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Post by mrellaguru on May 12, 2023 13:42:32 GMT
All of the reasons mentioned so far such as him being a malignant narcissist conman, making the country a laughing stock, undermining and poisoning the democratic process, etc. He's what happens when we let 4chan pick the president.
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Post by Lux on May 12, 2023 14:18:08 GMT
All of the reasons mentioned so far such as him being a malignant narcissist conman, making the country a laughing stock, undermining and poisoning the democratic process, etc. He's what happens when we let 4chan pick the president. Controlling who votes is quite drastic, no?
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Post by weststigersbob on May 12, 2023 14:18:41 GMT
This is some of most hypocritical shit I've read in a while.
'He has a massive ego and the media knows he brings in the ratings'
'Now, the job of media is for viewers...NOT truth.'. 'So, they play upon the fears and ignorance of their target audience. And the left in the west today is almost entirely emotional based'
What? You've just described the Right to a tee.... Not the 'left'.....
'Because of this, they are VERY easy to fall prey for pretty much any narrative.' MAGA's and QANON's were convinced JFK was going to be 'resurrected', among other completely outlandish conspiracy theories.....
'So... the outlets bring up story after story about him being evil top to bottom (despite many of them liking the guy (which they often deny) in the past) and their audience eats it up.' So news outlets are not supposed to make articles about the things he says and does - even if they are truly "evil" ? Really ?
'While it gets ratings/revenue, it also warps the (admittedly) juvenile minds who still are naive enough to believe the media in this day and age.' You've literally just described MAGA and QANON.
'Truly.. if you compare most of the criteria to measure a president (foreign policy, the economy, energy policy, inflation, national security (border), etc).. Trump has scored higher than most recent presidents.' Trump is genuinely considered a worse president than George W. Bush, and that is saying something. Most of the things you listed, USA actually went backwards, despite Trump's best efforts.
'In light of this, the resistance to him is emotional based...not intellectual.' Most political historians, you know, intellectuals, have Trump in the worst 5 Presidents of all time.
'Some contend its because he succeeded and did so opposing their ideology so that really angered them further.' And these people are called Trump supporters, who despite significant evidence to the contrary, contend he is the saviour of America akin to the second coming of Jesus Christ.
"This is some of most hypocritical shit I've read in a while. 'He has a massive ego and the media knows he brings in the ratings' 'Now, the job of media is for viewers...NOT truth.'. 'So, they play upon the fears and ignorance of their target audience. And the left in the west today is almost entirely emotional based' What? You've just described the Right to a tee.... Not the 'left'....." That's just a reflex due to defensiveness. Granted you might not be able to see it. We often are blind to our tendencies because we lack objectivity. Think of it as having a friend in a toxic relationship. You can see it very clearly because you're on the outside looking in. But your friend isn't hearing any of it no matter how much reasoning you give him/her. The modern left is pretty much as perfect example of this from a political standpoint. Even before the guy took office... the irrational fear caused many of them to scream up the sky, claim all matter of calamities, *resist*, *not my president*, therapy sessions in schools, TDS being a diagnosis, people wanting to leave the country, and had a perpetual tantrum for over 6 years now. There hasn't really been a counterpoint to this observation....just denial. And.. learn what hypocrisy is before you use it next time. I haven't displayed any hypocrisy and didn't even vote for the guy in 2016 and made points when he screwed up. His opposition otoh... are too blinded by irrational anger to acknowledge any of his successes. "'Because of this, they are VERY easy to fall prey for pretty much any narrative.' MAGA's and QANON's were convinced JFK was going to be 'resurrected', among other completely outlandish conspiracy theories....." There wasn't a large percentage who believed in a resurrection of JFK or pizzagate.....lol. But a large percentage believed in the Mueller report, then golden showers, then collusion, then he orchestrated 1/6, etc. And when one theory fell apart... no reflection....they just moved unto the next like good lemmings. "'So... the outlets bring up story after story about him being evil top to bottom (despite many of them liking the guy (which they often deny) in the past) and their audience eats it up.' So news outlets are not supposed to make articles about the things he says and does - even if they are truly "evil" ? Really ?" Ahh but there's a catch there you might have missed. The media is certainly supposed to report what he says and does. The caveat is though... how do they present it?.... what narrative do they sell to their audience for ratings? What spin do they put on a simple story? It's no secret most outlets put a negative presentation. But you see, if someone was predisposed to being so gullible as to take the media at face value, they wouldn't be able to discern that what they were being told was an obscure, agenda-driven narrative. And it worked! They fooled a bunch of lefties and hit ratings gold for years. 