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Post by darkramj on Apr 18, 2024 20:03:11 GMT
But my objection to this is the establishment of a FEDERAL ID CARD. That's been my concern for many years, but I've noticed that when you try to talk about it, two things happen. 1) Those on the "Left" prove what compassionate people they are by mocking you and calling you uncomplimentary names. 2) Those on the "Right" pretend like they don't know you. Neither of these things bother me enough to keep my opinions on the matter to myself.
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Post by merh on Apr 18, 2024 20:29:21 GMT
A lot of older people, my folks included, stop driving (or are stopped from driving). What's the point of getting that DL? My parents both stopped renewing their licenses at some point so their IDs were expired. It's still a form of ID though. And just because you're older and don't drive, doesn't mean you won't be asked for ID at the doctor's office for example. Nowadays, yes. But people from my folks' generation? Doctor knew them. They didn't need ID. I had a client who had no birth certificate. Birth was at home written in the family Bible. Mom played with a kid in the 30s called "baby" because the parents never named the kid. Again, no birth certificate. Parents figured the kid could pick his own name out later
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Post by merh on Apr 18, 2024 20:32:08 GMT
But my objection to this is the establishment of a FEDERAL ID CARD. That's been my concern for many years, but I've noticed that when you try to talk about it, two things happen. 1) Those on the "Left" prove what compassionate people they are by mocking you and calling you uncomplimentary names. 2) Those on the "Right" pretend like they don't know you. Doesn't it feel a bit like the Number of the Beast? Everyone has a number/mark by which they can do business?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 18, 2024 20:40:27 GMT
That's been my concern for many years, but I've noticed that when you try to talk about it, two things happen. 1) Those on the "Left" prove what compassionate people they are by mocking you and calling you uncomplimentary names. 2) Those on the "Right" pretend like they don't know you. Doesn't it feel a bit like the Number of the Beast? Everyone has a number/mark by which they can do business? Indeed, it does.
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Post by drystyx on Apr 18, 2024 20:46:44 GMT
I don't understand any of this. I've lived and voted in dozens of different places, and I've always had to show an ID. Are there people who don't have to show ID to vote? I've never seen that happen. I've never really looked, but does it happen? I can't figure it happening, because I've always been told to show ID, and why would anyone get special treatment on that, since there's absolutely no way to know how any person would vote?
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Post by Isapop on Apr 18, 2024 20:51:15 GMT
I don't understand any of this. I've lived and voted in dozens of different places, and I've always had to show an ID. Are there people who don't have to show ID to vote? I've never seen that happen. I've never really looked, but does it happen? I can't figure it happening, because I've always been told to show ID, and why would anyone get special treatment on that, since there's absolutely no way to know how any person would vote? "The bill is not about needing an I.D. An I.D. (driver's license, student, military, SS card, etc.) is not sufficient. The bill requires documentary proof of citizenship. In almost all cases, that means either birth certificate or passport. There are lots of citizens who have neither."
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Apr 18, 2024 21:01:57 GMT
I don't understand any of this. I've lived and voted in dozens of different places, and I've always had to show an ID. Are there people who don't have to show ID to vote? I've never seen that happen. I've never really looked, but does it happen? I can't figure it happening, because I've always been told to show ID, and why would anyone get special treatment on that, since there's absolutely no way to know how any person would vote? "The bill is not about needing an I.D. An I.D. (driver's license, student, military, SS card, etc.) is not sufficient. The bill requires documentary proof of citizenship. In almost all cases, that means either birth certificate or passport. There are lots of citizens who have neither." Awwwww, that's too bad, doc. Looks like they can't vote. Glad we got that settled.
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Post by merh on Apr 18, 2024 23:41:40 GMT
I don't understand any of this. I've lived and voted in dozens of different places, and I've always had to show an ID. Are there people who don't have to show ID to vote? I've never seen that happen. I've never really looked, but does it happen? I can't figure it happening, because I've always been told to show ID, and why would anyone get special treatment on that, since there's absolutely no way to know how any person would vote? Here we show ID to register Then when we vote, we just state our address.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 19, 2024 2:04:50 GMT
Do you have a list of ALL the things you can't do in this country without an ID? Many of them Govt related Yeah...but no. Yes, it's completely ridiculous and palpably corrupt to oppose an ID requirement to vote. Only someone hoping to rig elections wants to prevent that. But my objection to this is the establishment of a FEDERAL ID CARD. And every election-securing benefit it offers can be achieved without mandating that. States conduct elections because states have rights...but the fed can mandate ID requirement for state participation in federal elections and that is entirely different from the fed issuing you Soviet-style citizenship "papers".
