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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 3, 2023 16:55:37 GMT
UK GDP and employment are higher now than in 2019. I have less money Which of those do you think matters to me? Boricanator is made of cope. Maybe you just have bad spending habits. Yes, clearly its my spending and not inflation......Or the energy crisis.......Tosser.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 17:43:20 GMT
Now you just being disingenuous. Obviously the poverty is up after the child tax credit expired. But poverty levels are back at pre-pandemic levels. That much is clear. The rest is just falsehoods or trying to qualify the good news with false bad news. Facts aren't disingenuous. Removing the credit means things going back to equal reporting. So apples to apples...poverty went up significantly under Biden...which makes sense since his policies contributed to the highest inflation in the modern era. And you didn't dispute any of the other facts that even your fellow lefties acknowledge hence why 70% of the people admit the economy went south under the "Biden Prosperity" Exactly. So, we are back to pre-pandemic levels. It is normal. I dispute all of them as my articles disproved yours. The economy me is good. That is undisputable.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 17:49:14 GMT
Facts aren't disingenuous. Removing the credit means things going back to equal reporting. So apples to apples...poverty went up significantly under Biden...which makes sense since his policies contributed to the highest inflation in the modern era. And you didn't dispute any of the other facts that even your fellow lefties acknowledge hence why 70% of the people admit the economy went south under the "Biden Prosperity" Exactly. So, we are back to pre-pandemic levels. It is normal. I dispute all of them as my articles disproved yours. The economy me is good. That is undisputable. "Exactly. So, we are back to pre-pandemic levels. It is normal." LOL..nope. Pre pandemic under Trump was 10.5%. Under Biden... its up 10% plus double in children. www.statista.com/statistics/200463/us-poverty-rate-since-1990/"I dispute all of them as my articles disproved yours." Nope... you're articles showed the current trend....not overall results during Biden's presidency where its worse than where it began. "The economy me is good. That is undisputable." Even you don't believe it. 70% of the electorate including Democrats don't even pretend it's doing well overall....let alone nearly as well as it was under Trump. Again, even your lefties here don't support your take. The two camps are those who know the economy is bad... and those who know its bad but don't admit it.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 17:58:06 GMT
Exactly. So, we are back to pre-pandemic levels. It is normal. I dispute all of them as my articles disproved yours. The economy me is good. That is undisputable. "Exactly. So, we are back to pre-pandemic levels. It is normal." LOL..nope. Pre pandemic under Trump was 10.5%. Under Biden... its up 10% plus double in children. www.statista.com/statistics/200463/us-poverty-rate-since-1990/"I dispute all of them as my articles disproved yours." Nope... you're articles showed the current trend....not overall results during Biden's presidency where its worse than where it began. "The economy me is good. That is undisputable." Even you don't believe it. 70% of the electorate including Democrats don't even pretend it's doing well overall....let alone nearly as well as it was under Trump. Again, even your lefties here don't support your take. The two camps are those who know the economy is bad... and those who know its bad but don't admit it. You realize you just admitted poverty is lower now than under Trump? Lol! Even your article says it is the same. The articles proved wages are outpacing inflation, consumer confidence is up and homeownership is up. The same polls that predicted a red wave? I don’t buy that.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 18:08:28 GMT
"Exactly. So, we are back to pre-pandemic levels. It is normal." LOL..nope. Pre pandemic under Trump was 10.5%. Under Biden... its up 10% plus double in children. www.statista.com/statistics/200463/us-poverty-rate-since-1990/"I dispute all of them as my articles disproved yours." Nope... you're articles showed the current trend....not overall results during Biden's presidency where its worse than where it began. "The economy me is good. That is undisputable." Even you don't believe it. 70% of the electorate including Democrats don't even pretend it's doing well overall....let alone nearly as well as it was under Trump. Again, even your lefties here don't support your take. The two camps are those who know the economy is bad... and those who know its bad but don't admit it. You realize you just admitted poverty is lower now than under Trump? Lol! Even your article says it is the same. The articles proved wages are outpacing inflation, consumer confidence is up and homeownership is up. The same polls that predicted a red wave? I don’t buy that. Nope...it was 10.5% pre pandemic under Trump...its 11.5% under Biden. That's a 10% increase plus double with children. If you paid 2.00 for bread under Trump and it rose to 4.00 under Biden but THEN dropped to 3.90... that's not an overall improvement😆. Same goes for hone ownership AND consumer confidence. All are way down under Biden. At the current trend of trying to return to Trump levels.... it would take close to a decade...or several depending upon which Biden failure you're referencing. You're contending you disagree with the majority of Democrats as well. You're buying it...you're just lying because it's the nature of politics to spin.
