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Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2023 17:13:07 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? How many people are convicted of rape without evidence? Can you even be charged without evidence? I believe in extremely harsh punishments for rape - it's the worst thing you can do to a person - but I'm also not a fan of ruining someone's life without evidence. Dunno how it works in the USA, but in the UK the CPS is not going to take a case to court based on an accusation. The police have to be able to show they have a reasonable chance of a conviction. This has actually led the Met to withhold evidence from the defence to gain convictions, since rape is so difficult to prove. Although oddly the conviction rate for rape is higher than for murder.
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Post by darkramj on May 3, 2023 17:14:28 GMT
You sure about that? As far as I know they put Cosby and Harvey behind bars over what were just words. Not excusing them for what they did. Just saying there should be physical evidence proving what they did as being wrong. If there was no physical evidence, for all we know the sex they had was all consensual and these are just women with a grudge. If one is not an eye witness it is impossible to know 100% for sure what really happened.
There is a myth persisting in the minds of some Americans that a person cannot be convicted on circumstantial evidence alone. I'm not sure if you were asserting that exactly...but it is provably false.
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Post by merh on May 3, 2023 17:20:21 GMT
How do you prove it when it is almost always he said/she said in the case of spousal/date rape? My husband was drunk. I said no. He got his anyway. When I pointed it out the next morning he had raped me, he said no court would touch him because it was his marital right as my husband to have sex with his wife when he wanted to. Any since it was around 1980 yeah. A lot of states didnt prosecute rapes in marriages. But go on & feel sorry about people like Donald Trump who is on record Bragging he did stuff like what he did. My thoughts on this had nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with fairness. Yes, date rape is unfair and wrong. And so is making accusations without proof and the alleged getting punished without it. But how do you prove I didn't consent? Rape kit all you want. It wouldn't prove I agreed then changed my mind after which is the usual complaint on date rape. So women should just stop having sex with men?
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 17:56:40 GMT
You sure about that? As far as I know they put Cosby and Harvey behind bars over what were just words. Not excusing them for what they did. Just saying there should be physical evidence proving what they did as being wrong. If there was no physical evidence, for all we know the sex they had was all consensual and these are just women with a grudge. If one is not an eye witness it is impossible to know 100% for sure what really happened.
Just because he MAY have given them drugs does not mean he raped them. We should have more evidence than just words, from either side, to convict.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on May 3, 2023 18:02:15 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? So you blame it on your wife as to the reason why you are so twisted around backwards. After all you stuck that low hanging fruit right out there for target practice. Family drama is not the same as Donald Trump's indiscretions (rape) in an elevator.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 18:06:37 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? So you blame it on your wife as to the reason why you are so twisted around backwards. After all you stuck that low hanging fruit right out there for target practice. Family drama is not the same as Donald Trump's indiscretions (rape) in an elevator. Yeah, let's always believe the words of a victim because men are scum and throw the innocent in jail because it is better to be safe than sorry.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on May 3, 2023 18:10:12 GMT
Just because he MAY have given them drugs does not mean he raped them. We should have more evidence than just words, from either side, to convict. We all know he put the pills in the pudding, don't pretend like there is any doubt there.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 18:16:01 GMT
Just because he MAY have given them drugs does not mean he raped them. We should have more evidence than just words, from either side, to convict. We all know he put the pills in the pudding, don't pretend like there is any doubt there. How do you know? Where you there? Did you actually see it? Actions are louder than words. Crazy at how the haters always never mind about that.
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Post by kuatorises on May 3, 2023 18:30:39 GMT
Just because he MAY have given them drugs does not mean he raped them. We should have more evidence than just words, from either side, to convict. He. Admitted. It.
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Post by merh on May 3, 2023 18:37:14 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? If you raped her after the divorce, where is the rape kit backing her up? I assume you have the brains to not have had sex with her so the rape exam would show no evidence of sexual intercourse.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on May 3, 2023 18:40:59 GMT
So you blame it on your wife as to the reason why you are so twisted around backwards. After all you stuck that low hanging fruit right out there for target practice. Family drama is not the same as Donald Trump's indiscretions (rape) in an elevator. Yeah, let's always believe the words of a victim because men are scum and throw the innocent in jail because it is better to be safe than sorry. Womanizing is being banned on a global scale, even in Japan. www.yahoo.com/news/japan-ban-upskirting-non-consensual-214228526.htmlBeing a masher is not acceptable behavior and never was during the 20th century now that something is actually being done about it, you had better mind your manners. The United States may quickly adopt the same policies. Expect to possibly go to jail for photographing or filming with your smart phone without consent.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 19:00:25 GMT
Just because he MAY have given them drugs does not mean he raped them. We should have more evidence than just words, from either side, to convict. He. Admitted. It.
With the pressure put on by police and/or the DA they can get you to admit you killed Hoffa.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 19:05:52 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? If you raped her after the divorce, where is the rape kit backing her up? I assume you have the brains to not have had sex with her so the rape exam would show no evidence of sexual intercourse. Isn't this backing up my point in the OP? That there should be evidence of rape before bringing it to criminal and civil trial. My cell phone would show that I saw her at her new place, if I had it with me, to pick up the kids. That does not mean that I raped her though.
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Post by Just Casey on May 3, 2023 19:06:58 GMT
I don't think allegations should be enough to win a court case or put any alleged rapists behind bars. Scenario: I am divorcing my gold digging wife who does not get a penny because of our pre nup. She wants to get back at me and claims I raped her after the divorce. I can go to jail for that, just based on her false accusations, and that is not right. There should be physical evidence before any rape claim goes to criminal and/or civil court. Agree or disagree? I’m gonna disagree. I wish there was a way to prove that Casey Anthony‘s father raped her like she accused him of. But, I understand what you are saying.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 3, 2023 19:07:09 GMT
Just because he MAY have given them drugs does not mean he raped them. We should have more evidence than just words, from either side, to convict. If he gave the women drugs and they were out of it, they could not consent, and it is rape. No disagreement from me on that if it can be proven with physical evidence over words.
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