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Post by uncreative on Dec 3, 2023 18:58:55 GMT
All I know is I'm better off than I've ever been. My paycheck beat inflation and the inflation made my mortgage payments comparatively smaller. I don't think it's all that connected to whoever happens to be president though. Congratulations on being among the 14%. www.ft.com/content/c17c35a3-e030-4e3b-9f49-c6bdf7d3da7fWrong. I already said I don't think Current President has had a major impact on my financial situation one way or another. The 14% is just based on people's feelings, which is relevant for polls but also people's feelings can be completely stupid. If Trump wins then people's feelings about the economy will be instantly reversed because that's how these things tend to go.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 18:59:44 GMT
Homeownership and consumer confidence is up. The NYT article is behind a paywall. Majority of the left here? Not true. You want to believe something, believe election results. That’s the best test of how people feel about the current Democratic administration. And the election results show people are content. "Homeownership and consumer confidence is up." Over the last few months but way down since Biden took office. Thank you. "The NYT article is behind a paywall." Here you go: **** A majority of those who backed President Biden in 2020 say today’s economy is fair or poor, ordinarily a bad omen for incumbents seeking re-election. Presidents seeking a second term have often found the public’s perception of the economy a pivotal issue. It was a boon to Ronald Reagan; it helped usher Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush out of the White House. Now, as President Biden looks toward a re-election campaign, there are warning signals on that front: With overall consumer sentiment at a low ebb despite solid economic data, even Democrats who supported Mr. Biden in 2020 say they’re not impressed with the economy.In a recent New York Times/Siena College poll of voters in six battleground states, 62 percent of those voters think the economy is only “fair” or “poor” (compared with 97 percent for those who voted for Donald J. Trump). What the Economy Looks Like to Biden Voters in Swing States Percent of President Biden’s 2020 supporters who ... Notes: Respondents of other races were omitted because of low sample sizes. The figures may not add up to 100 percent because of rounding.Source: New York Times/Siena College polls of 3,662 registered voters conducted Oct. 22 to Nov. 3 in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and WisconsinBy The New York Times The demographics of Mr. Biden’s 2020 supporters may explain part of his challenge now: They were on balance younger, had lower incomes and were more racially diverse than Mr. Trump’s. Those groups tend to be hit hardest by inflation, which has yet to return to 2020 levels, and high interest rates, which have frustrated first-time home buyers and drained the finances of those dependent on credit. But if the election were held today, and the options were Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump, it’s not clear whether voter perceptions of the economy would tip the balance. “The last midterm was an abortion election,” said Joshua Doss, an analyst at the public opinion research firm HIT Strategies, referring to the 2022 voting that followed the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling. “Most of the time, elections are about ‘it’s the economy, stupid.’ Republicans lost that because of Roe. So we’re definitely in uncharted territory.” There are things working in Mr. Biden’s favor. First, Mr. Doss said, the economic programs enacted under the Biden administration remain broadly popular, providing a political foundation for Mr. Biden to build on. And second, social issues — which lifted the Democrats in the midterms — remain a prominent concern. ********* "Majority of the left here? Not true." Yep, they don't back you up save for a few who also pretend...nothing more. So you've got a board that's 2 to 1 lefty still not supporting your spin. "You want to believe something, believe election results. That’s the best test of how people feel about the current Democratic administration." Nope..it was a backlash to the abortion issue and without Biden on the ticket. Biden has record voter remorse. So we have both polls and economic data proving the Biden economy sucks both in reality and perception. What else have you got? And the election results show people are content." No, its at pre-pandemic levels. Again with the polls. I don’t care about the polls. They have been very inaccurate for years. The leftist are not going against me either. Maybe they are just not interested in talking about it. It’s not just the 2022 midterms. All 2023 has been good for Democrats. Economic data shows the economy is good. I’ve got the truth. The economy is good and Democrats keep doing well in election after election. Enjoy the Biden Prosperity! Most Americans are.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 3, 2023 19:00:18 GMT
Nope...it was 10.5% pre pandemic under Trump...its 11.5% under Biden. That's a 10% increase plus double with children. If you paid 2.00 for bread under Trump and it rose to 4.00 under Biden but THEN dropped to 3.90... that's not an overall improvement😆. Same goes for hone ownership AND consumer confidence. All are way down under Biden. At the current trend of trying to return to Trump levels.... it would take close to a decade...or several depending upon which Biden failure you're referencing. You're contending you disagree with the majority of Democrats as well. You're buying it...you're just lying because it's the nature of politics to spin. It was 11.5% when Trump left office. That is on him. You forget wages are outpacing inflation. So, you can afford that bread. Home ownership is at pre-pandemic levels. Consumer confidence is up. So, you admit things are improving. Good to know. No need to change horse mid-stream. I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way. Hmm, what happened in the final year of Trumps term? And yes, things are improving, but as it has been pointed out. If you start with $1000 and lose $500. Having $510 is an improvement on the $500. Hope that was simple enough for you.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 19:02:27 GMT