I'd also prefer to leave it to the States to handle
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 19, 2024 5:47:40 GMT
The bill is about showing proof of citizenship, not I.D. We already have a proof of citizenship in form of a birth certificate, it is a legal document, and it’s worked for 248 years, but that is not enough to satisfy the “Real Americans.” Now they assign babies Social Security cards. I didn’t get one until I started working for wages when I was 16.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 19, 2024 5:49:02 GMT
I don't understand any of this. I've lived and voted in dozens of different places, and I've always had to show an ID. Are there people who don't have to show ID to vote? I've never seen that happen. I've never really looked, but does it happen? I can't figure it happening, because I've always been told to show ID, and why would anyone get special treatment on that, since there's absolutely no way to know how any person would vote? "The bill is not about needing an I.D. An I.D. (driver's license, student, military, SS card, etc.) is not sufficient. The bill requires documentary proof of citizenship. In almost all cases, that means either birth certificate or passport. There are lots of citizens who have neither." Most people can obtain a copy of their birth certificate.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 19, 2024 5:53:02 GMT
That's been my concern for many years, but I've noticed that when you try to talk about it, two things happen. 1) Those on the "Left" prove what compassionate people they are by mocking you and calling you uncomplimentary names. 2) Those on the "Right" pretend like they don't know you. Doesn't it feel a bit like the Number of the Beast? Everyone has a number/mark by which they can do business? I remember during the Cold War years, it was a point of pride Americans didn’t need “papers” to travel freely anywhere in the nation…so long as you were white.
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Post by merh on Apr 19, 2024 9:00:15 GMT
Doesn't it feel a bit like the Number of the Beast? Everyone has a number/mark by which they can do business? I remember during the Cold War years, it was a point of pride Americans didn’t need “papers” to travel freely anywhere in the nation…so long as you were white. Which is why this while thing feels wrong. I cant speak to how people of color were treated here, but it feels like they had less of a problem. One of the things that shocked me.with internet comments on articles was just how swiftly it seemed some went crazy when the news article was about black people. Like extra bile. They are like 13% of the population. Why make a fuss that the criminal was black. Acting like only black people break the law. People are people. Good & bad.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Apr 19, 2024 12:20:37 GMT
It's still a form of ID though. And just because you're older and don't drive, doesn't mean you won't be asked for ID at the doctor's office for example. Nowadays, yes. But people from my folks' generation? Doctor knew them. They didn't need ID. I had a client who had no birth certificate. Birth was at home written in the family Bible. Mom played with a kid in the 30s called "baby" because the parents never named the kid. Again, no birth certificate. Parents figured the kid could pick his own name out later Yes, that is true, but that isn't the case anymore. I know if you want a REAL ID here in Pennsylvania you will need your birth certificate. Again, the process is easier these days than it was back ages ago like you are talking about. But I will say the system must improve, its far from perfect.
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Post by Isapop on Apr 19, 2024 14:16:40 GMT
"The bill is not about needing an I.D. An I.D. (driver's license, student, military, SS card, etc.) is not sufficient. The bill requires documentary proof of citizenship. In almost all cases, that means either birth certificate or passport. There are lots of citizens who have neither." Most people can obtain a copy of their birth certificate. But for literally millions the hurdles are high (sometimes insurmountable). www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/2021-09/Requiring%20Citizenship%20to%20Register%20to%20Vote.pdfSo let's have no illusions about the purpose of such a law (if it ever came up for a vote). As the article says about non-citizen voting, "the practice is already illegal and occurs rarely." The purpose of such a law (in keeping with the GOP's strategy on voter access) is to disproportionately disenfranchise citizens who traditionally tend to vote for Democrats.
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