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Post by mrellaguru on Dec 3, 2023 19:33:09 GMT
Of course. Global inflation resulting from the pandemic and supply chain issues is all Biden's fault and magically wouldn't have occurred had Trump gotten a second term.
Who said that? Conservatives blaming Biden for inflation and the economy as if it's somehow his fault and Trump would be better.
EDIT: Did you see what I was replying to?
"People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden." Conservatives are still blaming Biden.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 19:36:06 GMT
Wages vs inflation is paltry here in the US compared to 2020. Our poverty rates are way up. Our border is in shambles. Less people here are homeowners. People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden. LPR is down as is consumer confidence. There's a host of many more reasons but trust me... everyone here knows the economy is bad... its just that not everyone can admit it. UK GDP and employment are higher now than in 2019. I have less money Which of those do you think matters to me? Boricanator is made of cope. I mean....Thor isn't wrong....
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Post by dk56 on Dec 3, 2023 19:38:22 GMT
Conservatives blaming Biden for inflation and the economy as if it's somehow his fault and Trump would be better.
EDIT: Did you see what I was replying to?
"People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden." Conservatives are still blaming Biden.
Biden took advantage of covid to pass spending bills to throw fuel on the fire in 2021-2022. Did we need a climate spending bill for any reason other than to pay off his donors? He's also funding proxy wars and we're running $1.5-2 trillion deficits. Leftists here were LOSING THEIR MINDS when Trump deficits were 0.75-1 trillion prior to the leftist celebrated commie virus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 19:38:57 GMT
Catch 22 for Republicans. Only Trump can win the nomination and only Trump can lose to Biden. I don't see a few Republicans beating Biden. I honestly believe, Trump probably is the best bet to win. Vivek is interesting, sadly, I don't think he has a "name" yet. Yes, American politics are stupid. 🍻
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 3, 2023 19:41:44 GMT
Conservatives blaming Biden for inflation and the economy as if it's somehow his fault and Trump would be better.
EDIT: Did you see what I was replying to?
"People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden." Conservatives are still blaming Biden.
Yes, because Copeinator is claiming Bidens economy is awesome. Nobody said inflation et al wouldn't have happened under Trump, thats a stupid strawman. But the issue is whether the average American feels the economy is good and they base that by what their wage can buy. Its no good waving GDP and employment figures at a man who's wage is worth 30% less than it was under Trump.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 19:51:14 GMT
"No, its at pre-pandemic levels." Except for home ownership rates, poverty levels, consumer confidence, inflation, buying power, LPR, savings, investment performance (avg family lost 1/.3 of their value). Other than that... sure. : ) "Again with the polls. I don’t care about the polls. They have been very inaccurate for years." So... I should believe one random person on the internet instead of a series of polls further cementing my contention even among Democrats? You need to provide the stronger argument and not just saying you don't believe the stats or your own people. "The leftist are not going against me either. Maybe they are just not interested in talking about it." Nope.. 14% overall say they're better off and even the article stated the majority acknowledge its worse off now. "It’s not just the 2022 midterms. All 2023 has been good for Democrats." And Biden is on the ticket........where? And nope... some states/regions are turning red. The Democrats pulled funding for Georgia, they'll losing a lot of enthusiasm in the black community which was vita for 2020. They're losing a lot of the youth vote and even the failed bribe for student debt isn't getting them back. "Economic data shows the economy is good." It shows in improvement from abysmal to not quite as abysmal and far from the prepandemic levels. "I’ve got the truth. The economy is good and Democrats keep doing well in election after election." Close. You've got your spin which is mostly devoid of truth and hope enough people accept that spin so that Biden can win. "Enjoy the Biden Prosperity! Most Americans are." Yup..14%... the rest are worse off. The economy is good and many metrics are at pre-pandemic levels. Including many you mentioned. You want to believe polls when they have been very wrong? Go ahead. Regions are turning purple or blue. Not red. Blacks continue to support Democrats. They did it in 2020, 2022 and continue to do so this year. Forget the polls. Election results are what matters. It doesn’t matter Biden is not on the ballot. It’s all about the brand and Democrats have increasing support. Correction. Per the comparison of pre-pandemic and the current, home ownership, poverty levels, costs, wages vs inflation, inflation levels, LPR, consumer confidence, etc are all objectively worse. The polls were most all within the margin of error. Hence, the spun from a bad economy to good isn't resonating. Only 14% are better off. Black support is dropping. They merely have to vote less... not necessarily vote for the GOP..to cripple the Dems. They already pulled out of Georgia funding given their loss of support. Nevada, Florida, Iowa, and most of the Midwest are trending red...more than offsetting Georgia. If Biden on the ballot didn't matter then you'd have presidential vote volume in the midterms. So now... it'll be Biden without an immediate benefit of social issues. Democrats have their lowest voter identification in history. Independents are the majority and disapprove of Biden 2 to 1. Try again. 😉
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 19:53:09 GMT
Wages vs inflation is paltry here in the US compared to 2020. Our poverty rates are way up. Our border is in shambles. Less people here are homeowners. People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden. LPR is down as is consumer confidence. There's a host of many more reasons but trust me... everyone here knows the economy is bad... its just that not everyone can admit it.
