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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 14:36:32 GMT
The purpose of religion is for sanctimonious pricks using it as divine authority for their positions.
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Post by Based Chad on Nov 18, 2024 14:45:00 GMT
So it IS a conspiracy? A bunch of ancient men came together to decide how best to fool their clan or tribe? Don't you think you are confusing religion and religious institutions? There were a few issues with that movie. Such as hells bells, the 2 Mormon missionary gals were woefully unprepared/uninformed on the issues Mr. Reed brought up. I know my seminary teacher taught us the proper responses. And the sad idea that studying religion for decades led Mr Reed (Read) to the conclusion the one true religion was control. My feeling is if one looks at the major religions, the message is helping one's fellow man. You missed the point of the film. Atheists consider control to be the point of religion, which is why state atheism always leads to tyrannical rule such as France's Reign of Terror or Stalin's infamous "Five Year Plan for Atheism" that lead to atheist militias slaughtering Christians. In fact, there was no greater evil in the 20th century than atheism. Would you rather live like the Mormon girls before they met Reed, or as a woman under the atheist's control? He is unquestionably cruel to them because he has no religious morals. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 14:51:47 GMT
The purpose of religion is for sanctimonious pricks using it as divine authority for their positions. No. That is wrong. The purpose of religion is to teach people morals, ethics and humility. Sanctimonious pricks using it as divine authority for their positions is a misuse, and a corruption of organized religion. Religion, and human religious organizations are two different things. |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 15:11:08 GMT
The purpose of religion is for sanctimonious pricks using it as divine authority for their positions. No. That is wrong. The purpose of religion is to teach people morals, ethics and humility. Sanctimonious pricks using it as divine authority for their positions is a misuse, and a corruption of organized religion. Religion and human religious organizations are two different things. Bullshit. People are good or bad in spite of religion, not because of it. Religion doesn't teach morals or ethics or humility which are realized from a humanistic point of view. It doesn't teach someone to have a conscience or good heart. A very religious person can be a selfish, evil son of a bitch while someone who's never read a page from a bible can be a good person and vice versa. In fact, religion is dangerous because it's vague to the point of suiting anyone at all wishing to interpret it as they see fit to reinforce whatever nutty beliefs they have as gospel. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 15:23:41 GMT
No. That is wrong. The purpose of religion is to teach people morals, ethics and humility. Sanctimonious pricks using it as divine authority for their positions is a misuse, and a corruption of organized religion. Religion and human religious organizations are two different things. Bullshit. People are good or bad in spite of religion, not because of it. Religion doesn't teach morals or ethics or humility which are realized from a humanistic point of view. It doesn't teach someone to have a conscience or good heart. A very religious person can be a selfish, evil son of a bitch while someone who's never read a page from a bible can be a good person and vice versa. In fact, religion is dangerous because it's vague to the point of suiting anyone at all wishing to interpret it as they see fit to reinforce whatever nutty beliefs they have as gospel. Have you ever had religion Dracula? |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 15:31:54 GMT
Bullshit. People are good or bad in spite of religion, not because of it. Religion doesn't teach morals or ethics or humility which are realized from a humanistic point of view. It doesn't teach someone to have a conscience or good heart. A very religious person can be a selfish, evil son of a bitch while someone who's never read a page from a bible can be a good person and vice versa. In fact, religion is dangerous because it's vague to the point of suiting anyone at all wishing to interpret it as they see fit to reinforce whatever nutty beliefs they have as gospel. Have you ever had religion Dracula? Yes, and it doesn't make a difference in whether someone is good or bad. I knew a drug dealer who went to church every Sunday and I have a friend whose career is in helping people with disabilities and she's never given a rat's ass about religion. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 15:36:38 GMT
Have you ever had religion Dracula? Yes, and it doesn't make a difference in whether someone is good or bad. I knew a drug dealer who went to church every Sunday and I have a friend whose career is in helping people with disabilities and she's never given a rat's ass about religion. That doesn't make any sense. Just because anybody has religion, has no bearing on whether or not they are a good person. And for every anecdotal exception you can come up with, there at least 100 examples of the rule, of people who benefitted from having religion. |
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Post by general313 on Nov 18, 2024 15:37:55 GMT
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I was wondering today why God didn't just snap his fingers and civilize the world. Civilization sure was is slow in in coming.
I've really known all along what the problem is though. If our world is going to be civilized, we -- humans, have to civilize it. It is a sort of the price of the apple.
in the mists of ancient history even the people of God were terribly brutal. "Hey Ehud, we're going to slaughter some Egyptian first born, you coming?"
