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Post by movieliker on Nov 19, 2024 4:44:11 GMT
I already said you can develop morals and ethics in other ways besides religion. But fear is a great motivator. And Christians fearing retribution from God gets them to do the right thing more often than "Well, it's just the right thing to do". That was one of the first conversations I had with a Bible-thumpin' buddy of mine. He doesn't think so, but I disagree with him on that. The Golden Rule is a rational standard everyone can see the merits of, imo.
Raising kids with religion yields quicker results. Than just waiting for them to grow up and figure out the benefits of morals and ethics. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 19, 2024 4:46:55 GMT
That was one of the first conversations I had with a Bible-thumpin' buddy of mine. He doesn't think so, but I disagree with him on that. The Golden Rule is a rational standard everyone can see the merits of, imo.
Raising kids with religion yields quicker results. Than just waiting for them to grow up and figure out the benefits of morals and ethics.
No doubt.
Certain concepts do not even register with children under 12.
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Post by Dracula on Nov 19, 2024 5:50:35 GMT
You interpreted what I just said completely backwards. The whole point of what I just explained to you about morals and ethics being something you develop through life experiences and understanding people is to emphasize that it's NOT something that comes from just reading something that tells you "well, it's the right thing to do." Having morals and ethics is about WANTING to do the right thing because of that right thing being what makes SENSE and what feels right and good to the person doing it. Doing something out of fear of retribution has nothing to do with having morals and ethics. That is ridiculous. Little kids grow up in the church. Little kids are not going to just do the right thing. Fear is the best way to get them to do the right thing even when it involves sacrifice. Later on as they grow up, they can question the existence of God, and why sacrifice, discipline and doing right by others is beneficial in the long run. No, that's just reality. What does little kids being taken to church have to do with anything? Kids don't develop morals and ethics by merely being taken to church. They develop morals and ethics from parents guiding them through life and helping them correctly understand each of the things they experience in life. Religion or not, bad parenting produces bad kids, and it's not through "fear" that kids learn to be good people. It's through love and trust and guidance. A good person will help someone out of just finding it satisfying and fulfilling the idea of someone else being helped out of a bad situation, out of just feeling that other person doesn't deserve that problem. Doing the right thing because you're afraid of punishment is just acting out of self-interest, nothing to do with an action taken out of really understanding and feeling it's the right action. |
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Post by papamihel on Nov 19, 2024 5:59:43 GMT
There's nothing conspirational about it bro. Religions and their tenets were all crafted by individuals looking to give themselves and their organizations authority and power over the masses. Why do you think church and crown were the only two entities that mattered until the modern era? You are mixing together religion as a cultural phenomena and religious institutions. |
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Nov 19, 2024 6:49:38 GMT
Well, not all religions are equal. Christianity seems to be far superior than the rest as countries that were founded by it tend to do significantly better. Especially the ones that have been practicing the longest. For instance, look at the science and art in Western Europe compared to elsewhere in the world for the last 1500 years. Countries with highest murder rate in the world are countries in South and Central America which are culturally Christian. They are also very sexo! |
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Nov 19, 2024 6:54:42 GMT
Yeah man great argument, because every musician who isn't religious is no better than Lil Nas, is what you're saying? Were The Beatles terrible? And not that this even matters, but what you're getting wrong is that even Lil Nas is not atheist. He even has a single called "J Christ" and has often talked about his "spirituality." The guy just said that "at one point" he was atheist, not that he's atheist now. I never thought I'd meet someone dumb enough to defend the "art" of Lil Nas, but now I've identified who his target audience is. People with brain damage and an irrational hatred of Christianity. Lil Nas has literally made a career out of the least subtle mocking of Christianity, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't believe he's a Christian.
And yeah, the Beatles were pretty terrible compared to classical composers. They started out good enough, having been raised and influenced by Christians, but then they drifted away further from it, ultimately atheism killed the band and John Lennon wrote the 2nd most cringe song of the 20th Century (the first being Mrs American Pie). I mean, if you like The Beatles, fine, but it's pretty stupid to compare their musical artistry to people like Bach.