Of course. Global inflation resulting from the pandemic and supply chain issues is all Biden's fault and magically wouldn't have occurred had Trump gotten a second term.
Whoever pretended it was all Biden vs opposed to just his contributions via bad policy?
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Post by mrellaguru on Dec 3, 2023 19:53:17 GMT
Conservatives blaming Biden for inflation and the economy as if it's somehow his fault and Trump would be better.
EDIT: Did you see what I was replying to?
"People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden." Conservatives are still blaming Biden.
Yes, because Copeinator is claiming Bidens economy is awesome. Nobody said inflation et al wouldn't have happened under Trump, thats a stupid strawman. But the issue is whether the average American feels the economy is good and they base that by what their wage can buy. Its no good waving GDP and employment figures at a man who's wage is worth 30% less than it was under Trump.
I agree, inflation is still a huge problem for the economy even though other aspects are strong. It's just not something that Trump supporters can reasonably use as justification for rejecting Biden and voting for their guy, when it's a global thing that Biden didn't create. From the tone of joe's post it did look to me like he was trying to blame Biden. And I know that voters often blame whoever is president for bad stuff that happens on their watch whether it's rational or not.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 19:55:55 GMT
Conservatives blaming Biden for inflation and the economy as if it's somehow his fault and Trump would be better.
EDIT: Did you see what I was replying to?
"People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden." Conservatives are still blaming Biden.
Yes, because Copeinator is claiming Bidens economy is awesome. Nobody said inflation et al wouldn't have happened under Trump, thats a stupid strawman. But the issue is whether the average American feels the economy is good and they base that by what their wage can buy. Its no good waving GDP and employment figures at a man who's wage is worth 30% less than it was under Trump. But it is to a man that lost their job under Trump. And there are many of those. With wages outpacing inflation, it will soon be irrelevant anyway.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 3, 2023 20:00:16 GMT
Yes, because Copeinator is claiming Bidens economy is awesome. Nobody said inflation et al wouldn't have happened under Trump, thats a stupid strawman. But the issue is whether the average American feels the economy is good and they base that by what their wage can buy. Its no good waving GDP and employment figures at a man who's wage is worth 30% less than it was under Trump.
I agree, inflation is still a huge problem for the economy even though other aspects are strong. It's just not something that Trump supporters can reasonably use as justification for rejecting Biden and voting for their guy, when it's a global thing that Biden didn't create. From the tone of joe's post it did look to me like he was trying to blame Biden. And I know that voters often blame whoever is president for bad stuff that happens on their watch whether it's rational or not.