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Good question. It's almost as if God became more civilized only after humans did so first. I think there are several possible answers but the one I lean toward is "for the same reason that Zeus didn't". |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 15:42:45 GMT
Yes, and it doesn't make a difference in whether someone is good or bad. I knew a drug dealer who went to church every Sunday and I have a friend whose career is in helping people with disabilities and she's never given a rat's ass about religion. That doesn't make any sense. Just because anybody has religion, has no bearing on whether or not they are a good person. And for every anecdotal exception you can come up with, there at least 100 examples of the rule, of people who benefitted from having religion. Huh? I've been telling you that religion doesn't make someone good or bad because people are good or bad despite religion, so how does your first line make sense? My point is a religious person can be good or bad just like a nonreligious person can be good or bad. People can benefit from religion just like they can benefit from any hobby in the world. There is no "rule" that religion turns people good or that religion is what's needed to make anyone a good person. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 15:46:10 GMT
That doesn't make any sense. Just because anybody has religion, has no bearing on whether or not they are a good person. And for every anecdotal exception you can come up with, there at least 100 examples of the rule, of people who benefitted from having religion. Huh? I've been telling you that religion doesn't make someone good or bad because people are good or bad despite religion, so how does your first line make sense? My point is a religious person can be good or bad just like a nonreligious person can be good or bad. People can benefit from religion just like they can benefit from any hobby in the world. There is no "rule" that religion turns people good. That is incorrect. Just because anybody goes to school, does not mean they are going to be a good student, and get a good education. But it definitely increases their chances of becoming a good student, and getting a good education. But of course, some people who never go to school can still get a good education elsewhere. Same with religion. Most people who have religion are better for it. And the world is generally a better place because there is religion. |
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2024 15:55:30 GMT
I do not believe in science, fool, but I am pragmatic, which is a great philosophy. All that is required is answering this question: does it work. Science has given us the modern world, while all religion can do is tell us a bunch supernatural myths and call it history. And philosophy ain’t much better. Frankly, I would love to throw a stick of dynamite into Plato’s freaking cave. Did Religion invent Television? Religion works for me. It gave me my morals, ethics and sense of responsibility. And many people get their morals, ethics and sense of responsibility from religion. Fear of God, and desire to get to Heaven is a better motivator for many people, than just trying to do "what is best for me". Without religion, it is easy to rationalize doing anything. But for believers, God sees everything. So no self rationalizing or trying to figure stuff out. With religion it's even easier. As long as you are convinced that something is God's will. |
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Post by movieliker on Nov 18, 2024 16:01:52 GMT
Religion works for me. It gave me my morals, ethics and sense of responsibility. And many people get their morals, ethics and sense of responsibility from religion. Fear of God, and desire to get to Heaven is a better motivator for many people, than just trying to do "what is best for me". Without religion, it is easy to rationalize doing anything. But for believers, God sees everything. So no self rationalizing or trying to figure stuff out. With religion it's even easier. As long as you are convinced that something is God's will. No. That is wrong. God has clear cut rules. You can't just say anything is God's will. |
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 18, 2024 16:06:51 GMT
With religion it's even easier. As long as you are convinced that something is God's will. No. That is wrong. God has clear cut rules. You can't just say anything is God's will. It's been done throughout history. God's rules are sometimes contradictory which is normal given that we don't actually have God's rules. We have rules created by men who claim those were the words of God. That's why both anti slavery types and pro slavery types sometimes used the Bible as their reasoning. |
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Post by general313 on Nov 18, 2024 16:09:40 GMT
With religion it's even easier. As long as you are convinced that something is God's will. No. That is wrong. God has clear cut rules. You can't just say anything is God's will. Well, there is a lot of that actually. Why do you think we have so many branches, from Sunni, Shia, Orthodox Judaism, Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Southern Baptist, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc? |
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Post by Dracula on Nov 18, 2024 16:12:53 GMT
Huh? I've been telling you that religion doesn't make someone good or bad because people are good or bad despite religion, so how does your first line make sense? My point is a religious person can be good or bad just like a nonreligious person can be good or bad. People can benefit from religion just like they can benefit from any hobby in the world. There is no "rule" that religion turns people good. That is incorrect. Just because anybody goes to school, does not mean they are going to be a good student, and get a good education. But it definitely increases their chances of becoming a good student, and getting a good education. But of course, some people who never go to school can still get a good education elsewhere. Same with religion. Most people who have religion are better for it. And the world is generally a better place because there is religion. That's a circular argument and ridiculous analogy. Educated people can be good or bad just like religious people can be good or bad. But people go to school to learn reading, writing, math, science and practical skills they need to get through life or for requirements for a job. Religion isn't required to get through life or for requirements for a job. |
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