Just like U2? |
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Nov 19, 2024 7:00:37 GMT
That was one of the first conversations I had with a Bible-thumpin' buddy of mine. He doesn't think so, but I disagree with him on that. The Golden Rule is a rational standard everyone can see the merits of, imo.
Than just waiting for them to grow up and figure out the benefits of morals and ethics. Many kids raised with religion end up on drugs and alcohol and in the gutter and dead. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 19, 2024 7:17:50 GMT
Raising kids with religion yields quicker results. Than just waiting for them to grow up and figure out the benefits of morals and ethics. Many kids raised with religion end up on drugs and alcohol and in the gutter and dead.
Same for McDonalds french fries. ![[raspberry]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/URfbnorGJoHZMsqWxsFb.gif) |
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Nov 19, 2024 7:22:29 GMT
Many kids raised with religion end up on drugs and alcohol and in the gutter and dead.
Same for McDonalds french fries. Yeah, but McDonald's French fries isn't religion! And McDonald's French fries may end lives, but it doesn't ruin lives! |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 19, 2024 7:28:38 GMT
Same for McDonalds french fries. Yeah, but McDonald's French fries isn't religion! And McDonald's French fries may end lives, but it doesn't ruin lives!
Golden Arches - Golden Calf........Billions of hamburgers. Think, McFly!
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Post by phludowin on Nov 19, 2024 7:48:31 GMT
There is much about the Universe that man cannot explain. That doesn't mean there is no explanation. That is correct, but religion has never provided a scientifically correct explanation. If an explanation exists, it will be discovered by science. |
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Nov 19, 2024 7:57:50 GMT
If by "humans" you mean the people who voted in the last election, I am not seeing your point.
I suppose there is no connection to the stories Trump wins and Spirit airlines goes bankrupt.
I had in mind the ones you were apparently thinking of when you mentioned civilizing the world.
Might you clarify whether you think religion is the problem because Donald Trump is the problem?
I for one have never considered Donald Trump the least bit religious. Apparently different people have very different notions of what it means to be religious.
I am not seeing any "science" at all leading anything or solving any problems the country has yet.
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Post by mikemonger on Nov 19, 2024 13:31:18 GMT
There's nothing conspirational about it bro. Religions and their tenets were all crafted by individuals looking to give themselves and their organizations authority and power over the masses. Why do you think church and crown were the only two entities that mattered until the modern era? You are mixing together religion as a cultural phenomena and religious institutions. No, I'm not, since religions (at least the mainstream ones) were and are defined by religious institutions. I mean, is everyone making up their own religion out of thin air, or are they all using what a religious institution came up with as a base at least? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Nov 19, 2024 13:35:08 GMT
You are mixing together religion as a cultural phenomena and religious institutions. No, I'm not, since religions (at least the mainstream ones) were and are defined by religious institutions. I mean, is everyone making up their own religion out of thin air, or are they all using what a religious institution came up with as a base at least?
Even those institutions seem to be getting flexible more and more. Part of the reason there are so many variations as it is.
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Post by movieliker on Nov 19, 2024 13:35:53 GMT
That is ridiculous. Little kids grow up in the church. Little kids are not going to just do the right thing. Fear is the best way to get them to do the right thing even when it involves sacrifice. Later on as they grow up, they can question the existence of God, and why sacrifice, discipline and doing right by others is beneficial in the long run. No, that's just reality. What does little kids being taken to church have to do with anything? Kids don't develop morals and ethics by merely being taken to church. They develop morals and ethics from parents guiding them through life and helping them correctly understand each of the things they experience in life. Religion or not, bad parenting produces bad kids, and it's not through "fear" that kids learn to be good people. It's through love and trust and guidance. A good person will help someone out of just finding it satisfying and fulfilling the idea of someone else being helped out of a bad situation, out of just feeling that other person doesn't deserve that problem. Doing the right thing because you're afraid of punishment is just acting out of self-interest, nothing to do with an action taken out of really understanding and feeling it's the right action. No that is wrong. Little kids learn and develop morality by going to church, instruction and example. Nobody knows if God exist. And nobody can prove whether or not He exist. So it's best to teach your children the truth. There may be a God and an afterlife. So if you want to go to Heaven, you better do the right thing. |
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