'While it gets ratings/revenue, it also warps the (admittedly) juvenile minds who still are naive enough to believe the media in this day and age.' You've literally just described MAGA and QANON." Some might claim that and sometimes its the truth. There are some nuts in MAGA. But since its a disproportionately small amount compared to their counterparts, the original contention is still far more accurate. "'Truly.. if you compare most of the criteria to measure a president (foreign policy, the economy, energy policy, inflation, national security (border), etc).. Trump has scored higher than most recent presidents.' Trump is genuinely considered a worse president than George W. Bush, and that is saying something. Most of the things you listed, USA actually went backwards, despite Trump's best efforts." I know some people claim that but those are without merit. Better economy, more secure border, lower poverty, massive gain in investments, better energy policy, NK progress, no new major conflicts, peace deals in the Middle East, got Nato to pay more, no Russian expansion, prison reform, VA reform, No Obamacare mandate, more home ownership, etc. The denial of said overall successes is really only in the minds of a few emotional kids. This lends more credibility to my initial claim as the perception of being a bad president cannot be linked therefore to policy/results as they were superior to most over the past several decades. "'In light of this, the resistance to him is emotional based...not intellectual.' Most political historians, you know, intellectuals, have Trump in the worst 5 Presidents of all time." Then they're not intellectuals . I just gave a listing of how he exceeded most current presidents. As I stated, the majority of his resistance was mostly emotional as opposed to intellectual. Heck, even this thread is speaking in generalities about the guy. Now, if there was a stronger counter-point... it has yet to be presented. So..he was worse than internment camp presidents? Worse than presidents who didn't oppose slavery? Worse than presidents who oversaw/caused recessions? Worse than a new Vietnam or other wasteful conflict? Intellectuals, huh? "'Some contend its because he succeeded and did so opposing their ideology so that really angered them further.' And these people are called Trump supporters, who despite significant evidence to the contrary, contend he is the saviour of America akin to the second coming of Jesus Christ."" Anyone believing Trump to be Christ is crazy. Anybody believing he's the anti-Christ is likewise just as crazy. The latter was more prevalent on the left. One statement in this whole diatribe completely makes your case null and void as nothing more than a hypocritical rant. ”Then they're not intellectuals . I just gave a listing of how he exceeded most current presidents. As I stated, the majority of his resistance was mostly emotional as opposed to intellectual.” Not only are you outright saying that political historians don’t know what they are talking about, but you - a bullshit artist on an internet forum - knows BETTER, but you claim it’s emotional not intellectual. Yeah sure, people who have spent their entire professional careers documenting the politics of your country cannot provide any examples or evidence for their ranking of presidents - it’s emotion based. This is I think the dumbest, most singular stupid take I’ve ever heard about Trump, and quite possibly about anything.
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Post by mrellaguru on May 12, 2023 14:22:15 GMT
All of the reasons mentioned so far such as him being a malignant narcissist conman, making the country a laughing stock, undermining and poisoning the democratic process, etc. He's what happens when we let 4chan pick the president. Controlling who votes is quite drastic, no? I mean we never should have voted in a 4chan meme president, not that we should control who votes.
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Post by Lux on May 12, 2023 14:25:29 GMT
Controlling who votes is quite drastic, no? I mean we never should have voted in a 4chan meme president, not that we should control who votes. Okay, thought you meant anyone that likes anything remotely 4chan shouldn't vote or should be restricted.
