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Post by 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐕 🐈⬛ Molly on Jun 25, 2023 17:50:42 GMT
*compared That wasn’t the statement he made. His statement was that “gay people have no children and consequently no interest…” which is patently false. They can and do have children through adoption or surrogacy. It's not false. Those cases are exceedingly rare. Even with adoption rates, hetero are far likelier to have kids. Yes there'sexceptions to it, but that's not relevant to the topic he's bringing up. *There are It’s “rare” because there are fewer gay than straight people, and gays tend to face more obstacles to adopt than hetero couples due to bigotry. This is undeniable. It doesn’t mean the desire to be a parent isn’t there. And it is relevant. |
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Post by drystyx on Jun 25, 2023 18:02:34 GMT
Logic and Psychology dictates that it would be the exact opposite of that statement, for anyone without children.
People with children are either going to be selfish for themselves or selfish for their children. Almost never will the father or mother look out for a "socially stable future for everyone". Their interest is in their children if they are caring, although for most parents I ever knew, the children are for their own convenience, as scapegoats, excuses, insurance for their future.
The childless person has no special interest. Even if the childless person seeks to help other kinfolk, the bottom line is that the childless person looks for everyone to eventually marry into the family. The obvious recourse for the "future" is the future of their ancestors, which means the childless person is naturally apt to look at a very long range goal.
I've actually seen this play out in reality as well as theory.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Jun 25, 2023 18:14:02 GMT
Logic and Psychology dictates that it would be the exact opposite of that statement, for anyone without children. People with children are either going to be selfish for themselves or selfish for their children. Almost never will the father or mother look out for a "socially stable future for everyone". Their interest is in their children if they are caring, although for most parents I ever knew, the children are for their own convenience, as scapegoats, excuses, insurance for their future. The childless person has no special interest. Even if the childless person seeks to help other kinfolk, the bottom line is that the childless person looks for everyone to eventually marry into the family. The obvious recourse for the "future" is the future of their ancestors, which means the childless person is naturally apt to look at a very long range goal. I've actually seen this play out in reality as well as theory. Aren't most people ultimately self-serving though...childless or not? I am not saying people cannot be charitable and all. But in the end, people who have children do so because " They wanted children". Conversely, the people/couples who don't want children; they also aren't looking for some altruistic future... they simply don't want the bother of extra responsibility, work, financial drain, etc. Both of those seem to be observable situations in society. |
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Post by Boricanator on Jun 25, 2023 19:01:27 GMT
Let’s say you are a gay person in their 20s. There is a good chance you are going to live another 60 years. You should have an interest in a socially stable future since you will probably live in that future. Probably not. Gay people have high rates of death from AIDS, drugs, disease, et cetera. Tell that to George Takei who is still rocking it at 86. |
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Post by Lux on Jun 25, 2023 19:11:43 GMT
Probably not. Gay people have high rates of death from AIDS, drugs, disease, et cetera. Tell that to George Takei who is still rocking it at 86. That's physically but mentally he's a nutter. |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Jun 25, 2023 19:28:02 GMT
Don't Elton John and Rosie O'Donnel have children? People who want children will always outnumber those who don't, especially in third world countries. I believe in the west the birth rate has been below the rate needed for population increase since the 1970s. Immigration from the third world has been the primary reason for increasing population. |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Jun 25, 2023 19:36:34 GMT
Let’s say you are a gay person in their 20s. There is a good chance you are going to live another 60 years. You should have an interest in a socially stable future since you will probably live in that future. This is becoming a big problem. In the past boy children were needed to supply food for aging parents. Now we need young people to provide taxes for our ageing population. The birth rate isnt sufficient. |
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Post by DalekFred on Jun 25, 2023 19:38:15 GMT
Gay people can and do have children, either through surrogacy or adoption. When you start the conversation with a false premise, then there is nowhere to go. Are you unable or unwilling to understand written text? I hope we can discuss this as adults. Well, that didn't last long. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jun 25, 2023 19:41:17 GMT
