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Post by abbey1227 on Dec 20, 2023 4:57:18 GMT
Just playing devil's advocate..........
You must have earned quite a pension plan by now.
I told you I'd save you a seat.............
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Post by merh on Dec 20, 2023 5:08:36 GMT
I don't even want to know that, it is none of my business. That said, the idea most people don't have any or little regret after receiving an abortion, we'll just have to agree to disagree. They've done plenty of surveys over the years. Obviously any individual person will handle it differently but the overall trend is very clear. This is just the first one that comes up in Google www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6386241/So it sounds like most people immediately know what they want and have no regrets, except maybe about the decisions or circumstances that got them in their situation in the first place. My experience with people I have known is most gals believe the abortion they had was a good decision. The gals I've seen regretting it seem more woulda/coulda/shoulda. Their life doesn't go the way they wanted so at a later point in life they believe having a child would somehow improve their lives. If only they had had the baby, their life would be better now. If only one had taken this job instead if that job, one's life would be better now. Woulda/coulda/shoulda. My parents did it in their retirement. If only dad had waited out the railroad strike instead of getting that dairy job, he wouldn't have been injured & they would have had a railroad pension to live off... Don't look back. Its just a waste of time. Reminisce is OK. But looking backwards trying to rewrite the present is a waste.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 9:20:42 GMT
If I had not had that abortion, Iβm pretty sure there would have been no Fleetwood Mac - Stevie Nicks She's wrong as they'd existed as a great blues band for years before she turned up. If she were right though it would almost make me change my mind on abortion.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 9:22:19 GMT
My wife and I chose a termination when she fell accidentally pregnant, we did the sensible logical thing, we couldnt afford to proceed with a second child due to housing reasons at the time and didnt want to fall into a cycle of benefits dependency it would have been very difficult to escape. It was a tough choice and agonised over, but it was the right one and I am proud we took it. We have never regretted it and luckily we live in a sane country where adults get to make adult decisions without the State dictating what they can or cant do with their own bodies. Why the US has decided to let religion take precedence over people's freedoms is something that wont end well. You do know itβs up to the states though, right? Abortion is legal in half the country. Hard to see why such an inherent piece of legislation to protect the right to bodily autonomy isn't a country wide ruling.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 9:23:40 GMT
I doubt more than 1 in a hundred thousand do, it's just that campaigners will always find that individual and try to make out that it's something more than a ridiculously extreme position which is where all these nonsense threads are born from. BOOM You got American politics. We are ruled by both extremes. Welcome to america! It's the complete lack of ability to debate that I think baffles outsiders. (I know that's a generalisation but it's certainly mainly true.)
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 9:25:05 GMT
If someone here takes the time and makes the effort to share a tough life story, just say you're sorry for their loss and move on. Do not be a fucking waffle just to kick someone while their down. So here's a story. My mom had 2 abortions. 1. She was raped The other was complicated She was pregnant, with a girl. It was premature. She got pregnant again, and couldn't go through with it. Trauma and shit. I know it haunted her. These things have life long consequences and then some fuckwit comes along and calls you a "murderer".
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 9:28:34 GMT
Can you point out where I said itβs okay?
This is how extreme they are on the topic. They completely miss that you can be pro-choice.......AND also acknowledge that the State's are deciding for themselves.
If so many of the pot people weren't so laid back, we'd likely hear similar complaints about all the States that have yet to 'legalize' it.
How was it seen as a constitutional issue for half a Century and then you get a bunch of far right wing Conservative Judges who decide it isn't? Almost impossible to believe they aren't throwing something that has been upheld rigorously, out for religious and political reasons rather than legal ones. America needs non political appointee Judges who make rulings based on the law rather than on their own political beliefs which have no place in the Judicial system.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 9:34:31 GMT
You know, you make a decision to post something on here, some actual real world experience and then you forget, you are doing it on the American board. not all Americans are troglodytes. IIRC - winter also said some pretty nasty things to another poster that opened up about her experiences on v2. Deciced to put the fuckwit on "ignore", never used to do it, but I'm too old now for the extreme arseholes. I vaguely remember him getting kicked off another board for being a twat too. Some posters just like to stir up hate in place of having a life.
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Post by abbey1227 on Dec 20, 2023 9:59:45 GMT
How was it seen as a constitutional issue for half a Century and then you get a bunch of far right wing Conservative Judges who decide it isn't? Almost impossible to believe they aren't throwing something that has been upheld rigorously, out for religious and political reasons rather than legal ones. America needs non political appointee Judges who make rulings based on the law rather than on their own political beliefs which have no place in the Judicial system.
I'd take it to an even more basic principle.........NONE of your actual rights require someone else doing something for you or paying for it.
Life, liberty and the pursuit.........That's it.
Now some of you will try to heap on all medical services required to keep you alive......that's BS. Especially with the costs inside this country now.
Liberty, you're free to do whatever you wanna do, just do not directly harm anyone else in the process. So many are quick to love on laws that become pre-crime to prevent harm, absolute nonsense.
Pursuit your happiness and dreams however you'd like....... just foot the bills. No more college loan forgiveness, though. Along with a ton of other handouts to be scrapped.
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Post by π₯₯ π΄ Molly π₯₯ π΄ on Dec 20, 2023 11:41:50 GMT
This is my entire issue. They can't debate this issue at all. They went too far. "I'm proud of my abortion." WHAT!? So, the other side goes nuts. So now the 2 fringe sides lead the argument, and the leaners and independents are left scratching their heads... Wondering what the fuck happened to this country. π» One side went too far by banning it even for nonviable miscarriages.
The other side went "too far" by saying abortion instead of abortion rights???
Holy shit, the right has the freedom to do anything, because you'll just say the other side sneezed.
Yup!
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 20, 2023 12:09:35 GMT
You realize that contraception is not 100%, right? If a woman on oral contraceptives falls ill or takes antibiotics, this can result in the pill not being absorbed in their system or reduce effectiveness. I canβt believe I have to educate you people on this in 2023. Keep your pants on during sex you idiot. You have sex with your pants on?
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 20, 2023 12:12:01 GMT
Oh, there you go! You are aware of the 100% success rate method for not getting pregnant! I'm not. There is an entire religion that is based on the idea that abstinence is not 100% effective.
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Post by π₯₯ π΄ Molly π₯₯ π΄ on Dec 20, 2023 12:17:33 GMT
Keep your pants on during sex you idiot. You have sex with your pants on? He probably does.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Dec 20, 2023 12:18:34 GMT
Keep your pants on during sex you idiot. You have sex with your pants on? I have. In a car park.
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Post by winterssuicide on Dec 20, 2023 13:34:59 GMT
Oh, there you go! You are aware of the 100% success rate method for not getting pregnant! I'm not. There is an entire religion that is based on the idea that abstinence is not 100% effective. I don't think it's quite that simple. I know folks don't like to dwell on the "how," but there was a "how" that took place.
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