Wrong. I already said I don't think Current President has had a major impact on my financial situation one way or another. The 14% is just based on people's feelings, which is relevant for polls but also people's feelings can be completely stupid. If Trump wins then people's feelings about the economy will be instantly reversed because that's how these things tend to go. Right. People "feel" based upon their experiences (among other things). To what degree Biden's policies hurt/helped the economy is immaterial regarding if people are better off or not. While its true feelings are not the defining factor... it does still become a stronger argument when one weighs the objective economic data. Some will undoubtedly feel better because its their guy... but since even Democrats agree that economy was better pre-Biden, its difficult to argue with the fact the 14% holds merit. Glad you are better off. I admit... I am doing well.. I made sure to sell my stocks because I knew they'd tank with Biden. Buying up cheap netted me an additional 30%.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 19:02:34 GMT
Wrong. I already said I don't think Current President has had a major impact on my financial situation one way or another. The 14% is just based on people's feelings, which is relevant for polls but also people's feelings can be completely stupid. If Trump wins then people's feelings about the economy will be instantly reversed because that's how these things tend to go. It doesn’t help that the media keeps predicting doom and gloom. It’s all about feelings, like you said.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 19:05:28 GMT
It was 11.5% when Trump left office. That is on him. You forget wages are outpacing inflation. So, you can afford that bread. Home ownership is at pre-pandemic levels. Consumer confidence is up. So, you admit things are improving. Good to know. No need to change horse mid-stream. I am disagreeing with the polls. I don’t think Democrats feel that way. Hmm, what happened in the final year of Trumps term? And yes, things are improving, but as it has been pointed out. If you start with $1000 and lose $500. Having $510 is an improvement on the $500. Hope that was simple enough for you. Trump mishandled the Covid pandemic. That’s why the economy tanked. Rome wasn’t built in one day. And the recovery has been much better than what you are saying. Still, no reason to change Presidents.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 19:07:43 GMT
"Homeownership and consumer confidence is up." Over the last few months but way down since Biden took office. Thank you. "The NYT article is behind a paywall." Here you go: **** A majority of those who backed President Biden in 2020 say today’s economy is fair or poor, ordinarily a bad omen for incumbents seeking re-election. Presidents seeking a second term have often found the public’s perception of the economy a pivotal issue. It was a boon to Ronald Reagan; it helped usher Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush out of the White House. Now, as President Biden looks toward a re-election campaign, there are warning signals on that front: With overall consumer sentiment at a low ebb despite solid economic data, even Democrats who supported Mr. Biden in 2020 say they’re not impressed with the economy.In a recent New York Times/Siena College poll of voters in six battleground states, 62 percent of those voters think the economy is only “fair” or “poor” (compared with 97 percent for those who voted for Donald J. Trump). What the Economy Looks Like to Biden Voters in Swing States Percent of President Biden’s 2020 supporters who ... Notes: Respondents of other races were omitted because of low sample sizes. The figures may not add up to 100 percent because of rounding.Source: New York Times/Siena College polls of 3,662 registered voters conducted Oct. 22 to Nov. 3 in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and WisconsinBy The New York Times The demographics of Mr. Biden’s 2020 supporters may explain part of his challenge now: They were on balance younger, had lower incomes and were more racially diverse than Mr. Trump’s. Those groups tend to be hit hardest by inflation, which has yet to return to 2020 levels, and high interest rates, which have frustrated first-time home buyers and drained the finances of those dependent on credit. But if the election were held today, and the options were Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump, it’s not clear whether voter perceptions of the economy would tip the balance. “The last midterm was an abortion election,” said Joshua Doss, an analyst at the public opinion research firm HIT Strategies, referring to the 2022 voting that followed the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling. “Most of the time, elections are about ‘it’s the economy, stupid.’ Republicans lost that because of Roe. So we’re definitely in uncharted territory.” There are things working in Mr. Biden’s favor. First, Mr. Doss said, the economic programs enacted under the Biden administration remain broadly popular, providing a political foundation for Mr. Biden to build on. And second, social issues — which lifted the Democrats in the midterms — remain a prominent concern. ********* "Majority of the left here? Not true." Yep, they don't back you up save for a few who also pretend...nothing more. So you've got a board that's 2 to 1 lefty still not supporting your spin. "You want to believe something, believe election results. That’s the best test of how people feel about the current Democratic administration." Nope..it was a backlash to the abortion issue and without Biden on the ticket. Biden has record voter remorse. So we have both polls and economic data proving the Biden economy sucks both in reality and perception. What else have you got? And the election results show people are content." No, its at pre-pandemic levels. Again with the polls. I don’t care about the polls. They have been very inaccurate for years. The leftist are not going against me either. Maybe they are just not interested in talking about it. It’s not just the 2022 midterms. All 2023 has been good for Democrats. Economic data shows the economy is good. I’ve got the truth. The economy is good and Democrats keep doing well in election after election. Enjoy the Biden Prosperity! Most Americans are. "No, its at pre-pandemic levels." Except for home ownership rates, poverty levels, consumer confidence, inflation, buying power, LPR, savings, investment performance (avg family lost 1/.3 of their value). Other than that... sure. : ) "Again with the polls. I don’t care about the polls. They have been very inaccurate for years." So... I should believe one random person on the internet instead of a series of polls further cementing my contention even among Democrats? You need to provide the stronger argument and not just saying you don't believe the stats or your own people. "The leftist are not going against me either. Maybe they are just not interested in talking about it." Nope.. 14% overall say they're better off and even the article stated the majority acknowledge its worse off now. "It’s not just the 2022 midterms. All 2023 has been good for Democrats." And Biden is on the ticket........where? And nope... some states/regions are turning red. The Democrats pulled funding for Georgia, they'll losing a lot of enthusiasm in the black community which was vita for 2020. They're losing a lot of the youth vote and even the failed bribe for student debt isn't getting them back. "Economic data shows the economy is good." It shows in improvement from abysmal to not quite as abysmal and far from the prepandemic levels. "I’ve got the truth. The economy is good and Democrats keep doing well in election after election." Close. You've got your spin which is mostly devoid of truth and hope enough people accept that spin so that Biden can win. "Enjoy the Biden Prosperity! Most Americans are." Yup..14%... the rest are worse off.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 19:08:36 GMT
Wrong. I already said I don't think Current President has had a major impact on my financial situation one way or another. The 14% is just based on people's feelings, which is relevant for polls but also people's feelings can be completely stupid. If Trump wins then people's feelings about the economy will be instantly reversed because that's how these things tend to go. Right. People "feel" based upon their experiences (among other things). To what degree Biden's policies hurt/helped the economy is immaterial regarding if people are better off or not. While its true feelings are not the defining factor... it does still become a stronger argument when one weighs the objective economic data. Some will undoubtedly feel better because its their guy... but since even Democrats agree that economy was better pre-Biden, its difficult to argue with the fact the 14% holds merit. Glad you are better off. I admit... I am doing well.. I made sure to sell my stocks because I knew they'd tank with Biden. Buying up cheap netted me an additional 30%. I am glad you are doing better. I am doing better, as well. So are many people I know. We are living in good times.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 19:09:35 GMT
Hmm, what happened in the final year of Trumps term? And yes, things are improving, but as it has been pointed out. If you start with $1000 and lose $500. Having $510 is an improvement on the $500. Hope that was simple enough for you. Trump mishandled the Covid pandemic. That’s why the economy tanked. Rome wasn’t built in one day. And the recovery has been much better than what you are saying. Still, no reason to change Presidents. Nope..it was the Democratic shutdowns that stifled the economy. Most of those were so strict, judges had to strike down their measures as Unconstitutional. In short, the Democrats hurt their citizens so they could win an election and cost the US economy (and the people) trillions. Since the majority sees it, time will tell if they want the people who caused it to remain in office or not.
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Dec 3, 2023 19:09:51 GMT
Right. People "feel" based upon their experiences (among other things). To what degree Biden's policies hurt/helped the economy is immaterial regarding if people are better off or not. While its true feelings are not the defining factor... it does still become a stronger argument when one weighs the objective economic data. Some will undoubtedly feel better because its their guy... but since even Democrats agree that economy was better pre-Biden, its difficult to argue with the fact the 14% holds merit. Glad you are better off. I admit... I am doing well.. I made sure to sell my stocks because I knew they'd tank with Biden. Buying up cheap netted me an additional 30%. I am glad you are doing better. I am doing better, as well. So are many people I know. We are living in good times. Yup.. we're the 14%. Better than Paul, I assure you.