And thats kinda my point. Figures don't matter. The value of their wage does and they will blame the government.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 3, 2023 20:01:24 GMT
Yes, because Copeinator is claiming Bidens economy is awesome. Nobody said inflation et al wouldn't have happened under Trump, thats a stupid strawman. But the issue is whether the average American feels the economy is good and they base that by what their wage can buy. Its no good waving GDP and employment figures at a man who's wage is worth 30% less than it was under Trump. But it is to a man that lost their job under Trump. And there are many of those. With wages outpacing inflation, it will soon be irrelevant anyway. Well no, because they need to outpace inflation for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 20:06:19 GMT
The economy is good and many metrics are at pre-pandemic levels. Including many you mentioned. You want to believe polls when they have been very wrong? Go ahead. Regions are turning purple or blue. Not red. Blacks continue to support Democrats. They did it in 2020, 2022 and continue to do so this year. Forget the polls. Election results are what matters. It doesn’t matter Biden is not on the ballot. It’s all about the brand and Democrats have increasing support. Correction. Per the comparison of pre-pandemic and the current, home ownership, poverty levels, costs, wages vs inflation, inflation levels, LPR, consumer confidence, etc are all objectively worse. The polls were most all within the margin of error. Hence, the spun from a bad economy to good isn't resonating. Only 14% are better off. Black support is dropping. They merely have to vote less... not necessarily vote for the GOP..to cripple the Dems. They already pulled out of Georgia funding given their loss of support. Nevada, Florida, Iowa, and most of the Midwest are trending red...more than offsetting Georgia. If Biden on the ballot didn't matter then you'd have presidential vote volume in the midterms. So now... it'll be Biden without an immediate benefit of social issues. Democrats have their lowest voter identification in history. Independents are the majority and disapprove of Biden 2 to 1. Try again. 😉 I'd say Florida is also reaching "GOP" status. Aka, not that swing state, anymore. I've warned about minority support for months. They're not doing anything for that community for years. I feel both parties have issues. If gop goes with Nikki, I'd vote biden. Atm it's 3rd party
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 20:07:09 GMT
But it is to a man that lost their job under Trump. And there are many of those. With wages outpacing inflation, it will soon be irrelevant anyway. Well no, because they need to outpace inflation for a long time. Bingo. It would take years at the current wage vs inflation to equal the buying power we had prepandemic. 3 years of it getting worse with a minor correction is an equivalent of getting pissed on when you're on fire and being told you're well off.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 20:08:30 GMT
Correction. Per the comparison of pre-pandemic and the current, home ownership, poverty levels, costs, wages vs inflation, inflation levels, LPR, consumer confidence, etc are all objectively worse. The polls were most all within the margin of error. Hence, the spun from a bad economy to good isn't resonating. Only 14% are better off. Black support is dropping. They merely have to vote less... not necessarily vote for the GOP..to cripple the Dems. They already pulled out of Georgia funding given their loss of support. Nevada, Florida, Iowa, and most of the Midwest are trending red...more than offsetting Georgia. If Biden on the ballot didn't matter then you'd have presidential vote volume in the midterms. So now... it'll be Biden without an immediate benefit of social issues. Democrats have their lowest voter identification in history. Independents are the majority and disapprove of Biden 2 to 1. Try again. 😉 I'd say Florida is also reaching "GOP" status. Aka, not that swing state, anymore. I've warned about minority support for months. They're not doing anything for that community for years. I feel both parties have issues. If gop goes with Nikki, I'd vote biden. Atm it's 3rd party You called it YEARS ago. I live in Georgia which is trending blue. So seeing the funding here dry up for the Democrats really was shocking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 20:13:47 GMT
I'd say Florida is also reaching "GOP" status. Aka, not that swing state, anymore. I've warned about minority support for months. They're not doing anything for that community for years. I feel both parties have issues. If gop goes with Nikki, I'd vote biden. Atm it's 3rd party You called it YEARS ago. I live in Georgia which is trending blue. So seeing the funding here dry up for the Democrats really was shocking. I'd also say, Candace Owen's is now starting to find herself. I used to hate that woman. Now, she's actually becoming a lot more logical. Her debate with Rogan, she was a train wreck. Now, the left went so stupid, its easy to debate them with facts. I see her now, as a disgruntled Democrat. Even if so, it's things they need to hear. They do nothing for those communities for 4 years, when voting time comes in, we need you at the polls. I saw it happening under Trump. I said it be a slow shift. It is becoming a slow shift. Imo, black community needs a serious debate among each other. A lot were told you MUST vote Democrat. That's a debate, my white ass can't help on. 😆 🤣 😂
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