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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 16:26:47 GMT
No. That is wrong. God has clear cut rules. You can't just say anything is God's will. It's been done throughout history. God's rules are sometimes contradictory which is normal given that we don't actually have God's rules. We have rules created by men who claim those were the words of God. That's why both anti slavery types and pro slavery types sometimes used the Bible as their reasoning. God's rules --- and different people's interpretation of those rules --- are two different things. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 16:28:42 GMT
No. That is wrong. God has clear cut rules. You can't just say anything is God's will. Well, there is a lot of that actually. Why do you think we have so many branches, from Sunni, Shia, Orthodox Judaism, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Southern Baptist, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc? Of course there is. But that doesn't make it right. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 16:30:47 GMT
That is incorrect. Just because anybody goes to school, does not mean they are going to be a good student, and get a good education. But it definitely increases their chances of becoming a good student, and getting a good education. But of course, some people who never go to school can still get a good education elsewhere. Same with religion. Most people who have religion are better for it. And the world is generally a better place because there is religion. That's a circular argument and ridiculous analogy. Educated people can be good or bad just like religious people can be good or bad. But people go to school to learn reading, writing, math, science and practical skills they need to get through life or for requirements for a job. Religion isn't required to get through life or for requirements for a job. No difference. School isn't required to learn reading, writing, math, science, and practical skills. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 16:33:47 GMT
That's a circular argument and ridiculous analogy. Educated people can be good or bad just like religious people can be good or bad. But people go to school to learn reading, writing, math, science and practical skills they need to get through life or for requirements for a job. Religion isn't required to get through life or for requirements for a job. No difference. School isn't required to learn reading, writing, math, science, and practical skills. Yes, big difference and terrible analogy. Those skills are required to get through life and for many people to get the jobs they want. Whether they're learned in a school or wherever is irrelevant. Religion though isn't required for anything. |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 16:38:24 GMT
That is incorrect. Just because anybody goes to school, does not mean they are going to be a good student, and get a good education. But it definitely increases their chances of becoming a good student, and getting a good education. But of course, some people who never go to school can still get a good education elsewhere. Same with religion. Most people who have religion are better for it. And the world is generally a better place because there is religion. That's a circular argument and ridiculous analogy. Educated people can be good or bad just like religious people can be good or bad. But people go to school to learn reading, writing, math, science and practical skills they need to get through life or for requirements for a job. Religion isn't required to get through life or for requirements for a job. Debatable. I've seen atheists argue this, but then it always ends up being necessary. Great example: all the Communist governments who banned Christianity. More modern example: the New Atheist movement 20 years ago promising a much more enlightened world if we were less religious. What actually happened, however, is society fell apart, charitable giving plummeted , and science was ignored as the idiotic humanists declared that men could be women and that we should mutilate kids' genitals in the name of this belief. |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 16:41:08 GMT
No difference. School isn't required to learn reading, writing, math, science, and practical skills. Yes, big difference and terrible analogy. Those skills are required to get through life and for many people to get the jobs they want. Whether they're learned in a school or wherever is irrelevant. Religion though isn't required for anything. Alright. Then show me the great agnostic-founded empire in history. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 16:42:46 GMT
No difference. School isn't required to learn reading, writing, math, science, and practical skills. Yes, big difference and terrible analogy. Those skills are required to get through life and for many people to get the jobs they want. Whether they're learned in a school or wherever is irrelevant. Religion though isn't required for anything. I disagree. Religion is required for a better life. (At least a proper interpretation and usage of religion.) |
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2024 16:43:17 GMT
It's been done throughout history. God's rules are sometimes contradictory which is normal given that we don't actually have God's rules. We have rules created by men who claim those were the words of God. That's why both anti slavery types and pro slavery types sometimes used the Bible as their reasoning. God's rules --- and different people's interpretation of those rules --- are two different things. We only have people's interpretations of those rules. |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 16:46:35 GMT
God's rules --- and different people's interpretation of those rules --- are two different things. We only have people's interpretations of those rules. Fair enough, but it's the only guard we have against the horror of cultural relativism which is enabled by "humanism". Case in point, the Communist governments reign while banning religion. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 16:48:20 GMT
God's rules --- and different people's interpretation of those rules --- are two different things. We only have people's interpretations of those rules. I agree. And some people interpret well. And some don't. Pretty much like everything else in life. |
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2024 16:54:47 GMT
We only have people's interpretations of those rules. Fair enough, but it's the only guard we have against the horror of cultural relativism which is enabled by "humanism". Case in point, the Communist governments reign while banning religion. I rather live in a world dominated by current cultural relativism over a world dominated by religion. Things are better now than they were centuries ago. For example, I rather live in cultural relativistic California, Europe over any "religious" dominated country like Saudi Arabia or Iran. Fair enough about Communism, but I'm not arguing that Communism is a good source of morals or ethics. |
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2024 16:55:39 GMT
We only have people's interpretations of those rules. I agree. And some people interpret well. And some don't. Pretty much like everything else in life. Exactly. That's why the contradictory in people's interpretations, religion can be justified for pretty immoral stuff. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 16:59:59 GMT
I agree. And some people interpret well. And some don't. Pretty much like everything else in life. Exactly. That's why the contradictory in people's interpretations, religion can be justified for pretty immoral stuff. No doubt. But that ain't religion's fault. That is the fault of those who misinterpret. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 17:00:30 GMT
That's a circular argument and ridiculous analogy. Educated people can be good or bad just like religious people can be good or bad. But people go to school to learn reading, writing, math, science and practical skills they need to get through life or for requirements for a job. Religion isn't required to get through life or for requirements for a job. Debatable. I've seen atheists argue this, but then it always ends up being necessary. Great example: all the Communist governments who banned Christianity. More modern example: the New Atheist movement 20 years ago promising a much more enlightened world if we were less religious. What actually happened, however, is society fell apart, charitable giving plummeted , and science was ignored as the idiotic humanists declared that men could be women and that we should mutilate kids' genitals in the name of this belief. Oh God man, whenever your name appears in my notification I always I vomit a little in my mouth because I know it'll be nothing but nauseating stupidity as usual. Sure enough, here comes a fresh batch from you. I'm not atheist first of all. Not believing in bullshit religion invented by flawed humans doesn't mean being atheist. Communist governments banned Christianity because they were brainwashing the public with communist ideology as their own "religion" and didn't want anything else distracting from that. That's not an example of Christianity being anything required to get through life. Suggesting that societies problems or that transgenders have come from lack of religion is stupid. Kids are being "mutilated." |
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 17:09:42 GMT
Debatable. I've seen atheists argue this, but then it always ends up being necessary. Great example: all the Communist governments who banned Christianity. More modern example: the New Atheist movement 20 years ago promising a much more enlightened world if we were less religious. What actually happened, however, is society fell apart, charitable giving plummeted , and science was ignored as the idiotic humanists declared that men could be women and that we should mutilate kids' genitals in the name of this belief. Oh God man, whenever your name appears in my notification I always I vomit a little in my mouth because I know it'll be nothing but nauseating stupidity as usual. Sure enough, here comes a fresh batch from you. I politely respond to you with a point that even another poster said had merit, and you immediately lash out because you don't like what was said. 4 years ago, your temperament was different and you would have put the emphasis on having a discussion instead of launching unprovoked, irrelevant insults to distract from the issue. Makes me sad. I didn't say you were an atheist. Fail on your part. Communism does not label itself a religion. It calls itself an extension of humanism. And it is. Who is the most vocal group against said surgeries in the West? |
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