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Post by abbey1227 on May 3, 2023 1:56:52 GMT
There always is more evidence before a rape goes to criminal court I’m pretty sure - I don’t think they can just bring charges against someone without any other evidence than just someone saying “I was raped”. The standard isn’t as high in civil court I don’t believe, but I’m not a lawyer. Trump isn’t being charged by the state.
Yeah, her case is just being aided by the state since they couldn't invent any actual crimes.
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Post by Meseia on May 3, 2023 1:58:41 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? Laws were made before we had the ability to process all the evidence we can today. And sometimes women don't report the rape right away but the guilty are still guilty and should be punished. OTOH, women use rape accusations as leverage to get what they want. I had an employee who admitted to me she falsely accused her husband of rape during the divorce to take everything. She laughed about it but I don't think it's funny. I think the only solution is judges need to use their best judgement, look at the criminal history, consider if the woman stands to gain financially or otherwise, and err on the side of caution.
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Post by merh on May 3, 2023 5:37:58 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? How do you prove it when it is almost always he said/she said in the case of spousal/date rape? My husband was drunk. I said no. He got his anyway. When I pointed it out the next morning he had raped me, he said no court would touch him because it was his marital right as my husband to have sex with his wife when he wanted to. Any since it was around 1980 yeah. A lot of states didnt prosecute rapes in marriages. But go on & feel sorry about people like Donald Trump who is on record Bragging he did stuff like what he did.
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Post by abbey1227 on May 3, 2023 9:30:33 GMT
How do you prove it when it is almost always he said/she said in the case of spousal/date rape? My husband was drunk. I said no. He got his anyway. When I pointed it out the next morning he had raped me, he said no court would touch him because it was his marital right as my husband to have sex with his wife when he wanted to.
And right there is where you should have introduced him to a divorce court.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 13:59:02 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? How do you prove it when it is almost always he said/she said in the case of spousal/date rape? My husband was drunk. I said no. He got his anyway. When I pointed it out the next morning he had raped me, he said no court would touch him because it was his marital right as my husband to have sex with his wife when he wanted to. Any since it was around 1980 yeah. A lot of states didnt prosecute rapes in marriages. But go on & feel sorry about people like Donald Trump who is on record Bragging he did stuff like what he did. My thoughts on this had nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with fairness. Yes, date rape is unfair and wrong. And so is making accusations without proof and the alleged getting punished without it.
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Post by darkramj on May 3, 2023 14:20:49 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? How do you prove it when it is almost always he said/she said in the case of spousal/date rape? My husband was drunk. I said no. He got his anyway. When I pointed it out the next morning he had raped me, he said no court would touch him because it was his marital right as my husband to have sex with his wife when he wanted to. Any since it was around 1980 yeah. A lot of states didnt prosecute rapes in marriages. But go on & feel sorry about people like Donald Trump who is on record Bragging he did stuff like what he did. No disputing that what you describe to have happened to you absolutely sucks. Unfortunately, society simply cannot uphold any valid form of justice for the people when it punishes them for crimes it cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt they committed.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2023 16:04:59 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? There has to be. Cases are not taken to criminal courts based on accusations alone.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 16:30:04 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? There has to be. Cases are not taken to criminal courts based on accusations alone. You sure about that? As far as I know they put Cosby and Harvey behind bars over what were just words. Not excusing them for what they did. Just saying there should be physical evidence proving what they did as being wrong. If there was no physical evidence, for all we know the sex they had was all consensual and these are just women with a grudge. If one is not an eye witness it is impossible to know 100% for sure what really happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 16:32:22 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? It's the point of rape. Unless you report it right after it happens, there is no proof. I disagree.
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Post by darkramj on May 3, 2023 16:38:41 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? It's the point of rape. Unless you report it right after it happens, there is no proof. I disagree. The seriousness of the crime contributes to the perception that no victim of it would delay reporting it. It's not an incorrect perception...but more simple than what is often the reality.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2023 16:46:03 GMT
There has to be. Cases are not taken to criminal courts based on accusations alone. You sure about that? As far as I know they put Cosby and Harvey behind bars over what were just words. Not excusing them for what they did. Just saying there should be physical evidence proving what they did as being wrong. If there was no physical evidence, for all we know the sex they had was all consensual and these are just women with a grudge. If one is not an eye witness it is impossible to know 100% for sure what really happened. The problem is that evidence of sex is not evidence of rape. Cosby admitted using drugs on women and that this use was illegal.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 16:51:34 GMT
It's the point of rape. Unless you report it right after it happens, there is no proof. I disagree. The seriousness of the crime contributes to the perception that no victim of it would delay reporting it. It's not an incorrect perception...but more simple than what is often the reality. Like an eleven year old girl reporting on her father?
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Post by darkramj on May 3, 2023 17:01:04 GMT
The seriousness of the crime contributes to the perception that no victim of it would delay reporting it. It's not an incorrect perception...but more simple than what is often the reality. Like an eleven year old girl reporting on her father? Like I said, more simple than what is often the reality. Those circumstances would make a delay perfectly understandable...although tragic. But it remains true that a crime of such seriousness...all other things being equal...makes urgency an otherwise veritable factor. To say that circumstances may result in a lack of urgency is not the same as saying there isn't ever any reasonable expectation for urgency. Again, we cannot uphold justice by punishing people without proof beyond a reasonable doubt that they violated the law.
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Post by kuatorises on May 3, 2023 17:03:54 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? How many people are convicted of rape without evidence? Can you even be charged without evidence? I believe in extremely harsh punishments for rape - it's the worst thing you can do to a person - but I'm also not a fan of ruining someone's life without evidence.
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Post by kuatorises on May 3, 2023 17:07:55 GMT
There has to be. Cases are not taken to criminal courts based on accusations alone. You sure about that? As far as I know they put Cosby and Harvey behind bars over what were just words. Not excusing them for what they did. Just saying there should be physical evidence proving what they did as being wrong. If there was no physical evidence, for all we know the sex they had was all consensual and these are just women with a grudge. If one is not an eye witness it is impossible to know 100% for sure what really happened.
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