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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 17:10:16 GMT
Yes, big difference and terrible analogy. Those skills are required to get through life and for many people to get the jobs they want. Whether they're learned in a school or wherever is irrelevant. Religion though isn't required for anything. Alright. Then show me the great agnostic-founded empire in history. Ancient beliefs are good and useful today so long as great things were built back then, is what you're saying? |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 17:13:50 GMT
Fair enough, but it's the only guard we have against the horror of cultural relativism which is enabled by "humanism". Case in point, the Communist governments reign while banning religion. I rather live in a world dominated by current cultural relativism over a world dominated by religion. Things are better now than they were centuries ago. For example, I rather live in cultural relativistic California, Europe over any "religious" dominated country like Saudi Arabia or Iran. Fair enough about Communism, but I'm not arguing that Communism is a good source of morals or ethics. The issue is that California and Europe are only superficially practicing cultural relativism as they are in fact still culturally Christian. As that erodes, those two places seem to be falling apart faster than the places that are more traditionally Christian. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Nov 18, 2024 17:14:19 GMT
I don't usually engage with you but you can't be THAT ignorant. Do you seriously believe that a religious belief of any other part of a culture, for that matter, forms as a conspiracy?
It's what they've been taught. How best to be a victim at all times.
It pains me to say this about Molly, but I think she made quite a good point in relation to the various religions papa listed. Which is probably why a relatively large and diverse range of posters here liked her post. One doesn't have to be a fan of the poster, on even on good terms with them, to be able to acknowledge when they are right and have made a valid point. papamihel, |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Nov 18, 2024 17:15:40 GMT
When we die we become part of the universe. But I played the following song at my both my wife and my mother's funerals. And when my wife was dying I told her to say hullo to her parents, find my old dog Jake and wait for me to join her. I know the truth, but I want to dream while I live my every moment on earth to the fullest. well said, Jeffy, you Godless Sodomite |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 17:16:15 GMT
Alright. Then show me the great agnostic-founded empire in history. Ancient beliefs are good and useful today so long as great things were built back then, is what you're saying? There does for sure seem to be a steep decline in the quality of art as modernism replaced traditional art.  Many would see this as a severe decay of culture. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Nov 18, 2024 17:16:22 GMT
well said, Jeffy, you Godless Sodomite ![[cheers]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/aglhVEHQrHaJeFlTZSWP.gif) |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 17:20:41 GMT
Oh God man, whenever your name appears in my notification I always I vomit a little in my mouth because I know it'll be nothing but nauseating stupidity as usual. Sure enough, here comes a fresh batch from you. I politely respond to you with a point that even another poster said had merit, and you immediately lash out because you don't like what was said. 4 years ago, your temperament was different and you would have put the emphasis on having a discussion instead of launching unprovoked, irrelevant insults to distract from the issue. Makes me sad. I didn't say you were an atheist. Fail on your part. Communism does not label itself a religion. It calls itself an extension of humanism. And it is. Who is the most vocal group against said surgeries in the West? ^Case in point, fucking nauseating back-and-forth as usual. ![[sleep]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/AjYgJEuorbWZunuxnSkO.gif) I didn't say you said I was atheist, but just pointing out that against religion doesn't necessarily mean atheism, since it seemed like you were suggesting it means that. I'm not saying communism is a religion, which is why I put "religion" in quotes. It's an ideology though and propaganda they wanted to fill people's heads with as a way of life, similar to how religion is an ideology that they didn't want out there as a distraction. By "vocal groups against said surgeries" you mean virtue-signalling partisan hacks making a mountain out of a nothingburger for political reasons since hospitals aren't doing trans surgery on kids and the left they keep falsely accusing of being in favor of that isn't for that either. I'm not doing a merry-go-round with you here over your obsession with transgenders dude so I'm done with this bullshit. Anything else? |
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2024 17:20:47 GMT
I rather live in a world dominated by current cultural relativism over a world dominated by religion. Things are better now than they were centuries ago. For example, I rather live in cultural relativistic California, Europe over any "religious" dominated country like Saudi Arabia or Iran. Fair enough about Communism, but I'm not arguing that Communism is a good source of morals or ethics. The issue is that California and Europe are only superficially practicing cultural relativism as they are in fact still culturally Christian. As that erodes, those two places seem to be falling apart faster than the places that are more traditionally Christian. Some of the countries with the highest development index are countries that are secular or with a lot of people who think religion is not an important thing on their lives. Some of the lowest are heavily religious countries. |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 17:23:58 GMT
The issue is that California and Europe are only superficially practicing cultural relativism as they are in fact still culturally Christian. As that erodes, those two places seem to be falling apart faster than the places that are more traditionally Christian. Some of the countries with the highest development index are countries that are secular or with a lot of people who think religion is not an important thing on their lives. Some of the lowest are heavily religious countries. Well, not all religions are equal. Christianity seems to be far superior than the rest as countries that were founded by it tend to do significantly better. Especially the ones that have been practicing the longest. For instance, look at the science and art in Western Europe compared to elsewhere in the world for the last 1500 years. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 17:24:28 GMT
Ancient beliefs are good and useful today so long as great things were built back then, is what you're saying? There does for sure seem to be a steep decline in the quality of art as modernism replaced traditional art. Many would see this as a severe decay of culture. Nothing to do with religion, and that's not the only art today. |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 17:25:53 GMT
There does for sure seem to be a steep decline in the quality of art as modernism replaced traditional art. Many would see this as a severe decay of culture. Nothing to do with religion, and that's not the only art today. Are you ignorant on who commissioned most of the great art works in Europe historically? |
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2024 17:28:08 GMT
Some of the countries with the highest development index are countries that are secular or with a lot of people who think religion is not an important thing on their lives. Some of the lowest are heavily religious countries. Well, not all religions are equal. Christianity seems to be far superior than the rest as countries that were founded by it tend to do significantly better. Especially the ones that have been practicing the longest. For instance, look at the science and art in Western Europe compared to elsewhere in the world for the last 1500 years. Countries with highest murder rate in the world are countries in South and Central America which are culturally Christian. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 17:28:26 GMT
Nothing to do with religion, and that's not the only art today. Are you ignorant on who commissioned most of the great art works in Europe historically? Believing in backward, ancient stupidity is what would make a good artist today, is what you're saying? |
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Post by phludowin on Nov 18, 2024 17:55:26 GMT
That's a circular argument and ridiculous analogy. Educated people can be good or bad just like religious people can be good or bad. But people go to school to learn reading, writing, math, science and practical skills they need to get through life or for requirements for a job. Religion isn't required to get through life or for requirements for a job. Debatable. I've seen atheists argue this, but then it always ends up being necessary. Great example: all the Communist governments who banned Christianity. More modern example: the New Atheist movement 20 years ago promising a much more enlightened world if we were less religious. What actually happened, however, is society fell apart, charitable giving plummeted , and science was ignored as the idiotic humanists declared that men could be women and that we should mutilate kids' genitals in the name of this belief. Society did not fall apart, and kid's genitals have been mutilated for centuries, by religious people. |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 17:58:40 GMT
Are you ignorant on who commissioned most of the great art works in Europe historically? Believing in backward, ancient stupidity is what would make a good artist today, is what you're saying? If it's so backwards, ancient, and stupid then why did Christians like Bach make such better music than atheists like Lil Nas? A big part of the problem with modern music is that so much of it is done by atheists and therefor has no soul or actual cultural impact. Nonreligious are indeed jealous about how much more significant Christians were to the fine arts in history so they try to downplay it, but its an immutable fact. |
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