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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 12, 2023 14:41:39 GMT
I mean, there are probably more people (maybe even a hundred) "working" to build The Herald Erjen 's Third Temple than there are folks taking the idea of the "Greater Israel" seriously. I was afraid you might do this. I wasn't looking forward to being tagged on one of this individual's threads, but hey, you didn't know, and I'm not mad at you. Calling it my Third Temple rather implies that I want it. I don't. I hate it. I don't talk about it anymore, unless someone asks. And even then, I no longer get into long conversations about it. The time for that has passed, but I would like to say that there are way more than a hundred people working on it. A project like this takes a lot of money, and everyone around the world who blindly donated to its building can be counted on as "working." As for Greater Israel, I've known about it for years, and I don't see it as even remotely vital for the achievement of a worldwide Globalist system. It's that thirty-five acres on top of the Temple Mount that counts, and Israel lets the world think the Arabs control it, but the control is nominal. |
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 12, 2023 14:58:38 GMT
Heh... I prefer greater Italy: :no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/assets/4822044/RomanEmpire_117.svg.png) |
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Post by papamihel on Dec 12, 2023 15:05:46 GMT
I mean, there are probably more people (maybe even a hundred) "working" to build The Herald Erjen 's Third Temple than there are folks taking the idea of the "Greater Israel" seriously. I was afraid you might do this. I wasn't looking forward to being tagged on one of this individual's threads, but hey, you didn't know, and I'm not mad at you. Calling it my Third Temple rather implies that I want it. I don't. I hate it. I don't talk about it anymore, unless someone asks. And even then, I no longer get into long conversations about it. The time for that has passed, but I would like to say that there are way more than a hundred people working on it. A project like this takes a lot of money, and everyone around the world who blindly donated to its building can be counted on as "working." As for Greater Israel, I've known about it for years, and I don't see it as even remotely vital for the achievement of a worldwide Globalist system. It's that thirty-five acres on top of the Temple Mount that counts, and Israel lets the world think the Arabs control it, but the control is nominal. Sorry. I couldn't help myself. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 12, 2023 19:18:01 GMT
Uh, that's not a map of Uganda. That's Herzl's proposal. What did you say? "Mwahahahaha"? So you were mocking Herzl, right? No, man, I was mocking you and your rather feeble attempt to present my country as a totalitarian empire filled with zealots dreaming of conquests and domination. Israel doesn't have a "goal". "Israel" is a web of many-many conflicting interests and no government represents enough of these to make a drastic change. And even if there was such a government - we are an American vassal state, and ultimately the US sets the framework of almost everything Israel does. I'm not trying present Israel as anything. I love maps. And I ran across that. And I found it intriguing.
And I'll say for the millionth time - I support Israel's right to exist, now, in 2023, since it's 80 years old.
You say Herzl initially wanted Israel in Uganda. And what would we be dealing with now if the indigenous Africans had been moved out of Uganda to make way for immigrant Jews? We'd have the same conflict we now have with the Palestinians.
Bottom line, Israel needs to make a fair land settlement with the Palestinians. Herding 2 million people into Gaza refugee camps was not the solution. We see now what that led to. And bombing and killing innocent civilians in Gaza is not the solution either.
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 19:20:31 GMT
The UN and the Arab world have kept the “Palestinians” in refugee camps for 75 years.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 12, 2023 19:22:36 GMT
Hamas won the 2006 elections by getting the most votes from the Gazans.
They got the largest number of votes out of all the candidates that ran.
They didn't get a majority in any region, correct or not? And 2006 was 17 years ago and there hasn't been an election since. To say the civilians in Gaza are responsible for Hamas's actions on October 7th is ridiculous. Israel is taking its revenge on the wrong people. |
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 19:28:22 GMT
Israel is fighting against Hamas ONLY.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 12, 2023 20:02:32 GMT
Israel is fighting against Hamas ONLY. Yet they are slaughtering thousands of innocent men women and children. |
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Post by SciFive on Dec 12, 2023 20:04:51 GMT
Israel is fighting against Hamas ONLY. Yet they are slaughtering thousands of innocent men women and children. Their blood is on your hands. Israel asked them to evacuate all along. The haters want the Gazans dead as a weapon against Israel. Israel has to fight Hamas anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 21:54:28 GMT
Heh... I prefer greater Italy: I live in Greater London and we achieved that without having to spill much blood. |
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Post by marsatax on Dec 13, 2023 2:37:37 GMT
This is interesting. 
You show me evidence that that is what Herzl called for. Otherwise, it is rubbish. |
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Post by marsatax on Dec 13, 2023 2:43:50 GMT
Where did I say I sided with it? It's a war. War continues? Or Ceasefire happens? It's up to them. Also last time I checked Hamas arent victims. They started this crap... You said Gazans brought this on themselves. No they didn't. Israel put them in refugee camps and this conflict didn't start on October 7th.
Again, I'm tired of arguing this war. I just wanted to post the original plan for Greater Israel.
Israel tried to move Palestinians FROM refugee camps into permanent housing. The UN actually condemned Israel for this, and the Israelis had to back off: The General Assembly, 1. Calls once more upon Israel to desist from removal and resettlement of Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip and from destruction of their shelters; 2. Requests the Secretary-General, after consulting with the Commissioner-General of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, to report to the General Assembly by the opening of the thirty-fifth session on Israel's compliance with paragraph 1 above. My Translation: 1. Palestinians must remain in refugee camps [their "shelters"] until the conflict is completely resolved. Any attempt to improve the lives of Palestinians by providing them with permanent housing is a ruse to keep the Palestinians from returning to the land Israel "stole." Palestinians must continue to suffer as refugees, as a weapon against Israel. 2. UNRWA is assigned to make sure Israel returns all Palestinians to their refugee camps, and stops attempting to give them permanent housing. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 13, 2023 2:48:49 GMT
This is interesting.
You show me evidence that that is what Herzl called for. Otherwise, it is rubbish. Google it. It's allover the internet. papamihel, an Israeli, said first Herzl wanted it in Uganda. Uganda? So much for God giving you Palestine.
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Post by marsatax on Dec 13, 2023 2:59:08 GMT
The concept of a “Greater Israel”, according to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, is a Jewish State stretching “from the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.”
You show me evidence that that is what Herzl called for. Otherwise, it is rubbish. Google it. It's allover the internet. papamihel , an Israeli, said first Herzl wanted it in Uganda. Uganda? So much for God giving you Palestine.
I don't see any authoritative sources there. In the Wikipedia article on "Greater Israel", Herzl is not even mentioned, and your map does not appear. I believe that map was created by one of the Arab countries, or perhaps by the Soviets, in order to make it seem like Israel is inherently expansionist. In other words, it is a lie. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 13, 2023 3:03:16 GMT
Google it. It's allover the internet. papamihel , an Israeli, said first Herzl wanted it in Uganda. Uganda? So much for God giving you Palestine.
I don't see any authoritative sources there. In the Wikipedia article on "Greater Israel", Herzl is not even mentioned, and your map does not appear. I believe that map was created by one of the Arab countries, or perhaps by the Soviets, in order to make it seem like Israel is inherently expansionist. In other words, it is a lie. Herzl wanted Uganda. Why not the Nile? No, I do not believe Israel has any serious goal of conquering a "Greater Israel" as in that map. The point is to show the arbitrary nature of Israel's claim that God gave them that land. |
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