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Post by Xeliou66 on May 12, 2023 16:40:12 GMT
I dislike Trump because he’s a fraud and a con artist - he pretends to care about ordinary people when he actually cares about no one other than himself. His policies sucked for the most part. He’s toxic to America and I’ll never understand why so many people love him so much.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 12, 2023 16:45:31 GMT
"This is some of most hypocritical shit I've read in a while. 'He has a massive ego and the media knows he brings in the ratings' 'Now, the job of media is for viewers...NOT truth.'. 'So, they play upon the fears and ignorance of their target audience. And the left in the west today is almost entirely emotional based' What? You've just described the Right to a tee.... Not the 'left'....." That's just a reflex due to defensiveness. Granted you might not be able to see it. We often are blind to our tendencies because we lack objectivity. Think of it as having a friend in a toxic relationship. You can see it very clearly because you're on the outside looking in. But your friend isn't hearing any of it no matter how much reasoning you give him/her. The modern left is pretty much as perfect example of this from a political standpoint. Even before the guy took office... the irrational fear caused many of them to scream up the sky, claim all matter of calamities, *resist*, *not my president*, therapy sessions in schools, TDS being a diagnosis, people wanting to leave the country, and had a perpetual tantrum for over 6 years now. There hasn't really been a counterpoint to this observation....just denial. And.. learn what hypocrisy is before you use it next time. I haven't displayed any hypocrisy and didn't even vote for the guy in 2016 and made points when he screwed up. His opposition otoh... are too blinded by irrational anger to acknowledge any of his successes. "'Because of this, they are VERY easy to fall prey for pretty much any narrative.' MAGA's and QANON's were convinced JFK was going to be 'resurrected', among other completely outlandish conspiracy theories....." There wasn't a large percentage who believed in a resurrection of JFK or pizzagate.....lol. But a large percentage believed in the Mueller report, then golden showers, then collusion, then he orchestrated 1/6, etc. And when one theory fell apart... no reflection....they just moved unto the next like good lemmings. "'So... the outlets bring up story after story about him being evil top to bottom (despite many of them liking the guy (which they often deny) in the past) and their audience eats it up.' So news outlets are not supposed to make articles about the things he says and does - even if they are truly "evil" ? Really ?" Ahh but there's a catch there you might have missed. The media is certainly supposed to report what he says and does. The caveat is though... how do they present it?.... what narrative do they sell to their audience for ratings? What spin do they put on a simple story? It's no secret most outlets put a negative presentation. But you see, if someone was predisposed to being so gullible as to take the media at face value, they wouldn't be able to discern that what they were being told was an obscure, agenda-driven narrative. And it worked! They fooled a bunch of lefties and hit ratings gold for years. 'While it gets ratings/revenue, it also warps the (admittedly) juvenile minds who still are naive enough to believe the media in this day and age.' You've literally just described MAGA and QANON." Some might claim that and sometimes its the truth. There are some nuts in MAGA. But since its a disproportionately small amount compared to their counterparts, the original contention is still far more accurate. "'Truly.. if you compare most of the criteria to measure a president (foreign policy, the economy, energy policy, inflation, national security (border), etc).. Trump has scored higher than most recent presidents.' Trump is genuinely considered a worse president than George W. Bush, and that is saying something. Most of the things you listed, USA actually went backwards, despite Trump's best efforts." I know some people claim that but those are without merit. Better economy, more secure border, lower poverty, massive gain in investments, better energy policy, NK progress, no new major conflicts, peace deals in the Middle East, got Nato to pay more, no Russian expansion, prison reform, VA reform, No Obamacare mandate, more home ownership, etc. The denial of said overall successes is really only in the minds of a few emotional kids. This lends more credibility to my initial claim as the perception of being a bad president cannot be linked therefore to policy/results as they were superior to most over the past several decades. "'In light of this, the resistance to him is emotional based...not intellectual.' Most political historians, you know, intellectuals, have Trump in the worst 5 Presidents of all time." Then they're not intellectuals . I just gave a listing of how he exceeded most current presidents. As I stated, the majority of his resistance was mostly emotional as opposed to intellectual. Heck, even this thread is speaking in generalities about the guy. Now, if there was a stronger counter-point... it has yet to be presented. So..he was worse than internment camp presidents? Worse than presidents who didn't oppose slavery? Worse than presidents who oversaw/caused recessions? Worse than a new Vietnam or other wasteful conflict? Intellectuals, huh? "'Some contend its because he succeeded and did so opposing their ideology so that really angered them further.' And