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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 17, 2018 22:39:13 GMT
in WW2: City | American | British | Berlin | 22,090 | 45,517 | Hamburg | 17,104 | 22,583 | Munich | 11,471 | 7,858 | Cologne | 10,211 | 34,712 | Leipzig | 5,410 | 6,206 | Essen | 1,518 | 36,420 | Dresden | 4,441 | 2,659 | TOTAL | 72,245 | 155,955 |
I think we can see what happened here.
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 17, 2018 23:56:09 GMT
We probably manufactured the bombs and then lent you the money to buy them, then you had to pay us back with interest. Then you lost your empire. And for what? Neither you nor the frogs ever liberated Poland as was stated as the reason for declaration of war on Germany. The world would've been off letting Hitler and Stalin duel to the death.
I blame Churchill.
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 17, 2018 23:56:12 GMT
in WW2: City | American | British | Berlin | 22,090 | 45,517 | Hamburg | 17,104 | 22,583 | Munich | 11,471 | 7,858 | Cologne | 10,211 | 34,712 | Leipzig | 5,410 | 6,206 | Essen | 1,518 | 36,420 | Dresden | 4,441 | 2,659 | TOTAL | 72,245 | 155,955 |
I think we can see what happened here. Yeah, that's what happens when you only play the second half - stats suffer.
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Feb 18, 2018 0:04:30 GMT
PS - If y'all act real nice and hold another vote, Frau Merkel and Herr Juncker might - might -let you back in.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 18, 2018 1:22:13 GMT
We probably manufactured the bombs and then lent you the money to buy them Ha ha, I knew somebody would come up with this shit. Listen son, money and materials don't count for shit when people are putting their lives on the line. Why are you americans so desperate to try and claim you were responsible for the defeat of Germany? Why? It's really disrespectful. Russians were the most influential. Then Brits. Then Americans.
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 18, 2018 1:25:13 GMT
We probably manufactured the bombs and then lent you the money to buy them Ha ha, I knew somebody would come up with this shit. Listen son, money and materials don't count for shit when people are putting their lives on the line. Why are you americans so desperate to try and claim you were responsible for the defeat of Germany? Why? It's really disrespectful. Russians were the most influential. Then Brits. Then Americans. You took my comment out of context.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 1:44:54 GMT
We probably manufactured the bombs and then lent you the money to buy them Ha ha, I knew somebody would come up with this shit. Listen son, money and materials don't count for shit when people are putting their lives on the line. Why are you americans so desperate to try and claim you were responsible for the defeat of Germany? Why? It's really disrespectful. Russians were the most influential. Then Brits. Then Americans. I dont feel that way at all and I am American. it was a group effort Brits had access to US factories - via Tizard Mission deal .The island of UK was very important to the defeat of Germany( it was like a massive aircraft carrier that the Allies could launch bombing missions and fighters to Europe- providing TOTAL air superiority) blogs.weta.org/boundarystones/2015/09/24/tizard-mission-briefcase-changed-world-war-iiBattle wise .Russian in manpower and sacrifice of thier armies and civilians were most influential that way( e.g. Stalingrad,Kursk) Brits as far as breaking enigma helped guarantee victory and all their tech to the US( Cavity Magnetron ,self sealing tanks) But Nobody for a minute should downplay the US's role. The Americans provided vital supplies to both Russia and Britian( especially the UK due to liberty ships across the Atlantic) Churchill said the only thing that truly frightened him was the U boats( sinking liberty ships full of fuel , food and supplies.) the UK came close to very close to being unable to continue the war from those U boats having a field day sinking ships. Americans were heavily fighting a TWO front war and developed nuclear weapons( british theories did help in that regard) US's limitless resources were probably more important than anything else. Nazis had little resources, and ditto for Japanese( which is why they invaded all those islands- for the oil) Still it was a group effort. Stalingrad pretty much sealed Germany's fate as did the Turing( with a little help of Poles from the 1930s) breaking WW2 Enigma 3 and 4 dial codes, but the US was a juggernaut- "A Sleeping Giant" as Adm Yamamoto was quoted in saying. Not to mention Patton was a phenomenal field commander( His Third Army has advanced further and faster than any army in history).- easily among the best of that war with Erich von Mansteins genius strategy of the Battle of France
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Post by ayatollah on Feb 18, 2018 2:01:15 GMT
Ha ha, I knew somebody would come up with this shit. Listen son, money and materials don't count for shit when people are putting their lives on the line. Why are you americans so desperate to try and claim you were responsible for the defeat of Germany? Why? It's really disrespectful. Russians were the most influential. Then Brits. Then Americans. I dont feel that way at all and I am American. He is just having fun, taking the piss I think they call it.
