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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 7:58:25 GMT
Yes, yes Hamas. Whatever man. Point is, they are in charge over there. Unfortunately, a lot of innocents always suffer in any war But you don't sound "centrist". You side with right wing Likud's bombing of Gaza. Centrists want a ceasefire. Where did I say I sided with it? It's a war. War continues? Or Ceasefire happens? It's up to them. Also last time I checked Hamas arent victims. They started this crap... |
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 8:01:33 GMT
Prince Myshkin is a mega-moron. The Likud party isn’t bombing Gaza. Israel has a unity government of lefties and righties that was formed after Oct 7.
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 12, 2023 8:09:02 GMT
And?
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 12, 2023 8:11:47 GMT
But you don't sound "centrist". You side with right wing Likud's bombing of Gaza. Centrists want a ceasefire. Where did I say I sided with it? It's a war. War continues? Or Ceasefire happens? It's up to them. Also last time I checked Hamas arent victims. They started this crap... You said Gazans brought this on themselves. No they didn't. Israel put them in refugee camps and this conflict didn't start on October 7th.
Again, I'm tired of arguing this war. I just wanted to post the original plan for Greater Israel.
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Post by papamihel on Dec 12, 2023 8:11:59 GMT
No one "reveres" him. He was a political activist, not a religious leader. His goal was "Greater Israel". OK. He also offered Uganda as a possible spot for the national Jewish state. So? Not at all. He was a great man who revitalized the idea of Zionism and turned it from a mostly religious abstraction into a social\political movement which eventually managed to get us a home. Kids learn about his life at school, there is a city named after him and a bunch of streets. Doesn't mean his ideas and\or fantasies have any relevance in modern Israel society. I mean, there are probably more people (maybe even a hundred) "working" to build The Herald Erjen 's Third Temple than there are folks taking the idea of the "Greater Israel" seriously. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 12, 2023 8:16:01 GMT
His goal was "Greater Israel". OK. He also offered Uganda as a possible spot for the national Jewish state. So? Not at all. He was a great man who revitalized the idea of Zionism and turned it from a mostly religious abstraction into a social\political movement which eventually managed to get us a home. Kids learn about his life at school, there is a city named after him and a bunch of streets. Doesn't mean his ideas and\or fantasies have any relevance in modern Israel society. I mean, there are probably more people (maybe even a hundred) "working" to build The Herald Erjen 's Third Temple than there are folks taking the idea of the "Greater Israel" seriously. Uh, that's not a map of Uganda. That's Herzl's proposal. What did you say? "Mwahahahaha"? So you were mocking Herzl, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 8:16:16 GMT
Where did I say I sided with it? It's a war. War continues? Or Ceasefire happens? It's up to them. Also last time I checked Hamas arent victims. They started this crap... You said Gazans brought this on themselves. No they didn't. Israel put them in Gaza camps and this conflict didn't start on October 7th.
Again, I'm tired of arguing this war. I just wanted to post the original plan for Greater Israel.
Yeah and I clarified it...however, it really doesnt matter as I said before Hamas is in charge. The rest of the population dont have a say |
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Post by papamihel on Dec 12, 2023 8:22:10 GMT
OK. He also offered Uganda as a possible spot for the national Jewish state. So? Not at all. He was a great man who revitalized the idea of Zionism and turned it from a mostly religious abstraction into a social\political movement which eventually managed to get us a home. Kids learn about his life at school, there is a city named after him and a bunch of streets. Doesn't mean his ideas and\or fantasies have any relevance in modern Israel society. I mean, there are probably more people (maybe even a hundred) "working" to build The Herald Erjen 's Third Temple than there are folks taking the idea of the "Greater Israel" seriously. Uh, that's not a map of Uganda. That's Herzl's proposal. What did you say? "Mwahahahaha"? So you were mocking Herzl, right? No, man, I was mocking you and your rather feeble attempt to present my country as a totalitarian empire filled with zealots dreaming of conquests and domination. Israel doesn't have a "goal". "Israel" is a web of many-many conflicting interests and no government represents enough of these to make a drastic change. And even if there was such a government - we are an American vassal state, and ultimately the US sets the framework of almost everything Israel does. |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Dec 12, 2023 12:11:50 GMT
Uh, that's not a map of Uganda. That's Herzl's proposal. What did you say? "Mwahahahaha"? So you were mocking Herzl, right? No, man, I was mocking you and your rather feeble attempt to present my country as a totalitarian empire filled with zealots dreaming of conquests and domination. Israel doesn't have a "goal". "Israel" is a web of many-many conflicting interests and no government represents enough of these to make a drastic change. And even if there was such a government - we are an American vassal state, and ultimately the US sets the framework of almost everything Israel does. Good way to excuse the ongoing treatment of Palestinians of which the latest iteration ultimately is due to 18 years of oppression . Last week it was that they brought it on themselves by electing Hamas. This week the brutality and bloodshed isnt our fault, it is Americas. |
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 12:18:59 GMT
The Gazans are oppressed by Hamas.
