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Post by lunda2222 on Dec 20, 2023 14:55:58 GMT
My wife and I chose a termination when she fell accidentally pregnant, we did the sensible logical thing, we couldnt afford to proceed with a second child due to housing reasons at the time and didnt want to fall into a cycle of benefits dependency it would have been very difficult to escape. It was a tough choice and agonised over, but it was the right one and I am proud we took it. We have never regretted it and luckily we live in a sane country where adults get to make adult decisions without the State dictating what they can or cant do with their own bodies. Why the US has decided to let religion take precedence over people's freedoms is something that wont end well. You knew you weren't having another child yet you completely failed to "make the adult decision" to take responsibility for your reproductive situation? Did you just keep having abortions for the next couple of decades every few months, you know, like adults? Honestly, there is something very wrong with any society where it costs $18,865 on average to give birth.
If you want to minimize the number of abortiona, you'd see better results fighting those prices rather than fighting abortion outright.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 16:03:20 GMT
You knew you weren't having another child yet you completely failed to "make the adult decision" to take responsibility for your reproductive situation? Did you just keep having abortions for the next couple of decades every few months, you know, like adults? Honestly, there is something very wrong with any society where it costs $18,865 on average to give birth.
If you want to minimize the number of abortiona, you'd see better results fighting those prices rather than fighting abortion outright.
Is that what it costs with your health care system?
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Post by lunda2222 on Dec 20, 2023 16:15:09 GMT
Honestly, there is something very wrong with any society where it costs $18,865 on average to give birth.
If you want to minimize the number of abortiona, you'd see better results fighting those prices rather than fighting abortion outright.
Is that what it costs with your health care system? No, we have Universal Healthcare here in Norway. It's free here and 12 months paid maternity leave in addition.
This is the average costs in the US.
But the US has twice the number of abortions (per capita) as well.
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Post by π₯₯ π΄ Molly π₯₯ π΄ on Dec 20, 2023 16:38:54 GMT
Is that what it costs with your health care system? No, we have Universal Healthcare here in Norway. It's free here andΒ 12 months paid maternity leave in addition.
This is the average costs in the US.
But the US has twice the number of abortions (per capita) as well.
Correct. Very few jobs offer paid maternity leave, and none for 12 months. We have something called FMLA, but that isnβt necessarily paid. It just means they canβt fire you for being ill or pregnant. If you work an hourly job, forget. No time off, no paid time off, if Obamacare didnβt exist they probably wouldnβt even have any insurance at all.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 16:48:19 GMT
Is that what it costs with your health care system? No, we have Universal Healthcare here in Norway. It's free here and 12 months paid maternity leave in addition.
This is the average costs in the US.
But the US has twice the number of abortions (per capita) as well.
Sorry, thought you were referring to it as if you were American. Crazy their system.
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Post by gwyn on Dec 20, 2023 16:51:18 GMT
You knew you weren't having another child yet you completely failed to "make the adult decision" to take responsibility for your reproductive situation? Did you just keep having abortions for the next couple of decades every few months, you know, like adults? terminating a clump of cells after an accidental pregnancy isn't really a big deal in most non God obsessed countries, but no, as I said, it was a one off and a tough decision but the right one. Thank you for your caring response though, it perfectly pin points the kind of "adult" that you are. You yourself say "clump of cells". What "caring response" do you want? So in your supremely adult and civilized land you can do whatever you want to your bodies because Britain is not "God obsessed". Got it. You could go full Banshees of Inisherin on yourself in advance of your next visit to an NHS doctor and that'd be all cool, right? You could walk out of there, a free man, waving your finger stumps proudly, is what you're saying. And you must have medically assisted suicide in your superior nation as, well. It's not like in Britain your government would dare interfere with what you care to do with your bodies because you're so evolved and unreligious. Oh wait... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 20, 2023 17:08:05 GMT
terminating a clump of cells after an accidental pregnancy isn't really a big deal in most non God obsessed countries, but no, as I said, it was a one off and a tough decision but the right one. Thank you for your caring response though, it perfectly pin points the kind of "adult" that you are. You yourself say "clump of cells". What "caring response" do you want? So in your supremely adult and civilized land you can do whatever you want to your bodies because Britain is not "God obsessed". Got it. You could go full Banshees of Inisherin on yourself in advance of your next visit to an NHS doctor and that'd be all cool, right? You could walk out of there, a free man, waving your finger stumps proudly, is what you're saying. And you must have medically assisted suicide in your superior nation as, well. It's not like in Britain your government would dare interfere with what you care to do with your bodies because you're so evolved and unreligious. Oh wait... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United_Kingdomi honestly have no idea what you are going on about. Waving stumps? Did it make more sense before you typed it? Anyway, yet another onto the ignore list.
