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Post by pathfinder on Nov 24, 2024 20:46:32 GMT
Islam is an evil death cult that should be eradicated from the face of the Earth.
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Post by movieliker on Nov 24, 2024 20:49:20 GMT
Islam is an evil death cult that should be eradicated from the face of the Earth. That is not true. There are peaceful Muslims. It depends on how the Koran and Islam are interpreted. |
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Post by scream on Nov 24, 2024 20:59:33 GMT
There is no scientific proof that God doesn't exist. So why be an Atheist? Why not an Agnostic? There's no scientific proof that Santa doesn't exist. Or that Zeus doesn't exist. Or that Pazuzu doesn't exist. I could go on forever.
The point is not to produce "proof" that something doesn't exist. (Proof only exists in logic and mathematics, by the way.) The point is to provide good reasons for thinking any of these things DOES exist. And no one can.
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^ Honestly, this should be the end of this conversation. I think it has been discussed enough, quite frankly. Nothing new has been presented that shows any evidence of a supreme being. And I'm tired of people going to war over who's invisible friend is the correct invisible friend. Live in the real world, deal with humanity's needs in a secular way and don't waste time over this argument. |
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Nov 24, 2024 21:02:25 GMT
There's no scientific proof that Santa doesn't exist. Or that Zeus doesn't exist. Or that Pazuzu doesn't exist. I could go on forever.
The point is not to produce "proof" that something doesn't exist. (Proof only exists in logic and mathematics, by the way.) The point is to provide good reasons for thinking any of these things DOES exist. And no one can.
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^ Honestly, this should be the end of this conversation. I think it has been discussed enough, quite frankly. Nothing new has been presented that shows any evidence of a supreme being. And I'm tired of people going to war over who's invisible friend is the correct invisible friend. Live in the real world, deal with humanity's needs in a secular way and don't waste time over this argument. ^^^^^^ 🤣 |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Nov 24, 2024 21:08:55 GMT
No, you're stupid. I know god does not exist because there is no proof that god exists. You dumbass. No. You are wrong. Knowledge requires proof. And you don't have any. You have no proof either. There is no god. So what the fuck are you even arguing about? Idiot troll. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 24, 2024 21:19:26 GMT
No. You are wrong. Knowledge requires proof. And you don't have any. You have no proof either. There is no god. So what the fuck are you even arguing about? Idiot troll. I never said I had any proof. I never said I know God exists. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 24, 2024 21:29:49 GMT
There's no scientific proof that Santa doesn't exist. Or that Zeus doesn't exist. Or that Pazuzu doesn't exist. I could go on forever.
The point is not to produce "proof" that something doesn't exist. (Proof only exists in logic and mathematics, by the way.) The point is to provide good reasons for thinking any of these things DOES exist. And no one can.
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^ Honestly, this should be the end of this conversation. I think it has been discussed enough, quite frankly. Nothing new has been presented that shows any evidence of a supreme being. And I'm tired of people going to war over who's invisible friend is the correct invisible friend. Live in the real world, deal with humanity's needs in a secular way and don't waste time over this argument. If the militant Christians’ God is not the real one and all the others are false, that means God is not 100% on their side and they could doing something wrong. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 24, 2024 21:38:50 GMT
No. You are wrong. Knowledge requires proof. And you don't have any. You have no proof either. There is no god. So what the fuck are you even arguing about? Idiot troll. Knowledge of reality has to come from something tangible in this physical four dimensions. If gods, angels, spirits, and all paranormal/supernatural “exist,” they do so in a surreality. |
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 24, 2024 23:28:05 GMT
There is proof Santa doesn't exist. Humans have said they made him up for children. If this statement is allowed to be true, then since we can trace the evolution of all religious and supernatural beliefs in human societies with all evidence showing these beliefs began in human beings, just like Santa, then we can say there is proof none of the gods exist, since we can observe humans making up the concept and recording it for history. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 25, 2024 0:15:24 GMT
There is proof Santa doesn't exist. Humans have said they made him up for children. If this statement is allowed to be true, then since we can trace the evolution of all religious and supernatural beliefs in human societies with all evidence showing these beliefs began in human beings, just like Santa, then we can say there is proof none of the gods exist, since we can observe humans making up the concept and recording it for history. Humans beings did not "make up" religion. Religion evolved over time as an explanation for already existent spiritual feelings. Possessed by many. Just like me. I tried believing, Atheism and Agnosticism. I feel like believing explains my true experience. Nobody is forcing me to believe. It's a personal decision. And I'm not alone. Many people stupid and smart personally choose having religion. Even though they like and understand science. Like me. I believe there is a scientific explanation for everything. And God created everything. Including science. Which means nothing is magic. Everything has a scientific explanation. In other words, science is the little picture. Religion is the big picture. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 25, 2024 0:25:17 GMT
If this statement is allowed to be true, then since we can trace the evolution of all religious and supernatural beliefs in human societies with all evidence showing these beliefs began in human beings, just like Santa, then we can say there is proof none of the gods exist, since we can observe humans making up the concept and recording it for history. Humans beings did not "make up" religion. Religion evolved over time as an explanation for already existent spiritual feelings. Possessed by many. Just like me. I tried believing, Atheism and Agnosticism. I feel like believing explains my true experience. Nobody is forcing me to believe. It's a personal decision. And I'm not alone. Many people stupid and smart personally choose having religion. Even though they like and understand science. Like me. I believe there is a scientific explanation for everything. And God created everything. Including science. Which means nothing is magic. Everything has a scientific explanation. In other words, science is the little picture. Religion is the big picture.