These civilians don’t order weapons from Iran so the blockade hasn’t affected them.
Plenty of food and everything else made it in.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 12, 2023 12:31:33 GMT
Lol. In two months they've killed 14 thousand plus Palestinians in Gaza. What are you on about? It was just a joke. Im centrist when it comes to this conflict. I dont agree with how the Israelis are engaging with the Gaza inhabitants but they brought it upon themselves To be technical "they" didn't, not one region in Gaza voted a majority for Hamas. Not that anyone every brings death and destruction upon themselves, they accept awful leaders because they have little real choice as in Iran and many other places. |
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 12:39:56 GMT
It was just a joke. Im centrist when it comes to this conflict. I dont agree with how the Israelis are engaging with the Gaza inhabitants but they brought it upon themselves To be technical "they" didn't, not one region in Gaza voted a majority for Hamas. Not that anyone every brings death and destruction upon themselves, they accept awful leaders because they have little real choice as in Iran and many other places. Hamas won the 2006 elections by getting the most votes from the Gazans.
They got the largest number of votes out of all the candidates that ran.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 12, 2023 13:47:21 GMT
To be technical "they" didn't, not one region in Gaza voted a majority for Hamas. Not that anyone every brings death and destruction upon themselves, they accept awful leaders because they have little real choice as in Iran and many other places. Hamas won the 2006 elections by getting the most votes from the Gazans.
They got the largest number of votes out of all the candidates that ran.
They didn't get a majority in any region, correct or not? |
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Post by papamihel on Dec 12, 2023 13:58:44 GMT
No, man, I was mocking you and your rather feeble attempt to present my country as a totalitarian empire filled with zealots dreaming of conquests and domination. Israel doesn't have a "goal". "Israel" is a web of many-many conflicting interests and no government represents enough of these to make a drastic change. And even if there was such a government - we are an American vassal state, and ultimately the US sets the framework of almost everything Israel does. Good way to excuse the ongoing treatment of Palestinians of which the latest iteration ultimately is due to 18 years of oppression . Last week it was that they brought it on themselves by electing Hamas. This week the brutality and bloodshed isnt our fault, it is Americas. Listen, man, I really like you so I'm not going to argue with you about this. One thing you might consider though. Social\economic classes conflicts only apply developed cultures. Take one backward enough and there is no "struggle against oppression" or "national liberation" - just pure barbarism and hatred born of resentment and envy. |
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 14:01:58 GMT
Good way to excuse the ongoing treatment of Palestinians of which the latest iteration ultimately is due to 18 years of oppression . Last week it was that they brought it on themselves by electing Hamas. This week the brutality and bloodshed isnt our fault, it is Americas. Listen, man, I really like you so I'm not going to argue with you about this. One thing you might consider though. Social\economic classes conflicts only apply developed cultures. Take one backward enough and there is no "struggle against oppression" or "national liberation" - just pure barbarism and hatred born of resentment and envy. This is how the "Palestinian" leadership has screwed their people over needlessly during the last 75 years.
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