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Post by gwyn on Dec 20, 2023 17:09:11 GMT
You knew you weren't having another child yet you completely failed to "make the adult decision" to take responsibility for your reproductive situation? Did you just keep having abortions for the next couple of decades every few months, you know, like adults? Rude, accidents happen. From him: "luckily we live in a sane country where adults get to make adult decisions without the State dictating what they can or cant do with their own bodies." And this person has essentially called me a murderer for having a pulse. You can mind your extreme ignorance on his behavior toward me and mine toward him because that is your business.
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Post by amyghost on Dec 20, 2023 17:12:22 GMT
They have condoms and contraceptives in South London, Ygg. You don't get prizes for having unprotected sex with her knowing your financial situation. You realize that contraception is not 100%, right? If a woman on oral contraceptives falls ill or takes antibiotics, this can result in the pill not being absorbed in their system or reduce effectiveness. I canβt believe I have to educate you people on this in 2023. Thank you. I was on the pill for many years, but it once failed and I became pregnant. I had an abortion because, no, I did not want children--that's why I was on the pill--and also because extremely nasty birth defects can occur with the embryos of such accidental pregnancies. The choice situation is nowhere nearly as cut and dried simple as some anti-advocates try to make it out as being.
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Post by gwyn on Dec 20, 2023 17:14:23 GMT
You yourself say "clump of cells". What "caring response" do you want? So in your supremely adult and civilized land you can do whatever you want to your bodies because Britain is not "God obsessed". Got it. You could go full Banshees of Inisherin on yourself in advance of your next visit to an NHS doctor and that'd be all cool, right? You could walk out of there, a free man, waving your finger stumps proudly, is what you're saying. And you must have medically assisted suicide in your superior nation as, well. It's not like in Britain your government would dare interfere with what you care to do with your bodies because you're so evolved and unreligious. Oh wait... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide_in_the_United_Kingdomi honestly have no idea what you are going on about. Waving stumps? Did it make more sense before you typed it? Anyway, yet another onto the ignore list. I was to assume you're culturally illiterate? Now that would've been rude. In The Banshees of Inisherin, Brendan Gleeson's character cuts his fingers off. So you're saying you'd be able to do that because 'your body, your choice'. And you can't understand in written form what "assisted suicide" means? Well. For a man from such a superior nation to mine, you sure miss a lot.
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Post by gwyn on Dec 20, 2023 17:27:02 GMT
You knew you weren't having another child yet you completely failed to "make the adult decision" to take responsibility for your reproductive situation? Did you just keep having abortions for the next couple of decades every few months, you know, like adults? Honestly, there is something very wrong with any society where it costs $18,865 on average to give birth.
If you want to minimize the number of abortiona, you'd see better results fighting those prices rather than fighting abortion outright.
Yes. Obama's Affordable Healthcare Act really put the nail in the coffin of affordability. I suppose it should've been called Death of Affordability Act. Politicians. They just hate being truthful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 17:41:43 GMT
So here's a story. My mom had 2 abortions. 1. She was raped The other was complicated She was pregnant, with a girl. It was premature. She got pregnant again, and couldn't go through with it. Trauma and shit. I know it haunted her. These things have life long consequences and then some fuckwit comes along and calls you a "murderer". Its not my place to judge what adults do. I don't believe it's murder. I think sometimes people make mistakes. My debate for abortion is simple. I don't believe we are superior to anyone else. Some animals kill and eat their young. So I don't believe humans are superior to anything else. In the end, it's adult stuff. It's between two consenting adults.
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Post by π₯₯ π΄ Molly π₯₯ π΄ on Dec 20, 2023 18:16:35 GMT
Honestly, there is something very wrong with any society where it costs $18,865 on average to give birth.
If you want to minimize the number of abortiona, you'd see better results fighting those prices rather than fighting abortion outright.
Yes. Obama's Affordable Healthcare Act really put the nail in the coffin of affordability. I suppose it should've been called Death of Affordability Act. Politicians. They just hate being truthful. How much did it cost before Obamacare? For people without insurance, of which there were more?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 18:33:05 GMT
BOOM You got American politics. We are ruled by both extremes. Welcome to america! It's the complete lack of ability to debate that I think baffles outsiders. (I know that's a generalisation but it's certainly mainly true.) Because you either gotta be far left or far right. Agree with something Trump did, maga. You disagree with something Biden did, maga. You disagree with something Trump did, you're a left wing lunatic. That's where we are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 18:33:55 GMT
You have sex with your pants on? I have. In a car park. With who and what weapon did you use? I'm trying to solve clue! We know the park. I got a feeling I know the weapon. That leaves....who...
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