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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 16:13:02 GMT
Having children can cause people to think more about how society can move forward to a better future but there are also childless people who still manage to think that way and at the same time parents who apparently don’t give a flying one about what’s going on around them.
To simplify things, it depends on the people.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Jun 25, 2023 16:14:20 GMT
"Gay people have no children and consequently no interest in creating a socially stable future." Something I read. I don't mean to offend and I hope we can discuss this as adults. Most of our behavior is regulated by our biological "programming". I like to think that intellect can always overcome it but I am probably wrong. So here is the question: is our true interest in socially stable future tied to our biological drive to procreate and create conditions for our issue to thrive? And if so, what about those unable or unwilling to have children? I have no problem with people who choose not to have children in order to devote more time and energy to some project that might beneifit society. I have no problem with people who choose not to have children because they believe meeting their responsibilities to the children is too daunting a task. What bothers me are the people who make a mockery of sex and parenting like it's a joke. I think it would be best if they made up their minds one way or another. |
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Jun 25, 2023 16:15:22 GMT
Gay people can and do have children, either through surrogacy or adoption. When you start the conversation with a false premise, then there is nowhere to go. Gay men who take children from their mothers are douchebags.
Gay men who use surrogates are cowardly and manipulative. You don't deprive a baby of a mother by design. Get over yourself. A baby is not a prop and it's not all about YOU.
Homosexuality is non-reproductive for a reason. There are no buttbabies. If a man wants a kid, find a good woman.
The Homo Superior has spoken. ![[shades]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/xuHnLEnLTSNptewaqJsQ.gif) You realize hetero couples that can’t conceive also use surrogates and adopt, right? |
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Jun 25, 2023 16:18:01 GMT
I read perfectly fine. Your premise is that gay people have no drive to procreate, which is false. Again, you are starting with a false premise. No one in the world ever got pregnant from gay sex. His statement is correct. Gay people tend to rarely have children compare to straight people. *compared That wasn’t the statement he made. His statement was that “gay people have no children and consequently no interest…” which is patently false. They can and do have children through adoption or surrogacy. |
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Post by Boricanator on Jun 25, 2023 16:22:59 GMT
Let’s say you are a gay person in their 20s. There is a good chance you are going to live another 60 years.
You should have an interest in a socially stable future since you will probably live in that future.
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Jun 25, 2023 16:23:48 GMT
Gay people can and do have children, either through surrogacy or adoption. When you start the conversation with a false premise, then there is nowhere to go. Surrogacy is of a child created from an forgotten anonymous sperm donor or if it's two men a disposable no longer needed pregnant host, neither are a particularly stable way of starting an existence living as a must have accessory. Again, a lot of heterosexual couples also use surrogacy. How can you people be so ignorant? Do you really believe that people that go through the time and expense of surrogacy consider the child an accessory? Sometimes, the surrogate is someone close to the couple. I have a friend that was a surrogate for her best friend, and is also a part of the child’s life. She donated the use of her uterus to her friend out of love and compassion for her best friend because she couldn’t conceive. And in other cases; the surrogate mother enters a contract willingly with the couple. |
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Jun 25, 2023 16:30:01 GMT
Surrogacy is of a child created from an forgotten anonymous sperm donor or if it's two men a disposable no longer needed pregnant host, neither are a particularly stable way of starting an existence living as a must have accessory. Again, a lot of heterosexual couples also use surrogacy. How can you people be so ignorant? Do you really believe that people that go through the time and expense of surrogacy consider the child an accessory? Sometimes, the surrogate is someone close to the couple. I have a friend that was a surrogate for her best friend, and is also a part of the child’s life. She donated the use of her uterus to her friend out of love and compassion for her best friend because she couldn’t conceive. And in other cases; the surrogate mother enters a contract willingly with the couple. I think the problem some people are having is not that people adopt, it is only when they encourage "pretend" sex is there a problem.. |
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Post by PresArvid47 on Jun 25, 2023 16:32:51 GMT
"Gay people have no children and consequently no interest in creating a socially stable future." Something I read. I don't mean to offend and I hope we can discuss this as adults. Most of our behavior is regulated by our biological "programming". I like to think that intellect can always overcome it but I am probably wrong. So here is the question: is our true interest in socially stable future tied to our biological drive to procreate and create conditions for our issue to thrive? And if so, what about those unable or unwilling to have children? You are forgetting nephews and nieces. 2 examples: 1. Maybe lesbian Alex doesn't want kids but she loves her nieces and nephews like they were her own. 2. Some men will do more for their nephews and nieces than their own kids because they know those nephews and nieces are related to them unlike their own kids. This could be because they have no doubts about their sister in laws faithfulness, or the kids are from their own sister, who they know they are related to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 16:33:05 GMT
I'll add that children are not the only means of creating a "socially stable future". Everyone - parents and non-parents - in the U.S. can work for policies and the passage of legislation that influence a "socially stable future". (We could discuss what a "socially stable future" entails for several pages).