"Gay people have no children and consequently no interest in creating a socially stable future." Something I read. I don't mean to offend and I hope we can discuss this as adults. Most of our behavior is regulated by our biological "programming". I like to think that intellect can always overcome it but I am probably wrong. So here is the question: is our true interest in socially stable future tied to our biological drive to procreate and create conditions for our issue to thrive? And if so, what about those unable or unwilling to have children? Our behaviour as a species is largely regulated by what is conditioned onto us. The world will never be what children see and soon enough the penny will drop for them, that it’s a dog eat dog, self-serving, each for its own, capitalistic world. This creates plenty of sociopaths and even psychopaths. Look at the narcissism of self-image that is rampant in all walks of human life. The human species will only evolve when it curtails who breeds and teaches the offspring about connection to life and the universe on a much deeper and spiritual dynamic. I am not referring to religious beliefs of monotheistic God either. This has to go. The biological need to breed is also an aspect of base human programming and is also connected to image of self. This realm of existence will always find a way to create biological organic life, but the dense breeder hasn’t figured that one out yet. There is no current stability with the current rate in which children are being spawned. Pathetic Earthlings! 🖕🏻 |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jun 25, 2023 19:46:30 GMT
Don't Elton John and Rosie O'Donnel have children? People who want children will always outnumber those who don't, especially in third world countries. That is why they are third world. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jun 25, 2023 19:51:32 GMT
Are you unable or unwilling to understand written text? I read perfectly fine. Your premise is that gay people have no drive to procreate, which is false. Again, you are starting with a false premise. What the frick would you know. You are this sites resident moron. You are implying that gay people want to be like straight people. A genuine gay person is not about breeder base mentality. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jun 25, 2023 19:55:23 GMT
Gay men who take children from their mothers are douchebags.
Gay men who use surrogates are cowardly and manipulative. You don't deprive a baby of a mother by design. Get over yourself. A baby is not a prop and it's not all about YOU.
Homosexuality is non-reproductive for a reason. There are no buttbabies. If a man wants a kid, find a good woman.
The Homo Superior has spoken. ![[shades]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/xuHnLEnLTSNptewaqJsQ.gif) You realize hetero couples that can’t conceive also use surrogates and adopt, right? They are hetero not homo. It’s in the breeder makeup to want to fuck up children. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jun 25, 2023 19:58:52 GMT
Let’s say you are a gay person in their 20s. There is a good chance you are going to live another 60 years. You should have an interest in a socially stable future since you will probably live in that future. Where is this future you are talking about? The future is open as it hasn’t happened and every moment keeps the future open, so there is never going to be a future, only a momentary awakening of humanity that can improve upon human life on earth. I won’t be holding by breath anything soon. |
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Post by phludowin on Jun 25, 2023 20:01:10 GMT
"Gay people have no children and consequently no interest in creating a socially stable future." Something I read. I don't mean to offend and I hope we can discuss this as adults. Most of our behavior is regulated by our biological "programming". I like to think that intellect can always overcome it but I am probably wrong. So here is the question: is our true interest in socially stable future tied to our biological drive to procreate and create conditions for our issue to thrive? And if so, what about those unable or unwilling to have children? The premise is bullshit, so in my opinion the most adult answer to your question is a simple "no". |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jun 25, 2023 20:01:36 GMT
Surrogacy is of a child created from an forgotten anonymous sperm donor or if it's two men a disposable no longer needed pregnant host, neither are a particularly stable way of starting an existence living as a must have accessory. Again, a lot of heterosexual couples also use surrogacy. How can you people be so ignorant? Do you really believe that people that go through the time and expense of surrogacy consider the child an accessory? Sometimes, the surrogate is someone close to the couple. I have a friend that was a surrogate for her best friend, and is also a part of the child’s life. She donated the use of her uterus to her friend out of love and compassion for her best friend because she couldn’t conceive. And in other cases; the surrogate mother enters a contract willingly with the couple. I’ve known plenty of surrogate parents and the first key thing they forgot to do, was look at themselves in the mirror and say….”Fuck! Would I really want me as a parent?” Since they don’t, they create more screw ups. |
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