these people are called Trump supporters, who despite significant evidence to the contrary, contend he is the saviour of America akin to the second coming of Jesus Christ."" Anyone believing Trump to be Christ is crazy. Anybody believing he's the anti-Christ is likewise just as crazy. The latter was more prevalent on the left. One statement in this whole diatribe completely makes your case null and void as nothing more than a hypocritical rant. ”Then they're not intellectuals . I just gave a listing of how he exceeded most current presidents. As I stated, the majority of his resistance was mostly emotional as opposed to intellectual.” Not only are you outright saying that political historians don’t know what they are talking about, but you - a bullshit artist on an internet forum - knows BETTER, but you claim it’s emotional not intellectual. Yeah sure, people who have spent their entire professional careers documenting the politics of your country cannot provide any examples or evidence for their ranking of presidents - it’s emotion based. This is I think the dumbest, most singular stupid take I’ve ever heard about Trump, and quite possibly about anything. "One statement in this whole diatribe completely makes your case null and void as nothing more than a hypocritical rant." Translation: You wanted to avoid the specific accomplishments because your argument as (as stated) emotionally based and addressing actual policies/results would destroy your false narrative. Again, its very important to know the meaning of the word "hypocritical" before using it, ok? I know you might think you sound important using such rhetoric. But when there's no hypocrisy, it weakens your already shaky argument. Yes...I can freely admit that a handful of vague non-cited political commentators on record can be just as guilty as being emotionally compromised as the (rest of the) modern left...and yourself. We already have the aforementioned successes under Trump that exceeded most presidents over the last 30 to 40 years in a wide variety of fronts ranging from economic, to national security, peace deal, energy independence, standard of living, etc. His detractors ignore all of that and use little more than unsubstantiated rhetoric. Now, it IS possible that these "historians" are using criteria that normal people don't use. Maybe they ignore things like prison reform, reforming the VA, a more secure border, more prosperity, peace deals, no new major conflicts, lower poverty rates, no internment camps, not backing slavery, not opposing civil rights, no new major conflicts, no Russian expansion, low inflation, lower poverty, more home ownership, more growth in minority regions, getting Nato to be more fiscally responsible, recognizing Jerusalem, Lower drug/human trafficking, no apology tours, etc. So if they are ignoring the major issues then their take is as meaningless as yours...assuming they exist. Tell you what....cite the specific issues they utilize to determine a president's worth. Until then, those snowflakes are just as full of shit as yourself. To put him bottom 5 means he's worse than those who start useless wars, those who held slaves or backed slavery, those who got the US into a major financial downturn, etc. That in itself tears your (and your s-called "historians...lol) illusions to shreds. When you said you were "thinking", we already knew it was just another lie. Its far more likely you're just another TDS sufferer and someone pointing it out just hit you a little too close to home. If its any consolation, this sort of thing happens to smart people too. But I'll throw you a bone. Cite economic, national security, energy, etc issues that are cited as making him a worse president. But I did see some of the criteria. Bg = Background - How does that makes a good president? PL = Party leadership - Got more done than most in the modern era. CAb = Communication ability - A refined salesman... most are BS artists but thats politics. Not historically stellar but competent. RC = Relations with Congress - Horrible...as has every modern president. CAp = Court appointments - Near record amount for a term and reshaped the courts. HE = Handling of economy - Near historic prosperity. L = Luck - Doesn't really make a good president AC = Ability to compromise - Horrible... as is every modern president. WR = Willing to take risks - The wall, shutdowns over the budget, Going to NK, etc. EAp = Executive appointments - Average OA = Overall ability - Aforementioned successes regardless of denial Im = Imagination - Definitely had to do a lot of maneuvering for some of these policies... so decent. DA = Domestic accomplishments - The wall, Obamacare mandate gone, lower tax rates, better economy, prison reform, VA reform, energy independence, refilled the reserve Int = Integrity - Very little.... but the others are more polished and able to hide it....nothing more. EAb = Executive ability - This is what led to the wall that lowered illegal alien volume plus drug and human trafficking as well. FPA = Foreign policy accomplishments - More progress in NK than last 50 years, no Russians expansion, Jerusalem recognized, peace deals and no new major conflicts. LA = Leadership ability - Got the job done IQ = Intelligence - Made billions and was successful at finding a way to get many policies implemented. AM = Avoid crucial mistakes - No Vietnam scenarios and still had less Covid deaths than Biden EV = Experts' view - Well, we see they pretty much disregarded the successes. O = Overall- Not saying he is top 5. But he is most certainly better than average and certainly better than anything the US had had for at least 30 years.