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Post by Colin Sibthorpe on Feb 18, 2018 6:47:49 GMT
It was very much a joint enterprise.
Without American and British help the Russians would have had to capitulate, withdrawing behind the Urals and ceding European Russia.
Without American help the British could not have continued an aggressive war and would have had to withdraw to the British Isles, becoming sidelined and irrelevant.
Without Britain, Germany could not have been invaded and destroyed.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 18, 2018 10:04:33 GMT
Ha ha, I knew somebody would come up with this shit. Listen son, money and materials don't count for shit when people are putting their lives on the line. Why are you americans so desperate to try and claim you were responsible for the defeat of Germany? Why? It's really disrespectful. Russians were the most influential. Then Brits. Then Americans. You took my comment out of context. It was late.... B-|
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Post by zos on Feb 18, 2018 13:23:29 GMT
We probably manufactured the bombs and then lent you the money to buy them Ha ha, I knew somebody would come up with this shit. Listen son, money and materials don't count for shit when people are putting their lives on the line. Why are you americans so desperate to try and claim you were responsible for the defeat of Germany? Why? It's really disrespectful. Russians were the most influential. Then Brits. Then Americans. Russians were the most influential. Then Brits. Then Americans. ...Don't think anyone would really argue with that...Although you could be mean and say that Russia got what they deserved for being two faced bastards. Also, being an Island was a great help for us.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 18, 2018 13:47:49 GMT
Although you could be mean and say that Russia got what they deserved for being two faced bastards. That's like blaming a snake for being a snake. To expect them to be anything other than two-faced bastards is foolish. It is what they are. One should approach all dealings with Russians in such a way and then one will never be disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 14:59:33 GMT
lets not forget the French fighting a delaying action to help the Brits to escape from Dunkirk despite being massively overrun by the Germans during the Battle of France.( saving 400,000 brit and french soldiers from being captured)
Thank Viscount Gort for defying orders He probably helped secure an Allied win.
WW2 was like a big jigsaw puzzle. all the pieces had be set up just right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 14:59:40 GMT
in WW2: City | American | British | Berlin | 22,090 | 45,517 | Hamburg | 17,104 | 22,583 | Munich | 11,471 | 7,858 | Cologne | 10,211 | 34,712 | Leipzig | 5,410 | 6,206 | Essen | 1,518 | 36,420 | Dresden | 4,441 | 2,659 | TOTAL | 72,245 | 155,955 |
I think we can see what happened here. But what would the tonnage be if you only used data AFTER December 11, 1941?
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 18, 2018 15:36:24 GMT
But what would the tonnage be if you only used data AFTER December 11, 1941? Not much different. Tons: Year
| UK | US | 1939 | 31 | - | 1940 | 13,033 | - | 1941 | 31,504 | - | 1942 | 45,561 | 1,561 | 1943 | 157,457 | 44,165 | 1944
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| 1945 | 191,540 | 188,573 | Total | 964,644 | 623,418 | Total 1942 - 45 | 920,076 | 623,418 |
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_III think we can see what happened after December 1941. The US was beaten in every year by l'il old us.
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