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Post by Boricanator on Dec 3, 2023 19:15:39 GMT
No, its at pre-pandemic levels. Again with the polls. I don’t care about the polls. They have been very inaccurate for years. The leftist are not going against me either. Maybe they are just not interested in talking about it. It’s not just the 2022 midterms. All 2023 has been good for Democrats. Economic data shows the economy is good. I’ve got the truth. The economy is good and Democrats keep doing well in election after election. Enjoy the Biden Prosperity! Most Americans are. "No, its at pre-pandemic levels." Except for home ownership rates, poverty levels, consumer confidence, inflation, buying power, LPR, savings, investment performance (avg family lost 1/.3 of their value). Other than that... sure. : ) "Again with the polls. I don’t care about the polls. They have been very inaccurate for years." So... I should believe one random person on the internet instead of a series of polls further cementing my contention even among Democrats? You need to provide the stronger argument and not just saying you don't believe the stats or your own people. "The leftist are not going against me either. Maybe they are just not interested in talking about it." Nope.. 14% overall say they're better off and even the article stated the majority acknowledge its worse off now. "It’s not just the 2022 midterms. All 2023 has been good for Democrats." And Biden is on the ticket........where? And nope... some states/regions are turning red. The Democrats pulled funding for Georgia, they'll losing a lot of enthusiasm in the black community which was vita for 2020. They're losing a lot of the youth vote and even the failed bribe for student debt isn't getting them back. "Economic data shows the economy is good." It shows in improvement from abysmal to not quite as abysmal and far from the prepandemic levels. "I’ve got the truth. The economy is good and Democrats keep doing well in election after election." Close. You've got your spin which is mostly devoid of truth and hope enough people accept that spin so that Biden can win. "Enjoy the Biden Prosperity! Most Americans are." Yup..14%... the rest are worse off. The economy is good and many metrics are at pre-pandemic levels. Including many you mentioned. You want to believe polls when they have been very wrong? Go ahead. Regions are turning purple or blue. Not red. Blacks continue to support Democrats. They did it in 2020, 2022 and continue to do so this year. Forget the polls. Election results are what matters. It doesn’t matter Biden is not on the ballot. It’s all about the brand and Democrats have increasing support.
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Post by uncreative on Dec 3, 2023 19:18:57 GMT
Wrong. I already said I don't think Current President has had a major impact on my financial situation one way or another. The 14% is just based on people's feelings, which is relevant for polls but also people's feelings can be completely stupid. If Trump wins then people's feelings about the economy will be instantly reversed because that's how these things tend to go. Right. People "feel" based upon their experiences (among other things). To what degree Biden's policies hurt/helped the economy is immaterial regarding if people are better off or not. While its true feelings are not the defining factor... it does still become a stronger argument when one weighs the objective economic data. Some will undoubtedly feel better because its their guy... but since even Democrats agree that economy was better pre-Biden, its difficult to argue with the fact the 14% holds merit. Glad you are better off. I admit... I am doing well.. I made sure to sell my stocks because I knew they'd tank with Biden. Buying up cheap netted me an additional 30%. The stock dipped for about a year but they're back higher then ever now. Historically it's had better returns under democrats than Republicans. Not that the stock market is a great indicator of anything either. Even though the previous guy wouldn't stop bragging about it every time he thought it made him look good. Since 2010 or so it's basically been one long boom period interrupted by a maybe once in a lifetime pandemic. Obama had an easy win after Bush watched the economy tank because of deregulations that Clinton signed because he wanted to work with Republicans. Trump rode the momentum as far as he could and Biden picked up right where things left off because the vaccines were getting people's lives back to normal. It doesn't mean that all the growth is coming in the right places and neither party in their current state is likely to fix that problem. The best they can do is tinker around the edges unless we get another Teddy Roosevelt trust buster to undo the last 50ish years of steady monopolizing and unions start making a comeback. Even then it would take 10-20 years before things settle into a happy place.
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Post by mrellaguru on Dec 3, 2023 19:19:43 GMT
DO you have a good economy? How are real wages Vs 2018? The spending power of Americans has fallen for two years, so you can bang on about GDP and job creation all you want, but people have less money in their pockets and thats what they vote on. Wages vs inflation is paltry here in the US compared to 2020. Our poverty rates are way up. Our border is in shambles. Less people here are homeowners. People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden. LPR is down as is consumer confidence. There's a host of many more reasons but trust me... everyone here knows the economy is bad... its just that not everyone can admit it.
Of course. Global inflation resulting from the pandemic and supply chain issues is all Biden's fault and magically wouldn't have occurred had Trump gotten a second term.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 3, 2023 19:29:30 GMT
Hmm, what happened in the final year of Trumps term? And yes, things are improving, but as it has been pointed out. If you start with $1000 and lose $500. Having $510 is an improvement on the $500. Hope that was simple enough for you. Trump mishandled the Covid pandemic. That’s why the economy tanked. Rome wasn’t built in one day. And the recovery has been much better than what you are saying. Still, no reason to change Presidents. Which economy did well during the pandemic?
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 3, 2023 19:29:53 GMT
Wages vs inflation is paltry here in the US compared to 2020. Our poverty rates are way up. Our border is in shambles. Less people here are homeowners. People are borrowing against their investments/property because they can't afford their bills under Biden. LPR is down as is consumer confidence. There's a host of many more reasons but trust me... everyone here knows the economy is bad... its just that not everyone can admit it.
Of course. Global inflation resulting from the pandemic and supply chain issues is all Biden's fault and magically wouldn't have occurred had Trump gotten a second term.
Who said that?
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