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Post by Eloi Muck on May 12, 2023 17:19:02 GMT
Rotten personality, rotten policies. What more need be said?
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Post by kiwi on May 12, 2023 20:36:56 GMT
He's stupid. His staff had to spoon-feed him information because his reading skills and comprehension are so poor and he has no attention span.
He's a liar. He averaged 21 lies a day during his presidency. How many lies did he make on CNN on Wednesday night? Have they been tallied yet? He's still insisting his inauguration had the largest attendance in history. He's the most dishonest person I've ever encountered.
He's obsequious in the presence of dictators. His behavior with Putin in Helsinki was a new low in embarrassing diplomacy. He fawned over Jong-un and Erdogan.
He's immature, unable to accept that he lost the 2020 election. His response? Lie, lie, lie, of course.
He's a narcissist. He cares nothing for the United States, for Americans, or anything other than himself.
He's inept. No surprise since he declared bankruptcy repeatedly, but that there were people stupid enough to have believed his "winning" baloney shows there's a sucker born every minute.
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Post by kiwi on May 12, 2023 20:42:51 GMT
Libs? Millions of conservatives also don't like him. Republicans in congress don't like him. Hell, even Tucker Carlson and most of Fox News can't stand him and what you've seen on air has been an act. He's disliked because he's simply all about him and immature as hell. He can't step outside of himself for even a minute. But he has a cult of idiot voters behind him, and THAT is what right-wing media and the GOP is afraid of losing. That is what they bend over backwards for. Oh you mean the voters like him. There's a name for that, democracy. Given that he lost the popular vote twice, "voters like him" requires qualification.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 20:52:45 GMT
It's pretty simple. First off, he ran as a Republican. That in itself makes him evil in the minds of many leftists. But in Trump's case.... there was far more. He was a lightning rod for attention. He has a massive ego and the media knows he brings in the ratings. Now, the job of media is for viewers...NOT truth. So, they play upon the fears and ignorance of their target audience. And the left in the west today is almost entirely emotional based. Because of this, they are VERY easy to fall prey for pretty much any narrative. So... the outlets bring up story after story about him being evil top to bottom (despite many of them liking the guy (which they often deny) in the past) and their audience eats it up. While it gets ratings/revenue, it also warps the (admittedly) juvenile minds who still are naive enough to believe the media in this day and age. Truly.. if you compare most of the criteria to measure a president (foreign policy, the economy, energy policy, inflation, national security (border), etc).. Trump has scored higher than most recent presidents. In light of this, the resistance to him is emotional based...not intellectual. Some contend its because he succeeded and did so opposing their ideology so that really angered them further. At the end of the day, its safe to say its a varying combination of these factors. This is some of most hypocritical shit I've read in a while.