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Post by dk56 on Dec 3, 2023 18:09:07 GMT
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 18:31:03 GMT
You realize you just admitted poverty is lower now than under Trump? Lol! Even your article says it is the same. The articles proved wages are outpacing inflation, consumer confidence is up and homeownership is up. The same polls that predicted a red wave? I don’t buy that. Nope...it was 10.5% pre pandemic under Trump...its 11.5% under Biden. That's a 10% increase plus double with children. If you paid 2.00 for bread under Trump and it rose to 4.00 under Biden but THEN dropped to 3.90... that's not an overall improvement😆. Same goes for hone ownership AND consumer confidence. All are way down under Biden. At the current trend of trying to return to Trump levels.... it would take close to a decade...or several depending upon which Biden failure you're referencing. You're contending you disagree with the majority of Democrats as well. You're buying it...you're just lying because it's the nature of politics to spin. It was 11.5% when Trump left office. That is on him. You forget wages are outpacing inflation. So, you can afford that bread. Home ownership is at pre-pandemic levels. Consumer confidence is up. So, you admit things are improving. Good to know. No need to change horse mid-stream. I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way.
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Post by uncreative on Dec 3, 2023 18:35:25 GMT
All I know is I'm better off than I've ever been. My paycheck beat inflation and the inflation made my mortgage payments comparatively smaller. I don't think it's all that connected to whoever happens to be president though.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 18:41:19 GMT
All I know is I'm better off than I've ever been. My paycheck beat inflation and the inflation made my mortgage payments comparatively smaller. I don't think it's all that connected to whoever happens to be president though. I keep seeing polls saying doom and gloom, but Democrats keep doing well. It doesn’t add up. Until l see Democrats doing badly, I need to assume most Americans are satisfied with the current administration.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 18:42:04 GMT
Nope...it was 10.5% pre pandemic under Trump...its 11.5% under Biden. That's a 10% increase plus double with children. If you paid 2.00 for bread under Trump and it rose to 4.00 under Biden but THEN dropped to 3.90... that's not an overall improvement😆. Same goes for hone ownership AND consumer confidence. All are way down under Biden. At the current trend of trying to return to Trump levels.... it would take close to a decade...or several depending upon which Biden failure you're referencing. You're contending you disagree with the majority of Democrats as well. You're buying it...you're just lying because it's the nature of politics to spin. It was 11.5% when Trump left office. That is on him. You forget wages are outpacing inflation. So, you can afford that bread. Home ownership is at pre-pandemic levels. Consumer confidence is up. So, you admit things are improving. Good to know. No need to change horse mid-stream. I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way. LOL...nope... prepandemic levels..you said it yourself..apples to apples . Nope... wages only recently began outpacing inflation..had 3 years of Biden prosperity. Hence, the 2.00 - 4.00 dropping to 3.90 is apples to apples. : ) Home ownership and consumer confidence is still below pre-pandemic levels...as is LPR. 4.00 to 3.90 when people were paying 2.00 is not overall improvement. You're being dishonest. Glad you admit though Biden was overall a failure and have a minor short term reverse trend to focus on. "I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way.' You do, huh? Well.. should I believe what Democrats as a whole are saying...as well as the majority of the left here NOT backing your contention?... or should I back the single online guy who says its good despite the evidence to the contrary? www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/business/economy/democrats-biden-economy.htmlAn overwhelming majority of DEMOCRATS in swing states admit the economy is either bad or fair... NOT good or excellent as they admitted when Trump was president.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 18:43:21 GMT
All I know is I'm better off than I've ever been. My paycheck beat inflation and the inflation made my mortgage payments comparatively smaller. I don't think it's all that connected to whoever happens to be president though. Congratulations on being among the 14%. www.ft.com/content/c17c35a3-e030-4e3b-9f49-c6bdf7d3da7f
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 18:47:12 GMT
It was 11.5% when Trump left office. That is on him. You forget wages are outpacing inflation. So, you can afford that bread. Home ownership is at pre-pandemic levels. Consumer confidence is up. So, you admit things are improving. Good to know. No need to change horse mid-stream. I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way. LOL...nope... prepandemic levels..you said it yourself..apples to apples . Nope... wages only recently began outpacing inflation..had 3 years of Biden prosperity. Hence, the 2.00 - 4.00 dropping to 3.90 is apples to apples. : ) Home ownership and consumer confidence is still below pre-pandemic levels...as is LPR. 4.00 to 3.90 when people were paying 2.00 is not overall improvement. You're being dishonest. Glad you admit though Biden was overall a failure and have a minor short term reverse trend to focus on. "I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way.' You do, huh? Well.. should I believe what Democrats as a whole are saying...as well as the majority of the left here NOT backing your contention?... or should I back the single online guy who says its good despite the evidence to the contrary? www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/business/economy/democrats-biden-economy.htmlAn overwhelming majority of DEMOCRATS in swing states admit the economy is either bad or fair... NOT good or excellent as they admitted when Trump was president. Homeownership and consumer confidence is up. The NYT article is behind a paywall. Majority of the left here? Not true. You want to believe something, believe election results. That’s the best test of how people feel about the current Democratic administration. And the election results show people are content. Democracts have been crushing it in swing states and outperforming in red states.