This “religious evolution,” or a psychological/cultural development dealing with the mind and nature, once it is codified, that is locked down within a society’s particular cultural parameters, moves from an entirely magical way thinking and becomes a “rational” “religion” that takes on more than just management of a frightening, hostile environment and all those weird thoughts that happen in our heads. Religion is very much made up by humans. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 25, 2024 0:42:22 GMT
Humans beings did not "make up" religion. Religion evolved over time as an explanation for already existent spiritual feelings. Possessed by many. Just like me. I tried believing, Atheism and Agnosticism. I feel like believing explains my true experience. Nobody is forcing me to believe. It's a personal decision. And I'm not alone. Many people stupid and smart personally choose having religion. Even though they like and understand science. Like me. I believe there is a scientific explanation for everything. And God created everything. Including science. Which means nothing is magic. Everything has a scientific explanation. In other words, science is the little picture. Religion is the big picture.
This “religious evolution,” or a psychological/cultural development dealing with the mind and nature, once it is codified, that is locked down within a society’s particular cultural parameters, moves from an entirely magical way thinking and becomes a “rational” “religion” that takes on more than just management of a frightening, hostile environment and all those weird thoughts that happen in our heads. Religion is very much made up by humans. The post you are replying to pilar is my response to faustus saying religion is like Santa Claus. Humans "made up" Santa Claus to entertain children. Humans did not make up religion to entertain anybody. Humans created religion as a result of trying to explain their spiritual experience. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Nov 25, 2024 1:34:51 GMT
Humans beings did not "make up" religion. Religion evolved over time as an explanation for already existent spiritual feelings. Possessed by many.
This “religious evolution,” or a psychological/cultural development dealing with the mind and nature, once it is codified, that is locked down within a society’s particular cultural parameters, moves from an entirely magical way thinking and becomes a “rational” “religion” that takes on more than just management of a frightening, hostile environment and all those weird thoughts that happen in our heads. Religion is very much made up by humans. The post you are replying to pilar is my response to faustus saying religion is like Santa Claus. Humans "made up" Santa Claus to entertain children. Humans did not make up religion to entertain anybody. Humans created religion as a result of trying to explain their spiritual experience. While Santa is made up, he wasn’t made up necessarily to entertain children. He is actually far more complex and currently used as an important major marketing tool that increases the US GDP and wealth. Our economy can be adversely affected if there isn’t a healthy Christmas buying season. That’s how important Santa is. Jesus is too in this same context. However, a modern mythical Santa can cross religious boundaries. Santa Claus starts out modeled after a legendary bishop Saint Nicholas who helped poor children during the time the Church celebrated the birth of Jesus in its calendar. But this story was most popular in parts of Northern Europe where modern capitalism began. Later on, St Nick becomes Father Christmas or Santa Claus with a lot of Odin lore that had long existed in these regions tossed in. Humans created religion as a result of trying to explain their spiritual experience.I agree, just like they created Santa. But religion is used to keep the spiritual beliefs that underpin the religion to stop spiritual development in order to homogenize the beliefs and mores as a means stabilizing a society. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 25, 2024 2:06:50 GMT
The post you are replying to pilar is my response to faustus saying religion is like Santa Claus. Humans "made up" Santa Claus to entertain children. Humans did not make up religion to entertain anybody. Humans created religion as a result of trying to explain their spiritual experience. While Santa is made up, he wasn’t made up necessarily to entertain children. He is actually far more complex and currently used as an important major marketing tool that increases the US GDP and wealth. Our economy can be adversely affected if there isn’t a healthy Christmas buying season. That’s how important Santa is. Jesus is too in this same context. However, a modern mythical Santa can cross religious boundaries. Santa Claus starts out modeled after a legendary bishop Saint Nicholas who helped poor children during the time the Church celebrated the birth of Jesus in its calendar. But this story was most popular in parts of Northern Europe where modern capitalism began. Later on, St Nick becomes Father Christmas or Santa Claus with a lot of Odin lore that had long existed in these regions tossed in. Humans created religion as a result of trying to explain their spiritual experience.I agree, just like they created Santa. But religion is used to keep the spiritual beliefs that underpin the religion to stop spiritual development in order to homogenize the beliefs and mores as a means stabilizing a society. Once again, you are talking about religious organizations. Not religion. Santa Claus was not originally created for capitalistic reasons. But I agree he has been usurped by capitalism as a marketing tool. Religion was not organizational at first. Religious organizations and religion are different. I believe in religion. I don't belong to a religious organization. |
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Post by scream on Nov 25, 2024 2:33:38 GMT
While Santa is made up, he wasn’t made up necessarily to entertain children. He is actually far more complex and currently used as an important major marketing tool that increases the US GDP and wealth. Our economy can be adversely affected if there isn’t a healthy Christmas buying season. That’s how important Santa is. Jesus is too in this same context. However, a modern mythical Santa can cross religious boundaries. Santa Claus starts out modeled after a legendary bishop Saint Nicholas who helped poor children during the time the Church celebrated the birth of Jesus in its calendar. But this story was most popular in parts of Northern Europe where modern capitalism began. Later on, St Nick becomes Father Christmas or Santa Claus with a lot of Odin lore that had long existed in these regions tossed in. Humans created religion as a result of trying to explain their spiritual experience.I agree, just like they created Santa. But religion is used to keep the spiritual beliefs that underpin the religion to stop spiritual development in order to homogenize the beliefs and mores as a means stabilizing a society. Once again, you are talking about religious organizations. Not religion. Santa Claus was not originally created for capitalistic reasons. But I agree he has been usurped by capitalism as a marketing tool. Religion was not organizational at first. Religious organizations and religion are different. I believe in religion. I don't belong to a religious organization. Again, let's stop talking religion. What you say here affects no one. No one is changing their mind because of what you say. Let it go. Live and let live. |
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