'He has a massive ego and the media knows he brings in the ratings'
'Now, the job of media is for viewers...NOT truth.'. 'So, they play upon the fears and ignorance of their target audience. And the left in the west today is almost entirely emotional based'
What? You've just described the Right to a tee.... Not the 'left'.....
'Because of this, they are VERY easy to fall prey for pretty much any narrative.' MAGA's and QANON's were convinced JFK was going to be 'resurrected', among other completely outlandish conspiracy theories.....
'So... the outlets bring up story after story about him being evil top to bottom (despite many of them liking the guy (which they often deny) in the past) and their audience eats it up.' So news outlets are not supposed to make articles about the things he says and does - even if they are truly "evil" ? Really ?
'While it gets ratings/revenue, it also warps the (admittedly) juvenile minds who still are naive enough to believe the media in this day and age.' You've literally just described MAGA and QANON.
'Truly.. if you compare most of the criteria to measure a president (foreign policy, the economy, energy policy, inflation, national security (border), etc).. Trump has scored higher than most recent presidents.' Trump is genuinely considered a worse president than George W. Bush, and that is saying something. Most of the things you listed, USA actually went backwards, despite Trump's best efforts.
'In light of this, the resistance to him is emotional based...not intellectual.' Most political historians, you know, intellectuals, have Trump in the worst 5 Presidents of all time.
'Some contend its because he succeeded and did so opposing their ideology so that really angered them further.' And these people are called Trump supporters, who despite significant evidence to the contrary, contend he is the saviour of America akin to the second coming of Jesus Christ.
The left literally voted for a guy who is on the mental decline. Aka, you all would have voted for a rock if it meant getting Trump out....
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 20:53:27 GMT
Oh you mean the voters like him. There's a name for that, democracy. You mean he won the electoral system once? 2016 Turnout 60.1% Donald Trump Electoral vote 304 States carried 30 + ME-02 Popular vote 62,984,828Percentage 46.1% Hillary Clinton Electoral vote 227 States carried 20 + DC Popular vote 65,853,514Percentage 48.2% 2020 Turnout 66.6% Joe Biden Electoral vote 306 States carried 25 + DC + NE-02 Popular vote 81,283,501Percentage 51.3% Donald Trump Electoral vote 232 States carried 25 + ME-02 Popular vote 74,223,975Percentage 46.8% DONALD TRUMP LOST THE POPULAR VOTE IN BOTH ELECTIONS. Sorry. He isn't Popular with "the people" He has a percentage that love him. He has a group that votes against the other side. Sorry, california doesn't decide elections..
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 12, 2023 20:58:08 GMT
Fat Donnie trump is a corrupt, amoral, greedy cunt, a sexual predator, a braggart, a boor, a serial liar and a malignant narcissist. That specific enough for you? Biden is a worse evil.
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Post by WarrenPeace on May 12, 2023 21:01:10 GMT
For starters - I'm not a 'lib' as you say, like a slur. The primary reason I, as someone from a very heavily invested and strategically aligned nation to the USA completely dislike Trump is that he is a narcissistic buffoon with the mentality of a spoiled child. The fact he so brazenly lies, and then not only does he regularly get caught lying, he then doubles down - makes him a dangerous person in such a position of responsibility. The epitome of his bravado was his speech at the UN - when he boldly (and exceedingly inaccurately) claimed that “My administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country,” and was surprised by the laughter as a reaction. He subsequently claimed that he intended it as a joke, but then claimed again about his 'accomplishments' in a serious tone. The fact is, many of Trump's 'accomplishments' are either exaggerated claims, complete falsehoods or worse, outcomes from policies that can only be attributed to the previous administration. Actions are louder than words and so what if Trump used those words? Biden is taking us closer to WWIII than Trump ever even dreamed about. Those actions are far worse than anything Trump ever said.
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Post by ayatollah on May 12, 2023 21:05:27 GMT
Oh you mean the voters like him. There's a name for that, democracy. Given that he lost the popular vote twice, "voters like him" requires qualification. We're talking about within the party, he won that overwhelmingly, but never mind what we're actually discussing, just keep saying things.
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