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Post by geddy on Dec 3, 2023 18:49:22 GMT
That poll wouldn't be for the most senile now would it.🙂
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 18:54:05 GMT
LOL...nope... prepandemic levels..you said it yourself..apples to apples . Nope... wages only recently began outpacing inflation..had 3 years of Biden prosperity. Hence, the 2.00 - 4.00 dropping to 3.90 is apples to apples. : ) Home ownership and consumer confidence is still below pre-pandemic levels...as is LPR. 4.00 to 3.90 when people were paying 2.00 is not overall improvement. You're being dishonest. Glad you admit though Biden was overall a failure and have a minor short term reverse trend to focus on. "I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way.' You do, huh? Well.. should I believe what Democrats as a whole are saying...as well as the majority of the left here NOT backing your contention?... or should I back the single online guy who says its good despite the evidence to the contrary? www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/business/economy/democrats-biden-economy.htmlAn overwhelming majority of DEMOCRATS in swing states admit the economy is either bad or fair... NOT good or excellent as they admitted when Trump was president. Homeownership and consumer confidence is up. The NYT article is behind a paywall. Majority of the left here? Not true. You want to believe something, believe election results. That’s the best test of how people feel about the current Democratic administration. And the election results show people are content. "Homeownership and consumer confidence is up." Over the last few months but way down since Biden took office. Your spin was already addressed that at its current minor recovery (if sustained0 would take years to decades to get back to Trump levels. Thank you. "The NYT article is behind a paywall." Here you go: **** A majority of those who backed President Biden in 2020 say today’s economy is fair or poor, ordinarily a bad omen for incumbents seeking re-election. Presidents seeking a second term have often found the public’s perception of the economy a pivotal issue. It was a boon to Ronald Reagan; it helped usher Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush out of the White House. Now, as President Biden looks toward a re-election campaign, there are warning signals on that front: With overall consumer sentiment at a low ebb despite solid economic data, even Democrats who supported Mr. Biden in 2020 say they’re not impressed with the economy.In a recent New York Times/Siena College poll of voters in six battleground states, 62 percent of those voters think the economy is only “fair” or “poor” (compared with 97 percent for those who voted for Donald J. Trump). What the Economy Looks Like to Biden Voters in Swing States Percent of President Biden’s 2020 supporters who ... Notes: Respondents of other races were omitted because of low sample sizes. The figures may not add up to 100 percent because of rounding.Source: New York Times/Siena College polls of 3,662 registered voters conducted Oct. 22 to Nov. 3 in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and WisconsinBy The New York Times The demographics of Mr. Biden’s 2020 supporters may explain part of his challenge now: They were on balance younger, had lower incomes and were more racially diverse than Mr. Trump’s. Those groups tend to be hit hardest by inflation, which has yet to return to 2020 levels, and high interest rates, which have frustrated first-time home buyers and drained the finances of those dependent on credit. But if the election were held today, and the options were Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump, it’s not clear whether voter perceptions of the economy would tip the balance. “The last midterm was an abortion election,” said Joshua Doss, an analyst at the public opinion research firm HIT Strategies, referring to the 2022 voting that followed the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling. “Most of the time, elections are about ‘it’s the economy, stupid.’ Republicans lost that because of Roe. So we’re definitely in uncharted territory.” There are things working in Mr. Biden’s favor. First, Mr. Doss said, the economic programs enacted under the Biden administration remain broadly popular, providing a political foundation for Mr. Biden to build on. And second, social issues — which lifted the Democrats in the midterms — remain a prominent concern. ********* "Majority of the left here? Not true." Yep, they don't back you up save for a few who also pretend...nothing more. So you've got a board that's 2 to 1 lefty still not supporting your spin. "You want to believe something, believe election results. That’s the best test of how people feel about the current Democratic administration." Nope..it was a backlash to the abortion issue and without Biden on the ticket. Biden has record voter remorse. "And the election results show people are content." Nope (see above) So we have both polls and economic data proving the Biden economy sucks both in reality and perception. What else have you got?
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 3, 2023 18:55:26 GMT
Catch 22 for Republicans. Only Trump can win the nomination and only Trump can lose to Biden.
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