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Post by Lux on Jun 25, 2023 16:39:11 GMT
Surrogacy is of a child created from an forgotten anonymous sperm donor or if it's two men a disposable no longer needed pregnant host, neither are a particularly stable way of starting an existence living as a must have accessory. Again, a lot of heterosexual couples also use surrogacy. How can you people be so ignorant? Do you really believe that people that go through the time and expense of surrogacy consider the child an accessory? Sometimes, the surrogate is someone close to the couple. I have a friend that was a surrogate for her best friend, and is also a part of the child’s life. She donated the use of her uterus to her friend out of love and compassion for her best friend because she couldn’t conceive. And in other cases; the surrogate mother enters a contract willingly with the couple. Being a fairytale ending for a straight couple unable to conceive and being a means to an end are two different things. Not all surrogate deals are as carefully thought out as your alleged scenario. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 25, 2023 16:46:45 GMT
Gay men who take children from their mothers are douchebags.
Gay men who use surrogates are cowardly and manipulative. You don't deprive a baby of a mother by design. Get over yourself. A baby is not a prop and it's not all about YOU.
Homosexuality is non-reproductive for a reason. There are no buttbabies. If a man wants a kid, find a good woman.
The Homo Superior has spoken. You realize hetero couples that can’t conceive also use surrogates and adopt, right? Yes, but there will be a mother.
I'm a mama's boy. It cruel for two gay men to purposely deprive a child of a mother. Kids need role models of both sexes.
Why the hell do gay men want kids anyway? Seriously, if we were meant to have babies, we'd grow them up our butts.
This stuff is nonsense. Let heterosexuals do what they do and stay the fuck out of it.
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Jun 25, 2023 16:59:32 GMT
You realize hetero couples that can’t conceive also use surrogates and adopt, right? Yes, but there will be a mother.
I'm a mama's boy. It cruel for two gay men to purposely deprive a child of a mother. Kids need role models of both sexes.
Why the hell do gay men want kids anyway? Seriously, if we were meant to have babies, we'd grow them up our butts.
This stuff is nonsense. Let heterosexuals do what they do and stay the fuck out of it.
You will have to learn that you don’t speak for all gay men. The gay men that want children want them for the same reason heterosexuals or gay women want them. Most of them adopt - and children that are up for adoption are already deprived of two parents through various circumstances. Giving them 2 mother, 2 fathers, or even a single parent of either sex is better than the foster care system. The main thing children need are nurturing and caring parents. Role models of both sexes can be available through extended family, aunts, uncles, grandparents. |
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Jun 25, 2023 17:03:11 GMT
Again, a lot of heterosexual couples also use surrogacy. How can you people be so ignorant? Do you really believe that people that go through the time and expense of surrogacy consider the child an accessory? Sometimes, the surrogate is someone close to the couple. I have a friend that was a surrogate for her best friend, and is also a part of the child’s life. She donated the use of her uterus to her friend out of love and compassion for her best friend because she couldn’t conceive. And in other cases; the surrogate mother enters a contract willingly with the couple. Being a fairytale ending for a straight couple unable to conceive and being a means to an end are two different things. Not all surrogate deals are as carefully thought out as your alleged scenario. another flawed premise. In both heterosexual and gay couples, surrogacy is both a means to an end AND a fairytale ending. Your bigotry blinds you. |
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Post by Lux on Jun 25, 2023 17:07:32 GMT
Being a fairytale ending for a straight couple unable to conceive and being a means to an end are two different things. Not all surrogate deals are as carefully thought out as your alleged scenario. another flawed premise. In both heterosexual and gay couples, surrogacy is both a means to an end AND a fairytale ending. Your bigotry blinds you. The thread is a stability a human in his or her formative years growing up isn't going to have a nuanced view of having three parents, Einstein. |
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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Jun 25, 2023 17:11:37 GMT
another flawed premise. In both heterosexual and gay couples, surrogacy is both a means to an end AND a fairytale ending. Your bigotry blinds you. The thread is a stability a human in his or her formative years growing up isn't going to have a nuanced view of having three parents, Einstein. No, the thread is a discussion. The thread is not a “stability”. “Nuanced view of having 3 parents” - doesn’t even make sense. If you are counting the surrogate as a “3rd parent”, then that would be true for both hetero and gay couples. |
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