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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 27, 2023 18:17:50 GMT
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 27, 2023 23:42:37 GMT
More like bad writing.
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Post by anwar on Jul 28, 2023 1:27:56 GMT
Anyone who uses Boogeyman words like "Woke", kills their credibility.
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Post by James on Jul 28, 2023 1:40:43 GMT
From my understanding, Across the Spider-Verse and Barbie are woke AF and they were/are doing great financially.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 28, 2023 16:56:46 GMT
Yes and no. Technically, being "woke" in and of itself isn't a bad thing, and a show promoting "woke" ideals is not guaranteed to make the show a failure. There are shows out there that are fairly well respected despite showcasing woke ideals (Handmaid's Tale, House of the Dragon, Westworld, etc.). In the MCU, Hawkeye is a good example of a show that's fairly woke yet still pretty good.
The problem comes in when the studio (or more often the director and writers) sacrifice good writing in order to preach a woke message. When they treat the show as some kind of platform to lecture people while completely disregarding good writing and character development. Because in the end, bad writing is still bad writing regardless of what message you're trying to impart.
A great example of this is the episode in She-Hulk where you have the 2 lawyers representing a husband against his multiple wives. In that episode common sense was thrown completely out of the window just so they could hammer in the point that husbands are d!cks and wives are victims. Another great example of this is the final episode in Wandavision, where they threw away what looked like a far more cohesive finale just because they didn't want the white male saving the day. So they re-wrote the final episode and ended up with a complete mess.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 28, 2023 21:53:26 GMT
No surprise. Marvel went woke after Endgame and ruined all their goodwill they had built up for 10 years.
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Post by anwar on Jul 29, 2023 1:21:46 GMT
A great example of this is the episode in She-Hulk where you have the 2 lawyers representing a husband against his multiple wives. In that episode common sense was thrown completely out of the window just so they could hammer in the point that husbands are d!cks and wives are victims. Another great example of this is the final episode in Wandavision, where they threw away what looked like a far more cohesive finale just because they didn't want the white male saving the day. So they re-wrote the final episode and ended up with a complete mess. Having another outsider character come in to resolve the plot would have been awful writing. Having Wanda and Vision resolve their own problem is how you do it. Dr Strange coming in to help would have been terrible.
That Ship of Theseus bit is one of the smartest written "final showdowns" in recent history.
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Post by anwar on Jul 29, 2023 1:22:20 GMT
No surprise. Marvel went woke after Endgame and ruined all their goodwill they had built up for 10 years. You do know X-Men was always "Woke", right?
Marvel as a whole has always been "Woke".
It's never been a series for Altrighters.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 29, 2023 20:55:52 GMT
No surprise. Marvel went woke after Endgame and ruined all their goodwill they had built up for 10 years. You do know X-Men was always "Woke", right?
Marvel as a whole has always been "Woke".
It's never been a series for Altrighters.
There was no forced wokeness in any of the xmen movies. Cringey wokeness is when you have a forced female avenger scene in endgame or things like Cassie Lang lecturing Modok (who they ruined) or Falcon giving a BLM speech lmao |
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Post by skaathar on Jul 29, 2023 21:36:09 GMT
No surprise. Marvel went woke after Endgame and ruined all their goodwill they had built up for 10 years. You do know X-Men was always "Woke", right?
Marvel as a whole has always been "Woke".
It's never been a series for Altrighters.
No, X-Men wasn't "woke". Get that nonsense out of here. X-Men has always been moderate. Neither too liberal nor too conservative but rather promoting ideals from both. |
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Post by skaathar on Jul 29, 2023 21:59:33 GMT
A great example of this is the episode in She-Hulk where you have the 2 lawyers representing a husband against his multiple wives. In that episode common sense was thrown completely out of the window just so they could hammer in the point that husbands are d!cks and wives are victims. Another great example of this is the final episode in Wandavision, where they threw away what looked like a far more cohesive finale just because they didn't want the white male saving the day. So they re-wrote the final episode and ended up with a complete mess. Having another outsider character come in to resolve the plot would have been awful writing. Having Wanda and Vision resolve their own problem is how you do it. Dr Strange coming in to help would have been terrible.
That Ship of Theseus bit is one of the smartest written "final showdowns" in recent history.
Actually, the way the original finale of Wandavision was written sounded like very original writing that would have subverted expectations and maximized the interconnectivity of the MCU. It would have been one of the first ever shows where the main protagonist ended the show as a villain which would have then directly led into her main antagonist role in MoM. I don't know of any show that could have pulled off something like that. Wandavision had the chance to be the pioneer for something different, but they chickened out last minute seemingly due to woke ideals. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 30, 2023 10:02:16 GMT
From my understanding, Across the Spider-Verse and Barbie are woke AF and they were/are doing great financially. What was woke called before the word was coined a few years ago? |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 30, 2023 10:03:10 GMT
No surprise. Marvel went woke after Endgame and ruined all their goodwill they had built up for 10 years. You do know X-Men was always "Woke", right?
Marvel as a whole has always been "Woke".
It's never been a series for Altrighters.
Stan Lee was a big liberal and it was reflected in his comics. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 30, 2023 10:05:18 GMT
Having another outsider character come in to resolve the plot would have been awful writing. Having Wanda and Vision resolve their own problem is how you do it. Dr Strange coming in to help would have been terrible.
That Ship of Theseus bit is one of the smartest written "final showdowns" in recent history.
Actually, the way the original finale of Wandavision was written sounded like very original writing that would have subverted expectations and maximized the interconnectivity of the MCU. It would have been one of the first ever shows where the main protagonist ended the show as a villain which would have then directly led into her main antagonist role in MoM. I don't know of any show that could have pulled off something like that. Wandavision had the chance to be the pioneer for something different, but they chickened out last minute seemingly due to woke ideals. I thought she did end up as the villain at the end of Wandavision. She had been torturing people in that small town for weeks. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 30, 2023 10:07:11 GMT
You do know X-Men was always "Woke", right?
Marvel as a whole has always been "Woke".
It's never been a series for Altrighters.
There was no forced wokeness in any of the xmen movies. Cringey wokeness is when you have a forced female avenger scene in endgame or things like Cassie Lang lecturing Modok (who they ruined) or Falcon giving a BLM speech lmao Yeah, there are no women in fucking comic book reality. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you hate women? |
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