentary/james-agresti/about-61-million-illegals-filed-taxes-us-many-didnt-pay-received-refundsOnce again doctorinpa you are proving you don't know what you are talking about. Illegals pay taxes by way of an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) from the Internal Revenue Service. Not a Social Security number. You are an idiot, a liar and a xenophobic bigot. I am not the one who called Amish people stupid. pot kettle black They can afford to live 10 to a house BECAUSE they dont pay taxes! even if they can or do- they are paying little or nothing. some legal mexican tried to rent a house from my friend so that 11 illegal mexicans can live there under his name) and since you have to insult to tr to get your point across. you already lost. Good Job. you are done. You should go back to the other room. They are waiting for you since Mike said you make the same posts here as you do THERE( still unemployed i see since you have all that time to do this speaking of NOT PAYING TAXES, eh?). Your liberal whining would fit in well here. since you live in Lousiana I heard the blacks IN New Orleans are nothing but lazy sobs; so I can see why you would ALSO be BOTH dem and unemployed with da brothers. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 20:48:00 GMT
Once again doctorinpa you are proving you don't know what you are talking about. Illegals pay taxes by way of an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) from the Internal Revenue Service. Not a Social Security number. You are an idiot, a liar and a xenophobic bigot. I am not the one who called Amish people stupid. pot kettle black They can afford to live 10 to a house BECAUSE they dont pay taxes! even if they can or do- they are paying little or nothing. some legal mexican tried to rent a house from my friend so that 11 illegal mexicans can live there under his name) and since you have to insult to tr to get your point across. you already lost. Good Job. you are done. You should go back to the other room. They are waiting for you since Mike said you make the same posts here as you do THERE( still unemployed i see since you have all that time to do this speaking of NOT PAYING TAXES, eh?). Your liberal whining would fit in well here. since you live in Lousiana I heard the blacks IN New Orleans are nothing but lazy sobs; so I can see why you would ALSO be BOTH dem and unemployed with da brothers. Equally culpable (likely more so) are the corporations involved in hiring illegals like Case Farms and Tyson Foods and just about any local landscaping company. I am a total supporter of a law that would involve mandatory jail time for HR Professionals who hire illegals, as well as ALL senior staff at such companies (CEO, CFO, etc.) on the first offense when it is proven that they didn't properly check status and follow the law. Our food prices might go up, but how quickly do you think it would stop?
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Post by Earthlings on Feb 12, 2018 20:55:42 GMT
Quite a speech you gave. But you hit the nail on the head when you said: Every illegal immigrant has committed a crime.
And liberals and Democrats (is there a difference) just want to look the other way. But if a white cop shoots a black man those same liberals and Democrats want a full investigation no matter how justified the shooting was. Hypocrites each and everyone of them. |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 12, 2018 21:25:59 GMT
Ergo, illegal aliens mostly pay taxes, because it is an area in which we insist on the rule of law. Thank you for agreeing. I have noticed that when one has made a good argument on a message board, the other side will generally focus on some very tiny point and ignore the rest. I take that as a high compliment. |
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Post by NoRevisionism on Feb 12, 2018 21:29:26 GMT
I could care less if they all stood in line to blow me while paying their taxes.
I don't wanna "Press 1 for English" anymore in my own fucking country.
Ship the assholes back by the trainload.
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